| IVOD_ID |
160577 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160577 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T12:36:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T12:57:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc0c58cf848856f31d3a01776dcf2b4a8ff7bdb191357f7ebfa6a3cf9a7d5d653fa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:00 - 12:57:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、銓敘部部長、法務部調查局局長、法務部廉政署署長、行政院人事行政總處、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、內政部、中央選舉委員會、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「選舉罷免程序中，如何落實公務人員含政務官（人員）、司法人員、選務人員恪守行政中立，且秉持公正執法勿偏頗」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席有請部長請鄭部長委員好請教部長國民黨台北市黨部諸位黃宇景如被約談的時候說 |
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國民黨青年軍很熱情也很有想法不但動作快效率也很高沒多久就完成罷綠連署但他對細節並不知情也沒有下令要求黨工提供名冊給青年軍抄襲請問這段的這個描述偵查訊息的描述想請教您是在哪邊看到的這個我不清楚進週刊 |
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又是禁週刊你知道禁週刊現在有個綽號叫什麼你知道吧就是禁檢啦這明明是在偵辦中的案件其他人都不應該知道黃磊景如什麼時候被約談的啊這我不清楚你通通不清楚你是不清楚部長恭喜你他上禮拜被約談 |
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不是嗎這麼大的 重大社會事件你一個法務部長跟我講 通通不清楚因為我不介入個案的真本又來不介入個案因為我講太清楚 你又說我介入了 干涉了又不介入個案你連偵查洩密都不辦 個案不介入偵查洩密你辦了幾件你辦了幾件這個偵查洩密的這部分檢查機構在這好 沒關係 我就通案來講 |
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這件事情如果涉及至少泄密請問檢方該不該辦 |
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反正只有泄密如果只有犯罪嫌疑檢方就會立案正辦是啊但是這件我跟委員報告這件我有看這些的這個媒體的一個報導他是引述熟悉青年軍的人士的轉述還有一名被交保青年軍在偵訊後像有人大發牢騷講的就是委員所講的那些所以這個我想媒體有交代他的一個消息的來源 |
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好 消息來源 那所以這部分應該很好啊 你不是又不了解了 現在又了解了你又很了解嘛 你都了解嘛他被約談的時候講的東西 青年軍坐在旁邊聽他講青年軍是沒有人被羈押後來被羈押的不是青年軍我講的是約談 你給我講羈押他這可以轉述 這個是不是說 |
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這個媒體的報導是昨天出來的嘛我也被檢方約談過啦沒有人坐在我旁邊啦只有檢察官啦然後你跟我講說我都告訴檢察官的東西我告訴檢察官的東西也真的都出去啦然後你跟我講說那是其他的涉案人士但是我們談的是委員是在就是說這件辦理這件事對啊 我就跟你還原場景啊 |
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我給你還原場景啊,你又推給青年軍,你堂堂部署來來來,我想請教你啊,我想請教你啊,我告訴你我就是佩服北檢跟淨檢,我非常佩服偵查公開的情形,琳瑯滿目你到現在沒告訴我,請問辦了幾件 |
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零啦 一件都沒被起訴啦然後通通都不是檢察官放的 都不是檢察官弄的你們列管幾千件的所謂的那個偵查洩密的新聞資料 新聞資訊你最後起訴是零啦那我要告訴你啊 這你總知道吧 為什麼要規範偵查不公開啊 |
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不會不知道吧 部長這個是影響案件是偵辦嘛還有呢這個是依刑訴訟法245條的一個規定嘛還有呢 規定什麼 法規範議職是什麼你作為部長不會不知道吧也要保護當事人權益啊 不是嗎要確保今天檢察官在資訊上是中立的 |
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可是我今天跟你講在這次進週刊一樣啊率先大幅報導偵查中的內容還說約談的霸團青年陸續公出實情表示交給中選會的罷免連署資料是由四黨部轉交這個媒體有這樣的報導民進黨啊 |
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你們檢察官在民進黨執政之下你們去年已經用這種所謂偵查大公開好好的搞了民眾黨的主席黨檢媒合作無間 案情天天公開 小說都出來連柯文哲看什麼錄影帶 跟案情無關的也可以變小說出去 |
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都被你們扣的資料全部可以變成說今天媒體寫的內容然後你今天跟我四五六七八九跟我講說不關你的事沒有檢察官放我上次有質詢過你啊接觸這些資訊的人當事人啦律師啦檢察官啦法官啦警察啦你告訴我最後是律師喔還是當事人啊自己放自己打自己啊 |
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就像我之前說過了我退萬萬不言你一直要跟我講說就沒有檢察官放啊反正你這句話走遍天下啊我說過啦請問洩密是不是犯罪行為是不是嘛有保守秘密的公園但是洩漏交付等等這個就是犯罪的行為答對啦很好啊犯罪行為誰來偵查 |
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謝謝啊 都很好啊那我就問啊你講得出來我都聽不下去你起訴是零你還跟我講 偵辦什麼啊你偵辦哪一個啊你的洩密案起訴是零啊你列管幾千件起訴零啊偵辦欸效率這麼好就像我講的啊 |
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今天喔 我們檢察官 我們部長發明了一個非常棒的話術我們詐騙嚴不嚴重啊 台灣詐騙舉世都很嚴重 但是我知道台灣是很嚴重舉世都很嚴重 我問你台灣問舉世沒關係啦 你不要擔心啦我還沒有在講你詐騙的那個防治的成效 我不是要問這個問題我是打個比方 詐騙是不是犯罪啊 |
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是犯罪啊 是啊 很好啊那今天我跟你部長講說萬一我們詐騙幾千件結果我看到成績單成績表現不好這詐騙抓得不夠好或是今天竊盜案抓得不夠好或其他犯罪案抓得不夠好我質詢部長 部長跟我講一句錢不是檢察官偷的啊 |
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然後呢 跟我講說 詐騙也不是檢察官詐的啊就像說今天洩密 擺明那麼多洩密在眼前你跟我講說 洩密不是檢察官洩的啊我先不講這顯而易見 今天你們用所謂的偵查訊息然後去炮製一個對在野黨的另外一種夾殺 我先不講這件事情 |
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我光講一個犯罪增防本體的檢察官跟所謂的法務部這種成績這種藉口讓人民去公決吧我再問啊部長中學校告發第一階段罷免提議出現死亡嚴肅偽造情事有多少案啊41件罷律25罷藍15罷白1件嘛對不對對不對 |
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這個所謂的罷然十五件啊辦了幾件四十一件不是全部的死亡連署它有圍繞有不合格的好啦就一件啦不合格的就一件嘛ABCD藉口理由你可以充斥山海之間但你遮不了一件根本的問題就一件好來來來這一件我說真的啊你們不辦我還覺得 |
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你們辦了我還真的是覺得超級欣賞、佩服的擺明你要辦我也懂你的陽謀是什麼嘛不要再講我們辦藍不辦綠了嘛你看看罷免國民黨的我們也辦啊基隆啊好棒啊6點半去抓人啊很棒啊辦啊送船票啊找人啊很棒啊很棒啊 |
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對啊 沒有抓已經是恩賜恩典啦對啊 所以嘛 感謝你啦沒有把民眾抓起來啦恩賜恩典啦但你把領銜人抓得很開心啦你把罷免民進黨立委的團體的領銜人抓得很開心啦我要跟你講的是什麼你們好溫柔啊你們好貼心啊你們遇到罷免民進黨的 |
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你們的偵辦的處分的強度偵辦的手段的強度比天高比海深了不起直接斬首領銜人直接抓搜索在野黨黨部世界上民主國家我還真沒看到有人去大規模搜索在野黨黨部就我們親愛的民進黨政府 |
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統治之下的檢查機關你們做得到我沒辦法啦我不如你們啦馬英九沒辦法不如你啦蔡英文也不如你啦陳水扁也不如你啦陳水扁最近被出征很厲害啦你們厲害啊我佩服嘛我欣賞嘛佩服欣賞啊這是對所謂的 |
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罷免民進黨的公民你們的處分的強度直接斬首然後再搭配進檢再放新聞完美組合招招致命 刀刀要害了不起 厲害但你們刷新我的眼睛啊你們就算要擠一件罷免國民黨的你也可以這麼有創意的 |
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罷免民進黨的是斬首然後呢罷免國民黨的是燒絞毛啊去騷擾連樹人啊六點半啊起床真早啊然後親會非常溫柔的然後再去約談先搞個騷擾這個連樹人 |
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然後呢在溫柔的約談領先人請問有沒有搜索民進黨黨部有沒有報偉我想我們完全沒有藍綠那我們去基隆辦那個是綠的你又說我們太早起床我想這個對我們來說其實不是很公平這個好像就是說有人作弊被抓到不去罵那個作弊的就一直在罵這些抓作弊的這個讓我覺得有點confuse來 第二次問你 |
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第二次問你有沒有搜索民進黨黨部 |
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那就看檢察官對於證據的又個案了 前面你講的那麼正正有詞就不是個案今天你現在講到民進黨又變個案不是 這個突然間我們這麼短時間內突然間有這麼多網身的前輩能夠起來簽名這不是一個很奇怪的事情第四次問你有沒有搜索民進黨黨部這個看個案的需要第五次問你有沒有搜索民進黨的黨部沒有啦 |
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你答不出來你心虛我已經回答過啦我沒有答不出來你有回答啊我有回答你啊你有回答沒有兩個字啊我有回答你啊對啊這個反正是看個案的需要啊哎呀我還不懂你的招數遇到罷免國民黨的你溫柔啊體貼啊善解人意啊你先去先去騷擾連署人你知道當天所有人在幹誰嗎在罵誰嗎 |
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在罵林沛翔啊 網路上炸鍋啊我想沒有欸 對啊 我們也沒看到 對啊你沒看到 我看到好不好 你在看的東西像剛剛我們的部長進檢的報告都沒看到報道都沒看到 公講都沒看到然後再問下去 突然又記起來 通通看到 |
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好啦 你們公信力如何讓大家去看啊沒有啊 現在就是說這個作弊的被抓到了有沒有搜索領銜人就一直在罵那個抓作弊的人有沒有搜索領銜人你跟我講說作弊那你要不要去懷疑說今天民進黨黨部作弊不是啊 這個死亡連署是這麼明顯的偽造文書我們檢調機關可以閉著眼睛當作不知道嗎這麼明顯的偽造文書的基隆是 |
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結果你只去約談連署人你去騷擾連署人 你好意思跟我講你作弊都抓我沒意見你作弊都抓我沒意見 |
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你今天對於基隆你去騷擾連樹人清晨六點半但你基本上就是在示警連引嫌人 |
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鐵證證事實放在一起 不必混淆這個概念啦我告訴你啦 你不用混淆這個概念鐵證證事實就在眼前有沒有搜索國民黨黨部 |
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這個檢察官按照證據去跟法院申請法官同意有沒有搜索國民黨黨部第三次問你有沒有搜索國民黨黨部第四次問你那你有沒有去向法官申請搜索民進黨基隆市黨部又回到個案這邊就是法官這邊叫個案法官個案法官個案法官個案法官個案我們是一個法治國家本來就是個案你厲害啦 |
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你就是有搜索國民黨黨部 有沒有搜索領銜人你就是有搜索領銜人 還有個案啊我重再問你一次 你也不用回答 讓人民來攻擊我一定會回答 你問啊來 有沒有搜索國民黨黨部看個案的需要啊 這是法官核發的搜索票有沒有搜索民進黨黨部這也是看個案的需要啊有沒有搜索罷免民進黨立委的領銜人 |
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有約談領銷人啊 你講的基隆人那一件有啊有沒有搜索啊這個就是看個案的需要啊有約談就答得出來 沒搜索就答不出來講官依照卷內的證據去審酌 對啊我告訴你啊 局長到目前為止 你最適合當民進黨的官啦我完全無黨無派我完全無黨無派謝謝你啦來 我問部長 |
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那我來看看你們是不是都一模一樣部長檢察官有沒有搜索民進黨黨部剛才那個局長已經答覆過啦委員你也知道嗎我現在是問你我現在是問你有沒有這個就是檢察官認為有需要第二次問你有沒有搜索民進黨黨部第三次問你有沒有搜索民進黨黨部 |
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第一百次問你有沒有搜索民進黨黨部這個大家都公眾都皆知大家都知道是什麼公眾皆知的事實是什麼公眾皆知 唯你不知嗎有沒有嘛這個要不要搜索那個某政黨的黨部這個都是公眾都知啊那你就不是公眾啦公眾都知有沒有嘛第一百零一次問你啊 |
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都目前是沒有非常好謝謝你所以我們講這個有沒有要搜索的這個完全就是看案情的一個需要證據嘛部長我質詢你多少次我告訴你我要的東西我質詢的東西也沒有很過分不坦白講你剛剛回答我就肯定你啊我肯定你都不行嗎肯定你都不行嗎 |
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你都答沒有啊 我肯定你啊 肯定你不行嗎我可不可以肯定你 部長謝謝嘛 對啊你學學啦 |
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這不用選齁 這個就是事實事實勝於雄辯來 我再問你下一個對啊 事實勝於雄辯你旁邊就出一個雄辯派啊 事實贏不過他我們不是雄辯 我們就是陳述事實來 部長我想請教你下一個問題有沒有搜索國民黨黨部有沒有這個媒體都法官的話搜索這樣啊跟前面答案一樣 公眾都知嘛你前面都答得出來 現在答不出來 |
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第三次問你有沒有搜索國民黨黨部就法官核發了當然要去執行啊有嘛好啦那再回頭問你那有沒有向法官申請搜索民進黨黨部基隆民進黨黨部有沒有個案啦我幫你回答看看個案正確吧你看我多瞭解你 |
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肚子裡有蛔蟲 看個案有沒有向法官搜索國民黨黨部有沒有向法官搜索國民黨黨部有啊有沒有向法官搜索民進黨黨部向法官申請搜索國民黨黨部你就答得出有有沒有向法官搜索民進黨黨部你就答得叫個案我的中文不好啦我真的中文很爛啦 |
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我在這邊我的腦袋也開花了我再問你一次嘛 就是有嘛不是嗎 有啊 有搜索啊不管是檢察官申請還是法院同意 就是有嘛沒錯吧 我理解不會錯吧上禮拜發生的事 國民黨那個領銜也被搜在前面台南市黨部被搜 我應該沒理解錯誤吧沒有吧 我沒理解錯誤吧 |
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第六次問有沒有搜索國民黨黨部這個媒體都已經報導了嘛那就是報導是有還是沒有啊你今天布展只看媒體報導啊這個前天都已經講過了嘛你講過啦 你講的是有還是沒有記憶不好啊前天就講過啦有講過嗎 你什麼時候講過前天就講過依法官的搜索票去執行了啊就有嘛 |
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就有嘛 我這樣講沒錯吧 就有嘛就有嘛我現在在問你這件事 你扯共諜共諜我都沒時間問你啦 我也沒打算問了 因為來不及了啦那就有嘛 |
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好難喔 人生真難 做官更難 打個有志都這麼沉重千斤萬擔壓在肩上 覺得無法吐出一個有志但沒關係 部長我依然肯定 你知道為什麼因為至少在前面那個問題 你回答的沒有你比旁邊那個有擔當的多 就這麼簡單謝謝你謝謝羅議員 |