| IVOD_ID |
160689 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160689 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-25T11:38:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-25T11:54:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b161887eae65c392ad6eb6fa42c1fa07fbec180d4fb51a06417404e40f0844e3263c0903a4778e8e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:31 - 11:54:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席有請行政院卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長備詢各位好院長好請問昨天你有安心睡嗎沒有是知道這個90天的這個禁令這個暫停的說沒有就沒有是不是這個原因 |
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看起來您還不知道這個消息這樣子不安心稅也是對的為什麼呢90天的暫停說沒就沒現在川普已經說接下來兩三週就會有結果所以我想這個不管你是知不知道希望您把重心應該要放在這個關稅的談判上面不要搞這個大脫度大成功補貼走得比談判還前面 |
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昨天行政院正式公布因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性的特別條例的草案整體預算規模達到4100億新台幣回顧您4月4號院長召開因應美國關稅的相關方案的記者會當時你向全國人民道歉說你來晚了但是院長的道歉有言在耳 |
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結果行政團隊不僅是對美國關稅應對不及現在連談判都還沒有實際結果就把這個補貼的規模要解壓縮從880億變成4100億20天膨脹5倍特別預算變成大偷渡大成功我理解院長您是用心良苦啦團隊也是用心良苦但是這樣的補貼需不需要合法合規 |
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政府的合法合規 政府任何政策又凡牽動到這個預算當然要經過合法的程序合法合規嘛 對不對但是根據預算法第83條我想請教您這個特別條例到底重點是經濟 社會 還是國土安全還是任性啊因應國際情勢強化經濟 社會及國土安全任性到底是經濟還是國土安全 |
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都一樣在這個範圍裡面沒關係啦我們來看根據預算法第83條左列情勢之一的時候行政院得於年度總預算外提出特別預算但是實際上我們可以看到主計總處顯示的資料可以看到歷年來一共有14項特別預算每一項特別預算都有一個明確的理由 |
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像您卓內閣今天這樣把兩件事情換為一談以單一的特別條例把全部的東西混在一起要人民掏出4100億的政府前所未見等於是說甚至還把我們扣掉了這一千億的台電不如還給他加回去 |
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童子賢先生就已經講了啊如果我們運用核能 核率不偏廢我們可以省下N個三千億為什麼不做呢 請問院長美國關稅與國土安全韌性有什麼關係啊這一次四千億裡面有高達一千五百億是要強化國土安全韌性 佔37%我們理解 但是老實說有很多內容不夠清楚 |
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應該要更具體啊你不能強行打包啊你應該要有一個特定的標的嘛接下來會不會又是各種發包各種委外各種包案我們一定嚴格監督委員很遺憾你沒有跟我們一起去參加產業的傾聽之旅就會聽到產業界對我們的需求有非常的高國土安全的需求嗎 |
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我剛剛問的是關稅跟國土安全有什麼關係啊我說第一部分 你說我們把這個規模放大你打包嘛 你到底是經濟還是國土安全嘛關稅跟國土安全有什麼關係國土安全它包括到海委會很多陳情監修的一個工作我們未來要打擊棋產地 打擊違規轉運都需要江峽這樣打擊棋產地是國土安全 沒有關係啊 |
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事實上 卓院長您穿越時空回來打臉你自己這是您自己送出的施政報告裡面完全沒有出現國土安全的概念幾乎連字都沒有 有啦有一次啦 128頁裡面是什麼是說法務部調查局出訪到美國去參觀人家的國土安全調查署 |
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跟我們的國土安全也沒有直接的關聯啊你自己打臉自己你的這個施政報告是不是僅供參考啊你現在突然來一個國土安全4100億施政報告沒有你現在的施政方針怎麼回事 |
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特別條例就是在我們這個是國家遇到重大變化的時候我們必須要提出的沒關係啦你們就想到什麼就放什麼進去我們都理解啦好 你講特別條例我們來看特別條例第三條你說要提升支撐安全的作業環境強化設備 資源 韌性 |
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本席對於國家的資通安全非常重視所以本席很早就提出資通安全管理法的修正草案現在正在交通委員會裡面審查請問院長知道資通安全管理法的主管機關是誰應該是書發部吧 |
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事實上現在根本還沒修正還是行政院 但沒關係 你說是速發部嘛 院長請問這張行政院的簡報 你的特別條例 資通安全的部分 告訴我們裡面誰能執掌資通安全的業務 誰 看一下 |
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國安部裡面也有自動安全的業務啊每個部份裡面都有自動安全的必要剛剛是一開始的施政報告打臉你自己現在是一分鐘前的你自己打臉你自己你不是說自動安全是速發部的業務嗎為什麼裡面沒有速發部 |
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為什麼裡面沒有速發部你沒有一個主管自動安全的主管機關在這裡你特別條例的自動安全是不是幹假的回答我為什麼為什麼沒有速發部所以速發部不需要在裡面嗎那自動安全管理法要不要不要是速發部啊 |
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未來的這個特別預算的經費在裡面好啦 要不要改啊 要不要改進書發部是不是忘記了還是你們排擠他沒有沒有 他可以做任何的協助我本來還想說如果你知道書發部漏裂了我這一張就不用拿出來我現在就拿出來事實上這樣的態度根本就是要向人民開空頭支票空白支票啦理由根本不清不楚連資通安全的主管機關的部會在這裡面看起來都完全搞不清楚 |
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是不是乾脆沙尿磷丸混在一起啊通通摻在一起什麼都混在一起4100億要不要再多寫幾個專題啊要不要再多加幾個關鍵字啊 |
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要不要再回應一下 數碼度應不應該放在裡面如果特別條例經過大院通過之後未來提出的特別預算就會清清楚楚的詳列各個內容你如果計劃內容就沒有寫清楚我們要怎麼通過嘛特別條例都是這樣子 但歷年的特別條例都是如此委員可以回頭去看一看我想要提醒啦 特別預算不能用這種方式來過啦再來 我們談到對美國之間的關稅談判 |
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我幫院長整理了一下您近期在媒體上提到跟台美談判關係有關的幾個組織在這個2024年的7月你們說你們搞了一個行政院經貿談判經濟外交工作小組 |
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再來呢你們2024年11月又成立台美經貿工作小組再來2016年行政院經貿談判辦公室結果這是你們行政院列出來的所有機關單位只有 |
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行政院經貿談判辦公室在上面前面兩個都沒有這是怎麼樣 黑機關嗎我特別查詢完全就是沒有我們對美國經貿談判的事務三個機關裡竟然有兩個是黑機關到底誰負責什麼 |
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是想到了又再新成立一個嗎白宮會不會搞不清楚啊如果是國外的友邦想要來了解到底是誰主導 要找誰談 會不會搞不清楚院長你要不要簡易的回覆一下我們非常清楚那為什麼沒有上網呢這是地下機關嗎但是行政院召開經濟發展委員會這是全世界都知的 |
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我們在裡面設置了經濟工作小組這是裡面的任務編組請問新聞重要 還是行政院官網重要行政院官網 沒關係我們任務編組 它沒有牽動到任何的人事經費組所以剛剛提到那兩個辦公室都不需要放上去不需要讓外國知道到底誰在談沒有辦公室 它是工作小組哪有辦公室 |
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那單位有沒有放在官網嘛我就說這兩個工作小組有沒有放在官網任務編組那你如果沒有寫清楚別人要怎麼知道呢事實上啊 我想如果我們沒有清楚透明的資訊別人會搞不清楚狀況所以難怪現在有這種狀況嘛你看喔 我先跟院長說以免你把他列三個列成一樣才不清楚我就先問嘛 我就先問行政院官網有沒有這兩個工作小組 |
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有沒有明確列出來談判的單位是誰我們每次經濟發展委員會通過之後都會向外發布正式的新聞稿你是要讓外國人來看新聞稿正式發布的新聞跟行政院的態度那你官網可以測一測本席要在此提醒您 |
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您勉勵全國民眾吃苦當吃補您的月薪高達40萬手握三個高級文官組成的各種組織部會你們是不是吃補當吃苦啊要告訴全國上下美國對台課徵32%你們嚇到昏倒但是對美談判的期貨不清不楚我告訴你結果啦 |
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所以你的月薪沒有四十萬是不是我跟譚院長都沒有到四十萬你沒有到四十萬 那你月薪是多少這個月薪都有出現的三十多多少嘛啦 |
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不能講嗎 這尋求空開了吧又有黑習慣 還有黑薪水喔你說我月薪多少 你說不是四十萬 我們查就是四十萬嘛每個月看的都是二十幾萬不到三十萬我們誤會了是不是 如果我誤會你的薪水 我在此道歉好不好但是不要吃補當吃苦啦我想要跟您提的是 我們之前看到經濟部次長 |
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溝通變情收本來說要去白宮談判變成用視訊本來說我們是前五名接下來榜外都沒有進去還要跟我們搞大脫度大成功我想直接請問院長我們接下來GDP如果下降 |
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關稅又談不下來我想請問院長如果我們關稅不能談到比日本還要韓國還要低的話你願不願意負起政治責任辭職下台我現在的工作就是盡量把談判的內容備好對我們談判團隊院不願意負責吧讓他們士氣很高而不是用這樣來來對他們的事情做打擊能夠視訊會議就已經是一個開始了那好 下一次什麼時候我現在當然不能告訴你 |
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院長你知道日本已經公開了5月1號就有下一次的談判為什麼別人就可以講你不能講我就是應該在我可以告訴你的時候才能告訴你沒關係啊 全國民眾都看到啦這是我們院長對談判的態度啦4100億的撥補馬上要提出來啦沒關係我們來幫你準備產業還是要復甦請教院長 |
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是不是這種不清不楚讓更多的人都替你著急沒關係我們來談一下我們來談一下我們的這個AI我想請教院長接下來我們的AI是不是依舊是算力及國力 |
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我們會希望在24年內增加國家的算力好280匹很好但您知道DeepSeek R1之所以這個轟動全球就是因為它不只靠算力它還靠軟體跟演算法我想請教部長你知不知道台灣的國家級大語言模型台德預算一年是多少錢它現在還在發展的雛形當中多少錢嘛你知不知道 |
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不知道嘛 兩億多啦你4100億隨便就花出去了我們的大魚人模型兩億多 你覺得這樣夠嗎沒關係 我告訴你啦事實上 Google前執行長Eric Schmidt就說台灣是個令人驚豔的國家但他們軟體能力很糟糕 |
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實際上接下來我們絕對要發展我們的軟實力啦算力很重要 但軟實力也不能偏廢4100億裡面我希望要有軟實力在裡頭希望部長不要只想得到硬的東西我們沒有軟體產業就是我們的硬商啦 |
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同時我要提醒院長我們軟體服務如果輸出到美國只會被課徵加值營業稅而且大部分的州都是0%喔所以我們其實是可以賣很多東西過去去避開關稅的狀況而且美國其實賣了很多數位的服務到台灣我們有很多人買了這個Y服務啊N服務啊A服務啊M的廣告啊 對不對 |
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這些我鼓勵院長把它算進去我們的這個順利差我們會變得很有談判的利基我們現在輸美的產品76%一定是零關稅美國輸往台灣有62%也是零關稅好 他現在說我們買他太少東西啦我是鼓勵院長去計算我們買了美國多少的軟體服務這樣理解嗎 可以嗎 |
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我們一直認為有一個資料中心訓練更多的人員是必要的一個月內可不可以提出報告來 |
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提出國家層級AI訓練資料庫的報告包含經濟部的這個制裁局是不是這個法規鬆綁相關的可不可以一個月內提出報告好那個跟委員報告那委員的這要好謝謝葛如君委員指詢謝謝卓院長經濟部備詢謝謝 |