| IVOD_ID |
160631 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160631 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T10:45:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T10:54:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e5c075e6d3dbc556fcc89945c4c3ca21e1c2be5dfb0591b1bf3c75c7788f2af55f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:41 - 10:54:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
(4月23日及24日二天一次會)） |
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請吳麗華委員諮詢那在吳佩奕委員諮詢之後我們休息五分鐘謝謝主席 有請主委好 有請陳主委 |
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主委好委員好在上個月3月31號那天呢在我們的議場藍白兩黨他們利用人數的優勢直接把核官法的修法版本就送出委員會當時是不敢記名表決這個不敢記名表決就是代表心虛不敢對未來的歷史來做一個責任的交代對吧 主委 |
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就是不敢記名我們一般不太批評立法會議員 |
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那就是這樣嘛沒有什麼理由不敢記名嘛但是呢民眾黨很多的立委提到上個星期還提出了一個核三恢復運轉的一個公投 進夫二讀他的主文是寫說您是否同意第三核能發電廠經過 |
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整體安全評估後恢復繼續運轉那我就要來問一下主委核廢料存放議題算不算整體安全評估算的那請問核廢料問題解決了嗎 |
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現在是核廢料分高階跟低階啦是啊這方面問題我想請我們主持人好沒有關係因為今天時間只有六分鐘我想高放核廢料有沒有法源目前國內有沒有法源相關的安全管理規定核安會都已經訂好了那目前經濟部設置專案辦公室他們準備訂選址條例那有沒有法源高放核廢料 |
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高放的核廢料我們是依照放射性物料管理法在做安全管制就沒有嘛沒有法源就什麼都做不了嗎那低放的核廢料有法源因為之前我們有做一個所謂的長指設置條例 |
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那這個條例寫出來以後呢 也很尷尬為什麼 大家都很清楚啊他有選址 然後再公投當時的選址選出了呢台東達仁鄉跟金門的烏丘但是不了了之沒有縣市政府願意也沒有辦出所謂的公投完全就不了了之 嘎然而止 對吧 |
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經濟部在辦理這個公投的作業過程中其實有徵詢地方的就沒有人願意嘛目前就是 現況就是這樣現況就是這樣嘛所以我才要說啊核廢料的問題都沒有辦法解決不管低階 不管高放那我不太曉得說整體的安全評估到底是還要談什麼 |
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連最低層的我們要處理核廢料的問題都還解決不了那黃論何安那談到何安齁我其實要講我自己有一個親身經歷我在1999年921地震那一年我剛好服務的單位位在潮州斷層帶它是屏東縣北邊的一個學校但是921地震 |
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竟然影響到我們的學校所有的教室 地板 籠體 軍列變成一個圍籠所以當時呢 還沒有遷校的概念也不得不就蓋了一個防震係數8.3的一個防震校園就原址重建 |
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這麼遠921地震在南投造成很大的一個破壞但是位在屏東的我們就因為位在潮州斷層帶我們也被波及到 |
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那我在想 大家都知道 河山場它就是位在恆春斷層帶我當時的學校還位在潮州斷層帶 離600公尺喔我們的河山場離恆春斷層帶幾公尺 主委還有差1.1公里1.1公里 我當時學校是600而且921地震那麼遠 |
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那恆春斷層帶 過去有沒有發生過大地震很久以前有喔應該是 都會有啦 都會納入屏幕那請問一下 我們的核電廠能夠承受任何一次的風險嗎 |
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跟委員報告,在福島事故之後,河岸會有要求台電公司就參照美國的做法然後進行河一二三場場址的一些地震危害跟耐震補強那目前已經針對電廠的安全停機系統跟燃料的冷卻用過燃料池的結構進行安全評估跟補強 |
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那結果如何 非常安全目前都可以符合安全的要求可以承受多少核三廠按照美國的做法 程序做下來可以達到1.384G所以你的意思是說 你有信心來接受核三恢復運轉 |
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耐震補強跟繼續運轉是另外一件事情來看因為只要店長在運轉就是要確保他安全我現在要講的是說其實在地方確實有一些聲音那這些聲音是怎麼創造出來的我不得而知但是他們是直指未來沒有回饋金 |
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所以這個部分 5月17號停止運轉它其實還有25年的執行廚藝工作這25年 請教一下有沒有核廢料存放回饋金 主委有沒有 有嘛地方不知道啊 有人危言聳聽啊 |
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這廚藝執行期間的25年他們放的是高放還是低放報告委員經濟部的後端基金委員會裡面有訂定相關規定高低放的那個所以高低放都放在那邊嘛對不對所以繼續執行核廢料存放回饋金我覺得我講這些是因為民眾都搞不清楚 |
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我們常常講談核能這件事很重要的是社會溝通但是顯然我們的社會溝通做得不夠好所以呢在這個部分我們是希望說我們對核電也好核安也好民眾都是一知半解那希望核安會 |
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經濟部能夠針對這一些部分還有民眾的疑慮要能夠提出回覆並且加強核能安全的宣導相關事宜那這個部分我也希望我能夠得到一個報告兩個星期內那這麼多不同的意見其實就是代表政府不夠透明所以在這個宣導跟教育的過程當中 |
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我想我們很多的民眾都不太知道核能的危險程度跟未來地方何去何從所以這個部分我還是強烈要求先討論核廢如何處理再來重視核安問題好不好好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |