| IVOD_ID |
160719 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160719 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-29T09:16:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e3950a5df8d034bb92764ff0351d285066821ab1e45083e34676d0c2ef6928bb5c8fdb204d45c695ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:00:58 - 09:16:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席 有請左院長歡迎左院長備選 |
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你好 院長院長 早 辛苦囉院長 我想要請問一下在這一次關稅的問題上面賴總統提到希望台灣能比照美墨加的協定來和美國談判那就是說從零關稅開始談但是我們也屬於WTO的會員國那其他還有其他重要的相關的進口國家譬如說東南亞國協 日本 韓國也都是WTO的會員國之一 |
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所以院長您知道這個背後代表的意義是什麼嗎如果真的如賴總統所說我們國跟美國譬如說用零關稅開始談起那任何的產品如果是零關稅的話是不是代表其他的會員國也都可以來要求比照辦理所以我想要問說這個目前為止這個是真的行政部門深思熟慮後的一個談判的策略嗎 |
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呃或者是難道是突然一時興起賴總統個人的想法是是這樣嗎院長是謝謝委員的關心從零關稅談起這是我們在談判開始的一個態度 |
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希望當然是比照美加墨這個MCA它雙邊的關係來談起當然我們知道WTO它有一致性但是很多敏感的物品敏感的產品在談判的過程當中還是可以有互相之間院長請問一下現在你們有沒有評估有哪些東西可能會是零關稅 |
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因為這個談判的準備工作一直在進行所以現在還不能確定有沒有預估啦談判的這個程序也一直在進行當中我們容許我們很多的這個談判內容是在談判桌上來做 |
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所以這部分沒有任何的進一步的當然有很多的準備那內部有準備我們先把支持方案做好之後就是備妥談判的方案談判方案內容相當的豐富而完整現在就是放到談判桌上面去談請院長真的要以國內的利益為最佳優先也要好好照顧產業不要讓產業受到衝擊是 |
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再來不知道院長有沒有看過最近新加坡的前總理李顯龍的一個談話一個演講不曉得院長有沒有注意到這個事情新加坡的前總理李顯龍說新加坡過去遇到危機的時候能夠成功度過其中有一個很重要的因素就是新加坡是全球經濟體系跟貿易體系的一部分那這同時也是WTO主要的功能 |
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但是美國正在拆解這個WTO所架構出來的世界貿易體系但是他們說現在他們面對這個危機他們有一個很好的東西叫做CPTPP那CPTPP現在不管是英國加入也好現在CPTPP也在跟歐盟討論怎麼樣的合作所以我是想要問 |
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那我們現在我們的政府有什麼面對像這些國家有這個CPTPP那我們CPTPP的進度到底是什麼有沒有辦法加入那我也看到你們經濟部有說你們因應策略之一就是要積極的加入這些組織包含CPTPP跟IPEF可是 |
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總是覺得這個只是一個口號啊沒有成果啊這個講了很久那請教院長什麼時候可以給我們一個具體的承諾這個進度到哪裡我們可不可以順利加入可不可以給國人一個保證 |
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每個國家因應這個國家不同階段的國家的危機跟情勢都有他解決的方式那因為我們國家在國際政治上面地位的這個特殊我們如果能夠多加入這種多邊的經濟組合對我們是好的所以CPTPP一直是我們在努力的方向院長所以具體的這個進程那奧克蘭原則三個原則他必須有高遵守 |
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他必須要一致性他必須要能夠全體會員能夠共識院長我就想要代表產業界韓國人問我們能不能加入你現在準備的怎麼樣我們最難的就是所有會員的一致性因為當中一定有人有不同的意見所以要達成高度的共識這個是最難所以院長我們就很擔心我願意遵守我們的義務所以我們就很擔心啊 |
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我就提到說因為我們看到新加坡李顯龍前總理講的這個他們有這個東西所以他們有加入CPTPP並且在擴大CPTPP跟全世界的貿易合作除了美國之外所以我們台灣有什麼這就是我們很擔心的地方那未來我們產業會不會因此不斷的外流沒有辦法幫產業打造一個更好的競爭力 |
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所以要拜託院長啊這個真的不能再當口號了要拜託實際的作為剛剛你講的那些我們都知道也知道要去做問題就是沒有結果沒有成果不跟產業界的要求是說如果到國外去設廠全球佈局一定要以台灣為核心用台灣plus台灣加一的方式台灣要更有台灣不能做法這個人家有的這個他已經加入了這樣的組織並且在擴大合作的這個範圍全球合作的範圍 |
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那我們總不能只是口號這樣喊一喊然後也要求他們說你只能夠在台灣所以就要請院長這部分真的要回去好好的去努力去推動要有成果不是口號院長下一個我國經濟命脈當然就分三個部分分別有貿易分別有投資對內投資再來是消費 |
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貿易現在我們遇到很大的衝擊投資其實我也過去也好幾次質詢了我們經濟的部分2022年到2023年的統計外國到台灣投資是衰退的衰退的非常的多衰退的可能有十幾% 20%左右這兩個現在都有狀況我們的消費要怎麼樣促進擴大內需 |
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幫助我們島內的消費所以我這邊是希望是不是可以透過我們之前有說的在野黨在倡議的應該要透過這個普發的方式因為我們面臨到的是一個經濟衰退的狀況可是剛剛講到三大的經濟刺激的部分貿易有問題投資可能也有問題再來我們的消費是不是應該可以透過普發現金的方式也不是我們台灣首創我們是不是應該要透過這個方式來刺激我們的消費 |
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普發現金在我國過去也用過我認為在一個比較成平的時代沒有因應國際很大的巨變的時候用普發現金也許是一個考量的方式但今天我們面對的是一個國際大的經貿情勢的改變我們必須用舉國的力量放在同一個比較可觀的數字上面去做國家的整體開發跟建設 |
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對弱勢族群對產業做極大部分的原力的去協助這樣才能夠達到目的經濟面對的可能是衰退那我們也講了經濟的幾個三大因素所以我認為我要在這裡再誠懇的建議院長回去好好思考我覺得這是擴大內需擴大消費可以刺激我們經濟或者是減緩我們經濟衰退一個很有用也很直觀的方法而且也可以直接普惠到全民希望院長好好參考 |
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再來院長這次的關稅對我們宣布32%雖然現在暫緩但對我們台中產業的衝擊非常的大也可以說是這一波關稅的重災區特別是台中的工具機產業不僅佔全台產值的七成對美國的出口也佔了全國的一半總產值高達18.9億美元 |
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那如果未來不知道結果如何但是我想這個還是很大的衝擊就算是10%也是很大的衝擊所以一旦未來如果談到可能假設還是原本一樣20幾% 30%的話對我們台灣製造的價格優勢也會完全的喪失未來也恐怕要轉移市場或是退出美國市場 |
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那當然我這個部分因為我看了你們的報告比較沒有針對這個整個台中中部做出很細的這個統計但是我就請了台中市政府統計那受影響的除了工具機產業還包括了我們的手工具機這個自行車航太 |
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金屬製品光電面板相關的產業那這些在台中總共有9663家企業總共24萬將近5000人的從業人員所以這些人在背後代表的都是要養家活口的中小企業和這些員工 |
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那一段這個撐不下去可能影響的是這個大概數萬個家庭然後數十萬人所以請教院長依照現在行政院公布的辦法你們在產業的部分從881加到931夠嗎為什麼不應該是直接應該對產業應該要更多吧應該加到1930億吧 |
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而且這一次在金融的支持方案裡面貿易融資利息的減碼措施其中申請資格有說要出口美國石雞叫雞鰭衰退15%但是我想要代表台中的廠商很多企業都在問這所謂雞鰭到底是什麼定義標準是什麼會不會讓他們看得到吃不到想要請教院長這個部分 |
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我們不會對各個行業 各個產業有疏忽總統跟我 我總統到過台中我到過彰化跟剛剛委員所提的這些業者我們都有座談過我們了解他們的需求那我們現在編的930億其實我一直認為台電的1000億挹注那就是對產業的協助能夠讓物價穩定能夠降電費穩定另外您說的這個基期我們已經把它降到10%了不要15% |
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消退只要10%就可以了就就就在補助的範圍而且他的基期計算是去年同期同期或是去年的下半年 |
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謝謝部長 謝謝院長我覺得這個部分應該可以再往下談可以再給我們產業更好的優惠另外你剛剛說台電的部分我想那是另外一個議題我覺得不應該是在這4100億裡面去暗度成倉所有的業主都希望我們不要增加我想那個問題必須從能源政策去檢討不過今天我們在這裡先不展開我要跟著這個金融支持方面來問 |
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我覺得你剛剛說有增加他們的支持但是我看不是啊院長因為對於出口廠商提供的這個貿易融資利息減碼你們行政院在4月4日的記者會上面宣布一般企業最高減收利息額度可達500萬那中小企業最高可達600萬喔好 看一下我們下一頁簡報 |
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這是原本的第一個是初始的方案有五百萬然後中小企業到六百萬可是你們4月24號的方案卻是雙降居然降到了一百萬跟一百二十萬所以我會說這不是正是我們企業需要的那個支持金融支持的時候嗎你把它降到這個一百萬跟一百二十萬怎麼跟原本的初始方案差這麼多我們把可以協助的廠商從五百家好像增加到一萬兩件家 |
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把他的面拓廣了把他的金額降低了所以我剛就說了嘛你加碼的東西是不是沒有用到刀口上嘛你說你加了然後也降低了他的基金利息減免到五百萬這個上限是相當高的利息減免五百萬但是針對這些 |
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重要出口到美國的這些公司啊你這一百萬一百二十萬不就是杯水車薪嗎你把面拉廣可是你並沒有在這裡的預算真的在增加嘛所以我講的根本的問題是不是應該把這部分預算提高那個錢是利息的錢不是他代管的錢當然我知道啊但是我就問嘛為什麼初始方案跟後面差了這麼多那你說支持企業所以我覺得這個部分啊我是不是要拜託院長啊 |
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這是不是應該回去再修改再去調整甚至最根本的問題應該是把這個部分的經費拉高也是很多業界希望我們把照顧的面給他放廣你照顧面放廣可是你的水庫沒有增加你應該要把這個水庫增加一年減免500萬的利息這個是相當高的當初我們設計比較高後來我們把它降到100萬那這不就代表你們當初是設計師亂喊的囉不是 |
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不是嘛 所以我們當初說880億不夠那我們希望這個部分的預算這個水庫是不是可以加碼這4100億我們絕對同意但是應該用在真正的刀口上這也是一個我要提出的地方 |
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應該對於這個產業你說120億本來五百萬六百萬用不夠想要變成是面面俱到產業都要 我也很同意喔中小微企業都需要照顧可是那根本的部分是不是你提高的預算應該把它放在這裡那個 報告委員我們不是只有在利息上面補貼它啦我們有其他的 |
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這個方式來幫助這些企業受困的企業走出一條新的路所以我們從技能上面我們導入他AI教學第二個部長謝謝你那是中長期上面我們沒有沒有那是中長期本來就該做的事我們現在都是在部長你那是中長期本來就該做的事不要混為一談我們現在說他面對衝擊馬上面對到的問題就是這個部分 |
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那你原本自己也提出了有五百萬 六百萬的方案結果怎麼到後來又自己縮水了呢所以這是一件很奇怪的事你覺得沒辦法雨露均沾是不是最根本就是把這個預算提高不是這樣子喔 報告委員我們現在那個部分是說因為他第二天以後我的訴求很簡單 就是這個部分事實上現在沒有碰到那麼大的問題所以我們就是把這些本來短期九十天沒有豁免的時候所提出來的這個方案 |
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又再做了一些調整你講的那些我都認同什麼AI導入產業轉型產業升級這本來就該做這也是中長期的方案我講的就是這個現在直接面臨到的這個金融的部分的支持那最後我就是要告訴我們的院長請你們回去拜託好好跟你們的總統跟賴總統講一下跟你們的黨主席講一下好好的顧民生好好的拼經濟好好的顧產業好不好不要一直 |
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好谢谢廖尔伟乡委员的质询谢谢行政总院长还有经济部的备询谢谢接下来我们请严宽恒委员质询李燕秀文请准备 |