| IVOD_ID |
160672 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160672 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T12:41:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T12:50:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e5e835876b2dcac5459742596ee20a55b8840241ee498f319a048316b8811dac4f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
盧縣一 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:41:03 - 12:50:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部次長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、行政院食品安全辦公室主任針對「美豬、美牛進口零關稅且如何保障國人食品安全及農民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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主席有請我們經貿談判辦公室副總裁副談判代表代表好我看了4月11號有沒有視訊會議那我找相關資料都看不到說到底談判了什麼有沒有好消息有沒有壞消息告訴大家 |
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謝謝委員那不過因為我們台美談判基本上有這些互信的基礎那就是說這談判過程的有一些資訊因為還沒有到一個比較穩定的階段所以這個都還在保密的狀態好那謝謝那我們有請經濟部江次長 |
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市長好 剛剛看到我們4月21號有公布申請辦法關於出口供應鏈的880億後來又追加到930億我想知道說關於930億這個部分會到哪裡去 |
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除了这个700个180亿刚才行政院院会有做讨论所以除了经济部原先的这个410亿以外我们还有50亿会来协助这个我们相关的厂商做设备的太阳刚看到就是说如果说本来是单月营收受影响是大概是15%以后才有申请资格吗 |
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現在放寬到說一年內或是半年的營收可能影響到10%的時候也可以申請那我是覺得說以後有沒有更好的一些措施 |
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這些話因為這些也是我們過去一直跟產業界在做溝通然後做了很多的產業之旅從院長副院長一直到部長都有這是也是去反映業者的他的需求所以我們才會把相關的這個標準給放寬很希望說881能夠透明 |
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而不是又去做了一些我們覺得不適合的事情那我是覺得說這一步這邊能夠把這些880億或是後來的930億能夠很清楚的讓民眾知道說這個錢到哪裡去了謝謝 那有請外交部下頁市長 |
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市長嗎我是貝雷斯副市長那我想說你一直把美國當作非常非常好的朋友可是我覺得他們對我們這樣子你覺得會不會難過啊 |
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我們的台美關係其實是它有延續性的啦那這個不管是哪一個政黨過去這雙邊關係在過去10年來一直是有可能是不是我們賺他們的錢太多我看一下2017年的時候我們那時候的順差大概就是我們賺了他們大概84億美金那現在已經是649億美金也就是說多了7倍所以我們就被他們點名下一頁 |
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他說我們是30-15喔30喔這個字眼如果就外交字眼來講是不是很難聽啊如果是佔了第六名那你覺得說他有攻擊性的言語的時候外交部有沒有做一些就是對我們國格的一些辯護啊 |
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包委員這個其實主要是說他那基本上是依據這個貿易的貿易量貿易逆差那其實台灣過去去年的貿易逆差是特別高是因為美國他也是他的推動到高科技AI產業造成 |
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我們一直把他當做很好的朋友可是他們用的字眼或什麼其實我們還是可以適當的反擊因為覺得說對我們作為一個小國可是是經濟大國我們非常驕傲我們非常對我們的這些經濟成就很像是我們國人的榮耀可是我們被放上去的時候他說dirty所以我覺得這個dirty的部分我覺得事實要做回應謝謝我請衛福部長下一位 |
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其實我們的這些跟美國大部分都是跟資訊相關然後跟醫療比較沒有大的關係不過我剛看了就是我們在就是今天的主題就是牛肉跟豬肉的部分剛才也知道說其實豬肉很像沒有這樣很大的篇幅大概也不到10%那我想說再下一頁 |
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我們一直在想說這個我們跟美國在談判這些我們的農產品的時候是不是這些我們的疑慮啊是不是都應該被保證不會改變希望部長這邊看看這幾個條件比如說基改食材啊農產品只要發芽了就要全部退貨可是他覺得這個應該要更改或者說我們的產地標示這個部分還有他一直在指引我們的這個我們的 |
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檢驗紙太嚴格了 這個部分能不能一一回答一下好 師父我先請署長回答 再來補充好了就關於Codex參與標準 什麼更為放寬這個議題因為檢驗的這個部分是議題適用 是非常非常的精準的 |
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所以檢驗的開發的時候他用的是他希望我們用WHO的標準嗎檢驗的開發呢其實在國內的食藥署的研檢組裡面也做完整的開發開發的過程中請問推估跟推算的過程呢是可以能夠做國際接軌所以我們有最重要的國際接軌比如說那個豬腎的部分說40ppm或ppp他希望能夠改成90就是將近一倍這個部分你覺得怎麼辦在當初 |
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在朱盛的時候訂了40ppb的過程中其實做了非常充分的討論討論過程中其實強調的一點是我們國人的飲食設施上面的特殊性因此有這樣子的折衝之下我們跟國際上標準是有不一樣的 |
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那我們其實會計算出相關的一些設施的安全的範圍我們每日的設施範圍是可以應該不會放寬吧我們會計算出那個精確所有的在標準是訂定的我們會以國際標準跟科學關係希望我們能夠更改我們的實驗的方法他甚至他的建議裡面就是在貿易障礙的報告書裡面他也希望說我們的實驗室的標準應該要跟他們一樣 |
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應該說那個方法齁其實方法不同其實結果是一致的啦所以並不是說因為方法改了之後所以你要去說服美國說我們的方法是一樣的是一致的 這個一致的是如果讓他精準用A B方法其實都可以接受產地標示的部分呢 |
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目前我們產地對豬肉來說明的話我們對國內任何的豬的來源其實是不管國內國外都是一體適用的做我們的一體的標示他的貿易障礙報告書裡面他就一再的在強調這個字就是說我們的leveling他覺得說台灣不應該有這個那你在談判的時候你要怎麼去說服他呢 |
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我們針對這個議題裡面我們並不是針對美國的產品有這樣的歧視我們強調的是歧視一再都是我們國內是一體私用的你要說服他啊是不是對我們現在就好像我想要說服一下這個委員一樣我們是一體私用國內國外所有的豬肉的來源我們都會標示這個其實沒有歧視的意思我跳到最後一頁 |
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那我想請問部長就是關於他就說他那個貿易災害的部分報告是最後一頁最後一頁 |
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他藥品的部分他說我們缺乏透明度跟可預測性不過他說因為經過他們的努力看了這個第一段的告訴第二行他說2024年的1月其實因為他們的努力我們健保署有縮短了他的Pricing Approval Timeline也就是說 |
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他們有努力所以我們台灣這邊就把申請的核可時間縮短那我的意思就是說他一再的要求我們就會達到他們要的目的嗎 |
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我想不是這樣子我們那個任何的一個要求我們都會站在說它的合理性但最重要就是能不能說這樣的一個要求對我們國人的健康是一件好的事情關於醫療器材的部分部長還有他對那個自費的那個一些醫療器材他希望能夠放寬那你怎麼說你怎麼想 |
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我們建智慧平台讓程序審查他希望有一個智慧代碼可是我們這個健保署是幫我們來說明我們已經建了一個智慧平台讓相關的廠商申請他民眾查詢資料的時候都能夠更資訊公開透明也方便行政審查所以我們要做一個保管的動作是正在做了對好謝謝好謝謝謝謝盧縣議委 |