| IVOD_ID |
160687 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160687 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-25T11:06:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-25T11:22:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b161887eae65c3928dae13ec4b92dad7fbec180d4fb51a06734e47bd71ec006302cda474afd28a485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:14 - 11:22:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝院長麻煩卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
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那一開始我先我剛才聽到一個蠻有意思的題目我們剛才聽到我們的委員同事黃國昌委員提到國發基金經濟部好多個個案不能包庇要把它查清楚本席是贊成我相信行政院的態度經濟部的態度應該都一樣任何個案有疑慮我們都應該查清楚讓國人安心那在查清楚之前勿枉勿縱我覺得這是一個對的態度 |
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但是同一個人同一群人卻無視國民黨跨縣市黨部的基層黨工過世很多年過世很多年將近兩千個人還能親自簽名偽造文書罷免連署那個違法事證這麼清楚檢調司法我不曉得該不該辦然後同樣這一群人 |
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能夠看到這些參與偽造的國民黨的基層黨工就我知道至少有兩個公開都已經坦承代簽偽造所以這樣的正義好像會轉彎這樣子的包庇有兩套有兩種我不知道院長剛才聽到有什麼感受 |
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委員學問到個案坦白說每個個案不是那麼了解尤其他已經在訴訟的細數當中我們當然尊重司法但是我日前說過國人依照憲法行使參政權選舉罷免創制復決必須合法 |
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司法機關做各種形式的調查必須守法必須依法行政人民參與陳情抗議集會遊行必須守法這是基本的條件我覺得不只是創制復決 |
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所有的事情都該守法就是一個法律的規範所以我蠻有意思的我剛才看到我不曉得我們國發基金這些個案因為我們在立法院其實有些偵辦中的個案我過去認識的資深委員都告訴我們有一些正在偵辦中的個案有一些所謂的涉及事務國會議員是不應該去問這些東西的但對某些案子的監督我覺得贊成不能包庇都要查清楚 |
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可是卻能夠包庇死亡連署卻能夠包庇偽造文書我只能說正義會轉彎然後包庇有兩種我還是回到我們的正題 |
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我請教院長跟我們的經濟部長有一個跟我們地方相關的重要的個案沙崙有一個健康園區佔地84.25公頃從王美花擔任經濟部長由台南市政府大家一起來推動都已經把台塘的土地當地歸人私人地主的土地該架構的架構該參與這個計畫都談完了就等最後了結果在 |
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今年3月28號國科會召開一個南科院南科第四期要放在我們沙崙那裡那是南邊在交大南邊那邊500公頃突然間就把這一個 |
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沙崙健康園區它連動著我們現在另外一個大的案子也就是成大醫院沙崙院區那個大案子因為那邊是負責醫療這個健康園區是負責醫療的不管是它的產業啦生物科技等等你們突然間把它停止抱邊地方人心惶惶因為這對地方的發展已經籌備那麼久了我很擔心政府一停 |
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不知道要等到幾年幾月所以是不是請教院長這個停下來的原因是什麼下一步該怎麼走 |
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來經濟部請說明跟我們報告那確實在3月28號國科會開的那個會議上面那台南市政府的代表他有表示說他是目前是全力來配合整個國科會在推動這個沙崙生態科學園區所以他們打算停止抱邊這個理由是什麼那個動作我知道理由是什麼那我猜想他可能就是說因為整個科學園區的 |
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這兩個不相干啊南科的第四期 南科的那個生態園區是在陽明交大那個歸雲十三路的南邊500公頃啊這個是北側在86號東西快速道路都已經走到最後一步了快五年了耶 |
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走到最後一步快要開花結果等待進來的醫療生物科技的業者以及成大醫院現在已經在今年會取得建造開始要興建一個是醫療一個是產業搭配AI原來設計是這樣子那我的意思是說這個園區現在停沒有人知道下一步要幹嘛 |
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環坪都已經走到環坪現在把那個程序也停下來這不能這樣做我現在不太理解這一塊必須要讓地方知道說好我要納入南科的在這邊的生態園區的開發那什麼時候土地可以運用什麼時候 否則這個土地呢管制在那裡配合大健康園區這要五天的時間啊 |
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你現在一句話就停下來 沒有交代 沒有未來 也不知道時程好 院長 這個事情其實地方議論紛紛我們必須在這邊問個清楚喔 |
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我們是不是一同來了解一下國科會是不是考慮到它有一些環保的問題或草銷的生息地等等那個是國科會自己要去負責我是認為說應該把我們可用的土地再做比較精細的一個盤點說的是可以把它擴大到什麼範圍大健康園區是從蔡英文總統第一任砂輪綠能科學籌備處開始然後呢走了這麼多年 |
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所有的程序也都走完了已經在最後環評接下來就是準備基礎建設然後廠商進駐好不容易走到這裡面積也不大不到90公頃 |
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然後呢它裡面的不管是樹植栽的維持跟相關的團體生態保護團體的溝通都在進行當中那一塊不管要做南科的生態園區或者要做大健康園區這兩個位置不一樣我覺得對生態的尊重都要一樣那是都要做的事情可是這個事情已經進行了這麼長的時間私地主該被徵收也徵收了你現在突然間停下來 |
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第一個對已經徵收土地的人情何以堪對於有些私地主面積比較大的參與這個計畫的人他不知道下一步該怎麼辦他這個現況已經被框在那裡那麼久也就是說完全沒膏帶 |
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完全沒有交代 完全沒有透明度的東西就把一個計劃走在那邊停下來然後成大醫院沒有停欸佔地15公頃的成大醫院沙崙園區繼續要蓋而當時這個醫院是跟這個大江岸園區本來要蓋在一起後來我們經過討論認為他擔心有新的疫情啊將來萬一醫院有疫情整個園區就不能上班所以把它拆在這一個我們高鐵後站的南側跟北側 |
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所以這兩個計畫是一起走的那成大醫院沙崙園區我們努力那麼多年占它的坪數三萬八千坪建造也要拿到開始要動工了現在跟它附屬的產業那邊有成大醫學院那邊有陽明交大也有醫學院也有光電是這個園區規劃其實已經將近十年密集的處理從王美花部長到現在已經是四年最後了這要有經濟啊你用來停下來 |
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那接下來該怎麼辦?好,報告委員我們是請經濟部向國科會跟台南市政府了解原因是何在,然後我們再來想出解決的方法怎麼樣?我們在當地跟當地的居民努力那麼久,來大家做個泡麵,你要停,一句話都不說。 |
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本席的選區台南市政府預計要提出這樣的方式他已經暴停了還沒有到最後我們請經濟部來 角色不能這樣做你這樣做啟人一逗以外真的對居民的期待我可以等十年等一條捷運要凍土前你把這條捷運路線停下來說另有更好規劃你覺得居民會怎麼樣類似的情形所以這個 |
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治國或者是一個城市不能這樣處理事情所以這一點我希望經濟部或者國科會要完整因為國科會我問過了國科會計畫沒有這一塊啊你沒有這一塊你把這一塊停下來是要做什麼就是現在我下一個要請教也請院長注意就是說一個地方的產業發展要共榮科學園區很好創造就業機會不錯 |
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但是周邊的舊部落原來有人的地方有居民的地方應該跟著發展可是我們常常產業園區、工業園區發展是比方說台湯的土地我們如果在種柑子沒人的地方來發展 |
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沒有思考到發展帶動起來它周邊的舊部落的生活區域怎麼跟著發展所以變成自然溢出如果沒有在規劃新市鎮的範圍內那都死掉了那對國家也不好你沒有規劃嘛所以像這個沙崙的生態科學園區呢 |
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這個在今年其實已經有公告那接下來大家進行環評當地確實有一些生態我們必須concern的但我也提醒裡面的樹齁很多樹木都是當年台塘的契約林不是天然的東西進去的期望簽約好像就十年二十年就是要把它轉成轉成經濟使用 |
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那現在因為種了相當時日大家認為說這個樹要留在那裡我們也尊重有一個更好共存共榮的方式那我現在講的是這個生態園區呢看起來速度要走得蠻快的500公頃你不管AMD不管台積電或者相關的重要業者要進駐這個區域然後草蕭呢在二人溪沿岸的蜜食我的夢想是有一天園區的工程師可以帶著妻子孩子在那邊欣賞草蕭的飛翔蜜食 |
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他不是互相矛盾的是可以溝通的但我現在要提醒行政院經濟部跟國科會這個園區放在那裡那事實上呢我已經開過三次的會議我希望地方成為中央施政的助手大家都期待更好而不是互相在那邊漢格在我們召開相關的會議的時候呢有提出一個概念有一個做法叫做 |
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周邊的聚落可以以生活支援型的都市計畫的概念也就是我們國科會我們行政院這邊放了500公頃的一個科學園區他不管要做AI做半導體都很好 |
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那周邊的舊部落應該成為他的生活資源的區域,或者小型的產業鏈的小型的工業區,而不是都去開發新的地方,然後古柏龍一牆之隔,人家一直在發電,我這裡遊玩是三合院,這樣子不好。 |
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所以我們在沙崙智慧綠營科學城在蔡英文政府第一任的時候因為還沒有整個起來所以周邊不管是武東 大唐 沙崙 中州或者是觀廟的吳甲 或者是歸仁的辣嘎歸南 |
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這個擴棟塞周邊這些聚落都還可以忍受我這邊還沒有跟上來現在越來越蓬勃發展大樓一間一間在起的時候請行政院跟我們內政部我們國土管理署還有我們相關的部會它周邊資源型的生活機能資源型的產業鏈應該把這個都市計畫納入這個區域一併考量讓在地的居民 |
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在那邊住了13代到17代的傳統的居民他可以跟著這個產業園區跟著這個科學園區一起往前發展這時候行政院在地方的執政施政會得到地方民眾期待你比較快的我來幫你忙而不是你做你的我貴我的我們之前的國土計畫法把那邊都還劃在農業區喔就在這個所謂的生態科學園區啦智慧綠能科學城周邊通通劃成農業區 |
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所以這個是不對的我這邊一定要提醒院長這個事情是不是可以請這個院長允諾因為這跨部會是不是這個事情可以納入重點來考量那個是一個非常重要的產業園區發展的一個核心區域 |
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謝謝委員這樣的建議那未來經濟部在產業園區或是國科會的科學園區我們都應該把周遭的環境盡量融合在一起讓它成為一個生活機能區的共同生活圈那我可以要求這樣子相關的進度要update給我們就我們要知道 |
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地方要透明 讓大家知道說 喔 教學很苦要來啊像剛才講的 大健康園區另有重用 重用是什麼 什麼時候就會是就你清楚 大家了解 就會跟著走不清楚 就會亂猜疑所以這些資訊 能不能請相關部會 |
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至少有新的進度讓我們知道讓地方知道一下這裡應該做得到我們現在推出的六大產業生活區也是往這個方向在講他不只是一個產業而已他把文化生活整個都納進來原來的原來的有的地方特色再加上我是很感謝卓院長你就認不到一個月26天你第一個 |
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去看的地點就是我剛才講的大健康園區旁邊這裡當時的簡報還有大健康園區你就知道地方對你的來臨對你就任之後的期待所以這個變化沒有透明的資訊這個真的不好那我最後請教院長 |
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你提出說跟美國的談判是以BTA的精神事實上在2023年我們的鄧振中我們其實台美21世紀貿易倡議就是一個簡化版的BTA當時2023年1月18號就已經提到拼年底簽台美BTA後來年底簽了叫做第一階段 |
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貿易倡議的協議也被視為某一種的BTA後來2024年要進行所謂相關第二階段的服務啦勞務啦等等所以你提出以BTA精神來進行這是一個基礎因為時間關係 |
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現在在議場二樓旁邊來自台中 |