IVOD_ID |
160615 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160615 |
日期 |
2025-04-24 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-13 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
13 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-04-24T09:41:22+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-04-24T09:51:30+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:10:08 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e5949092262b37b0af18c34ac1b6c98163c2be5dfb0591b1bf46decef9d92b3ed25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
委員發言時間 |
09:41:22 - 09:51:30 |
會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員徐巧芯等20人擬具「住宅法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
四、審查委員林岱樺等17人擬具「住宅法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
五、審查委員賴士葆等17人擬具「住宅法第十五條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
六、審查委員牛煦庭等16人擬具「住宅法第十條及第五十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
七、審查委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員李彥秀等17人擬具「住宅法第十五條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
九、審查委員羅智強等16人擬具「住宅法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、審查委員蘇巧慧等17人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
十二、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「住宅法增訂第二十一條之一條文草案」案。
十三、審查委員林思銘等21人擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、審查委員李坤城等24人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、審查委員徐欣瑩等26人擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、審查委員馬文君等19人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
十七、審查委員高金素梅等27人擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
十八、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「住宅法第二條條文修正草案」案。
十九、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「住宅法第二十二條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
二十、審查委員林倩綺等23人擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員王鴻薇等16人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查委員陳素月等17人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員陳菁徽等18人擬具「住宅法第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「住宅法部分條文修正草案」案。
(僅詢答,第二十一案至第二十五案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。)
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謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長部長有請 |
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您早部長早辛苦了連著兩天首先本席想請教政府之前一直宣稱已經達社宅目標20萬戶但剛剛羅委員也有提到你應該知道目前完工的有多少吧目前完工有入住的是3萬但是再過幾個月的話會達到9萬戶9萬戶預計什麼時候達成 |
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我請署長跟您回應一下報告因為我們大概在這個截止到3月底大概中央家地方大概是接近3萬4千戶但是我們陸陸續續在也就是說我們在這一期的計畫就到121年剛剛因為部長有提到即將達到9萬戶那9萬戶是預計什麼時候達成 |
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沒有9萬戶是 我說明一下因為我們大概是分期分階段沒關係嘛 9萬戶大概預計什麼時候達成9萬戶的話可能還要再4到5年4到5年 好那為什麼我們政府新聞各方面包含公聽會都一直宣稱說已經達20萬戶說明一下因為我們本來就是在一開始陳報社宅計畫的時候他的定義就是說政府已經發包 |
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所以是發包的 20萬戶就發包不一定是完成的那我們因為這樣對整個不管是政府的預計或社會的期待還是有一些落差所以請問部長有沒有在想說如何提升我們社會住宅的 |
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還工比率怎麼樣來加速我想委員會常了解蓋社會住宅我們確實要如期如質所以我們現在真的是我們也很急但是蓋的部分就是按照品質要能夠完成可是因為我們剛剛在報告的時候有特別提到百萬戶的租屋家庭計畫裡面 |
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就是社會住宅現在的入住率跟完工率沒有那麼 入住率很高啦完工率沒有那麼高的狀況之下像包租代管或者是租金補貼等於是其他的備變的措施啊能夠在那個這樣子的一個緩衝期裡面提供給很多尤其是年輕學子的做這個住屋上面的一個補助 |
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好但是我们还是希望看到就是这个的完工的速度能够掌握好那再来一个是完工另外一个就是全国社宅的目标数就是它的需求到至今好像一直没有科学化的调查所以政府是不是有计划全面建置社宅需求的调查平台确保这个数据是比较 |
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準確而且透明呢說明一下應該是這麼說因為現在全國的這個社宅大概在六都大概各自有那其實現在的作法您的意思是說六都各自有在掌握對對對那其他縣市呢其他縣市就是有到時候因為都是其他縣市的部分基本上都是中央興建的那當然就我們來我現在是說需求需求度你們有掌握嗎 |
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需求度現在是沒有所以是有沒有考慮要掌握呢跟委員報告因為他會跟這個他會跟這個把這個各地方的需求的審查標準其實都不一致因為各地現在都會根據自己的設計狀態那你中央主管機關你有沒有要各地掌握嗎不然你都不知道 |
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就有點像市場的需求我們真的民眾的需求那你怎麼去訂定我們的要做的目標應該這麼說因為各地他也會看你的所謂的租金的水準那其實第二個也會跟他現在的所謂的租金的這個所得跟身份的 |
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的這個分級制所以他會各縣市會不一樣但是我們身為執政我們中央政府難道我們都不需要掌握到底考慮進去嗎每個地方租金不同每個地方需求不同但我就是要知道大概各地的需求是多少依據他的需求也比較能量身訂做吧 |
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也跟我們報告啦因為其實基本上我們先用全國的總量在看的時候我們現在是用一個標準的2.5%不是你全國總量看你可以是六都掌握然後各縣市掌握匯報起來你們整體的掌握所以跟我們報告啦因為我們現在第一步是先用全國的總量的比例來先抓一個總數字 |
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然後到各縣市去投入的時候現在是依各地它在一定的人口數以上那我們先去開始進行社宅的投資所以本席請教就是說你們有沒有在進行這種需求的調查平台所以第三個就是現在都有陸陸續續在進行但是就會跟委員報告是說因為我們還要統一訂定它的一個審查標準 |
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他的這個資格的審查標準那依據各縣市不同我們會去訂那訂了出來才會讓民眾去登記這件事情所以朝這個方向然後加速來進行嘛我們希望政府一定要掌握需求你才知道怎麼進行嘛好不好 |
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那再來想請教就是包租代管中計畫中的仲介業者被指好像經常被指說他是重視數量忽略品質甚至有發生排除高齡或者是單身男性的這種現象所以我們政府有沒有 |
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計劃修訂相關的管理規範來提升業者服務的標準並且完善的申訴管道最重要我們也要保障一些弱勢者不被排除這個部分 |
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跟委員報告其實在做包租貸款的部分應該關鍵這麼說對仲介業者來講他是負責媒合跟中間的管理所以其實基本上大概也源自於現在的租屋環境很多房東大概有一些房東大概可能對長者他可能擔心他身體有狀況 |
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長者還有單身男性為什麼會是單身男性有一些是可能地緣的地緣的關係他才會有這樣的問題有些地緣的關係他擔心男性的話譬如說房東是女性他可能會擔心有一些所以我們大家了解其實對仲介他並不會去排除做這些服務那你們有沒有這個規範相關的管理規範跟我們報告就是說有關租賃方面的一些 |
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還有完善的申訴管道 |
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最後我們社會住宅的重簽率偏低部長您知道嗎是那有沒有想過怎麼樣來改進其實就是數量不足數量現在還不太夠了所以現在加緊就對了該興建的趕快興建然後有一些可以包租代管的你們這邊做好的這種統整還有一些鼓勵措施剛剛有講好OK那今天到最後 |
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我們在各縣市需求納入比較精準的規劃或者是保障有沒有一些配套措施保障弱勢群體的需求 |
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優先的被考量報告因為現行的規定就已經有了啦現行的規定它就已經有輸量了就是我們剛一路一直講說要掌握需求嘛有沒有在建這個Data配其實現在的弱勢戶的比例啦還有中遷率其實是高於一般戶啦尤其我們現在有初步統計 |
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弱勢戶的在六都現在的狀況它的平均中簽率是一般戶的2.5倍到3.5倍最後就是你們有沒有在建置這個data data base其實資料其實在弱勢戶的部分本來資料都不只弱勢就整個啊我們從我剛剛第一題在問的對就長期的話才要慢慢去你們已經開始建置了嗎對就已經開始在收集資料收集資料對收集資料有沒有時程你什麼時候這種資料庫會建立起來 |
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跟委員報告因為我們必須透過行政行政上的作為逐步去強化所以沒有設定什麼時候要做出來那你這樣根本我告訴你明年後年在這個議題在質詢的時候你都還沒見跟報告是本來就有一些資料庫現在是說如果照委員講的要全面照全國都要的話那當然要一些時間因為非六都你站在中央的立場你當然要了解全國的情況是所以我跟委員報告現在六都的部分大家都已經逐步都掌握了 |
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但是在非六都的部分會搭配著我們的社宅的主部的完工那其實他就會在當地去收集這樣的一個資訊那這些資訊就會建置成一個平台的一個概念在會上面去統一去做一個資料的一個流通啦好 我們希望盡早看到完善的這個整個資料庫系統還有我們能夠掌握全國的需求 謝謝好 謝謝徐信英委員 下一位我們請麥玉珍委員 |