| IVOD_ID |
160611 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160611 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T10:15:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T10:25:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e54fc12062c4146cb6c89945c4c3ca21e1c2be5dfb0591b1bff151987b109fadff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:45 - 10:25:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
(4月23日及24日二天一次會)） |
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好 謝謝召委 有請我們陳主委好 有請陳主委主委好委員好主委 不然想跟您請問一下你們的解凍案什麼時候要送來立法院 |
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已經送了吧已經送了都已經送了我那個院長前天才宣布要解凍全部送解凍的報告這麼快我們一直在準備 |
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對不起您講什麼我們一直都在準備一直都在準備好那在這之前想跟你請問一下有沒有之前有收到所謂行政院有說只是要暫緩送 |
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我沒有聽到這個消息沒有沒有好OK我想針對預算的解凍左院長前天才表示並非是行政院有任何的要求而是每個部會有任何都有不同的狀況請問主委各部會有不同狀況那請問河岸會有沒有什麼狀況有沒有遇到什麼具體的困難首先我們的這個收集預算執行資料有個專案方法 |
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我們一開始我們主要的馬上的感覺就是我們旅費被砍了很多很多要到現場視察而且或是等等都沒辦法做要現場視察或突襲檢查之類解凍的藥件寫說要突襲檢查 |
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主委您怎麼好像完全狀況外因為你剛剛說突襲檢查我是說有不預警視察我們河南會常常對一些廠商有做不預警視察很好啊這樣這看起來是民眾喜歡的一個概念可是這樣我們才可以減少的話這方面的視察就必須要減少 |
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不好意思你講這句話我聽不太清楚如果我們像是差旅費被砍了之後使我們這方面的經費減少必須要減少這方面的不預警視察對不起因為您的口音有時候聽不太清楚不好意思那您說差旅費被刪除所以不預警視察造成你的困難你沒辦法這麼多的不預警視察是這樣子嗎 |
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這是其中一個因素 |
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其中一個因素好沒關係我看你還有什麼具體的困難都請提出沒關係還有呢是跟委員報告一下我們其實剛剛主委提到的是我們在通山的部分因為差旅費有刪減不能留用所以造成我們一些視察業務的影響但是我們還是會在預算範圍之內做到我們荷蘭管制應該執行的業務我想有多少錢做多少事是是是那不預警視察跟預警視察 |
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都跟差旅費我覺得沒有多大的關係啦難道預警視察就沒有差旅費的問題不預警視察就有差旅費的問題應該不是啦但是我想民眾的多半都希望是不要有所準備去了解第一線的狀況那你是說你的不預警視察是成為解凍的主要之一的條件嗎 |
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再跟委員說明我們的解凍案在114年總共九項凍結案那其中有一項專案報告是要針對預算執行資料來做一些蒐集那我們其他的解凍案也有很多在委員會委員關切的議題所以其實這段時間我們都在整理這些資料所以我們在整理完畢之後在昨天發文送來大院那也請委員支持我們的預算解凍 |
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只要前提在這個部分上如果是真的為我們的核安來努力我想大家一定會支持所有的這些相關的一個手段都是希望核安會能夠更加督促不管是我們的核能議題之外以及核能相關安全那相信剛剛也有委員有提到這個河山火災的案子大家都一定會很關注啊嚇死啊所以這也都是核安必須要加緊去處理的一個部分 |
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但是我想先來問賴清德總統啊之前說新核能採開放的一個態度因為他4月22有接見這個環保團體拋出行政團隊一貫的立場就是對未來新的先進的核能技術保持開放的一個態度任何的政策變更都必須滿足核安核廢社會共識三個主要的前提才能夠進行那想請問一下 |
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我們現在是行政團隊的議員 那想請問你們所謂的新核能具體是指哪些技術呢現在主要是指的是small module reactor小型模組化反應器 核融核也是未來核融核也是啦對不對 模組化的小型反應爐這些都是嘛對不對 那有沒有具體的時間表 |
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或者是有沒有接下來有一個進度因為我知道世界的趨勢在這邊但是我們有沒有去追我們現在國務院院有已經有一部分研究計畫是在裡面然後我們現在有個比較長期的研究計畫之前國務院院長高院長是是請說 |
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SMR計畫今年會離總共補助大概2300萬做相關的研究那明年主委來了以後還加碼,加碼1800萬,大概有3500萬加倍今年2300萬,明年5800萬?沒有,加碼1800萬1800萬,對不起,因為你麥克風靠近一點加碼1800萬,這個國際上應該2030年左右 |
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才會比較能夠穩定對SMR國際上的SMR有商品化的產品大約在五年以後會有商品化的產品出來可以大量生產所以我們希望有一個大型比較具規模的研究計畫最近跟國科會也前兩個禮拜做過報告希望能夠具體的研究三種新的 |
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當然你有這樣子的一個具體的期程是預計沒有叫你保證那對於這樣子的新核能的一個研究所編列的預算我想不會有任何的立委會去有所疑議甚至去阻擋所以2300跟1800嘛今年2300嘛 |
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明年再加一千八我剛聽到五千八那再來就是說對於這個我們剛剛說的核安是我們最重要的一個考量所以剛剛有許多的立委對於這個核三的一個火災案大家都非常的關切相信現階段是沒有什麼太大的問題對吧對核安方面並沒有造成影響 |
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好 但是我們要知道 縣府獲報的時候是大概晚7分鐘那原因是廠方自行滅火未通報所以我想問一下 本事件通報的原因是什麼未來如何確保第一時間同步的通報地方政府 民代 居民還是自行滅火是你們本身就要做的一個SOP最重要的一環所以你們滅完火才會通報 |
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也請高組長回答這個問題是請說跟委員說明當天是縣長工作人員在進行切割然後高溫的火花噴濺到冷卻水塔裡面那縣長有工作人員也準備一些滅火器那發現有一些火星的時候 |
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第一線工作人員會先行滅火另外會通報廠內本身就有消防隊通報廠內消防隊前去滅火同時台電公司和三廠也去通報地方政府因為他們彼此之間有一個聯繫的溝通管道 |
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看起來是準備得很完善可是為什麼會說縣府貨報還晚7分鐘就台電公司所提出來資訊顯示是因為河山廠要通報的同仁當天應該是出差所以訊息可能有點耽誤出差 沒有職務代理人 |
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所以他後續的檢討就是會增加廠長去跟好來那這樣子既然你說到這就是重點那是不是對於任何的一個這樣子的一個緊急事件對外通報的SOP流程是不是可以擬定好一個缺陷的方案以後讓我們知道一下這部分應該沒困難吧跟委員說明這一部分我們會裡面已經要求台電公司針對跟地方這一部分或者是跟會裡面的通報 |
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我們也希望了解像你剛剛說的嘛你們自己有所謂的消防隊你們有一組人馬正在滅火有一組人馬負責通報這些東西能不能做出一個SOP然後來讓本委會所有委員知道一下那我想這個部分我們希望能夠了解再來卓院長有說要查明事故的原因深切追究那絕不會寬待但是目前有沒有相關人員受到懲處 |
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跟委員說明這屬於台電公司內部的管理這部分所以可能台電所以要問台電你們不會去詢問他一下因為屬於他內部的行政管理但是SOP這個部分我想你們應該責無旁貸作為一個核安的主要主管機關應該是幫忙協助吧這可以嗎可以好那會後希望拿到這個資料是謝謝 |