| IVOD_ID |
160587 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160587 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-24T09:23:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-24T09:34:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e1f7c3e1748c6e5fc2be3cd4f3cd0ebc89945c4c3ca21e148de7f242c34ed8dc7b66ba030a8f37c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:42 - 09:34:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
(4月23日及24日二天一次會)） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請何安慧主委好 有請陳主委 |
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委員好主委好我們打起精神好不好台灣需要電我們也需要核能安全都需要這個拜託您我們來多一點交流有鑑於核三廠二號機再過不到一個月也許就要停機了 |
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那關於核管法的討論呢在立法院第一會期呢其實已經排過巡達那本席呢也在3月19號有召開公聽會並且在3月31號進行實質審查目前核管法以第六條為主以及臨時修正動議呢都已經送出委員會那本席接下來呢就會召開協商然而在協商之前呢本席想跟主委確認一個事實就是即便修法通過 |
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演繹也仍先待台電送出評估報告後再經核安會審核同意才能演繹我們這個理解沒有錯吧是的是嗎因為現在坊間有一些謠傳說我們很暴力修法啦罔顧核安啦就是我們修法通過以後還是很重視安全嘛台電也要先送報告嘛核安會也先要同意嘛 對吧是的 |
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是嗎 謝謝主委這樣子一個說法否則的話我想民眾可能會有一個誤會每一次研議的時候可能都會說有安全疑慮等等我想這樣其實不是很理性我想修法只是在幫政府解開法律的限制至於是否要研議其實也要看台電的決定還有核安會的評估那我繼續請教主委經濟部在4月初已經核定 |
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放射性廢棄物處置辦公室的主任那依據經濟部的規劃後續呢將著手朝你高階核廢料的選址辦法並且目標要在今年的下半年來預告並且在年底的時候送行政院審查您身為核能的大家長核能安全的總顧問有給經濟部什麼樣的建議嗎核能 |
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核廢料的安全處置,一般是最好依照國際的經驗最好得到地方的支持,因為叫local consent所以核安會現在跟辦公室之間的關係是什麼? |
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我們本來河安應該是以河安會為主嘛那現在這個放射性廢棄物處置專案辦公室又把它成立起來那河安會現在跟這個辦公室之間的溝通是怎麼樣有決策衝突的時候比如說你說以LOCO為主他覺得不是或者你覺得LOCO已經同意了他說LOCO沒有同意如果有決策衝突的時候誰的意見為主啊我們請陳組長回答 |
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報告委員 河安會跟經濟部的在河費管理這塊的分工他們是執行單位 我們是安全管制單位他們要設的這個條例 其實涉及到選址的作業還有可能將來的對於這個場址的回饋 地方的回饋還有一些政策配套措施 |
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所以他們是執行單位你們是上級機關我們是安全管制機關我們是管制單位所以將來他選出來的長職要經過你們核可對那如果他選出來的你是可以不核可的 |
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將來他因為他處置的時候要連同他的工程設計一起送就長子條件安全工程設計跟安全評估之所以設置這個是不是行政院經濟部覺得和安會能力不足啊為什麼你們不能直接來執行呢 |
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整個選址作業都是經濟部跟台電公司的事務我只問一個問題放射性廢棄物處置的相關的專案在執行的時候有沒有核安方面的議題 |
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有 所以我們每一年都會去查核台電公司的執行狀況查核台電我知道 但是之前你們核安推給台電台電推給核安已經很多了現在又多了一個辦公室嘛那如果你們意見跟他不一樣怎麼辦我們會給他我們對於管制的專業意見那他們去依照我們的設定的安全的條件他們會去做選址的工作那他可不可以不認同 |
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他會 就是基本上因為我們設的安全條件是最基本安全條件那他應該要符合這個懸到長子上那他選址出來之後你覺得不同意你可以拒絕他嗎你會拒絕他嗎你會拿出這個guards拒絕他嗎如果他的選址結果和將來的整個工程設計 |
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結果是不安全的那我們就說它是不安全沒辦法合格這個其實不只有我們將來它也需要環評我想其實聽起來你們很可能就是到時候還是會以經濟部的意見為主 |
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那何安慧老實說我覺得你們真的是不知道是不是被行政院這樣發配邊疆還是怎麼樣有時候網友都有一些迷因圖啊說現在這個社會大眾希望能研議然後呢我們的政府說要以安全為由做各種的評估可是安全評估啊廢料處置啊全部又跑到經濟部跟台電去了 |
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核安會要不要乾脆解散啊你現在研議的按鈕你也不按核安會你說這個主導的東西你又交給別人這兩個按鈕怎麼看報告委員我們對於處置安全管理規則還有它的長子要件我們都已經訂好了不是你訂的為什麼不能你執行就好了呢為什麼一定要他執行呢因為選址工作涉及到政策配套還有那個回饋這個都在後端基金後端基金主管機關是經濟部 |
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好 沒關係 理解啦那我想這個未來還是務必要盡到對河岸的承諾好不好不要到時候引起地方的紛爭河岸會存在的目的其實就是要讓民眾對河能放心嘛不要像現在可能有些特定團體以不實資訊製造民眾恐慌 |
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未來的溝通一定要做得更好那我想其實未來核廢料的這個議題我們也希望有一些新的可能性現在在日本有一些以核廢料為活性材料來做電 放電的這個做法請問有沒有聽說過 何安惠有沒有掌握過 |
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所以高階核廢料的處理方式它還可以再利用一直都會改進一直都會進步高階核廢料可以經過某種轉換可以轉換成低階核廢料這個技術現在已經現在是它還可以發電 |
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還可以發電有掌握到嗎?對,也可以發電放在Multisource Reactor裡面可以把它放當作燃料然後直接把它減量所以其實很科學的嘛所以我想其實本席在4月10號的時候就執行中研院啦我們覺得其實很多新的科學技術都可以納入我們接下來的這個核能議題的發展那當時我詢問了中研院院長 |
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為什麼他們的減碳計畫裡面的淨零五支箭沒有跟核能有關的哇 核安會的專業突然又被中研院放在旁邊去了那院長最後表示他們沒有跟核能有關的設備跟人才所以沒有辦法做核能的研究而且這個他們淨零五支箭只選擇社會大眾沒有在討論的東西來放請問主委核安會有沒有核能相關的人才或設備台灣有沒有核能相關的人才或設備 |
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現在是有的不過數目一直在減少中那這樣我們怎麼跟得上國際趨勢呢所以說要加油嗎 |
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我想這個部分跨部會合作好不好我聽你說真話啦謝謝你說真話我覺得我們應該要在這塊加強而且應該也要向中研院來提供意見未來中研院跟對不起我在跟主席爭取一滴滴時間就是說未來跟中研院有沒有可能來做計畫的合作像德國現在也已經開始在做合融合剛剛我們科委員也有提到合融合相關的這個發展的探究未來有沒有跟中研院合作的可能 |
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我們跟中委院去年有跟廖院長洽談了整整半年,原來去探難清的,但是核能的目前還沒有相關的研究計畫,所以我們事實上已經有機制,雙方合作的機制已經有建立。 |
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好 太好了過去沒有談到核能現在應該要談了啦為什麼呢環境部已經表態了啦這個考量國安應該保留核能我們現在有越來越多的部會開始說出真話我也非常感謝那我想環境部的這個部長帶電投靠那我想這個中研院也應該很理性核安會也應該很理性我們希望我們是不是就在核能上面有多一點讓台灣的能源韌性 |
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我希望這個可以選擇當然越多越好特別如果是核安 核廢料公眾支持的情況下當然選擇是越多越好好啦 希望您再回去讀一下過去您的文章我們一起來follow您的先知我們一起來執行好不好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝主委 |