| IVOD_ID |
160528 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160528 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T11:31:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T11:52:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:20:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc003d3d1a9a1bd06b5a01776dcf2b4a8ff9a3354dc8dbd3a6274d47481ca160e5e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:12 - 11:52:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、銓敘部部長、法務部調查局局長、法務部廉政署署長、行政院人事行政總處、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、內政部、中央選舉委員會、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「選舉罷免程序中，如何落實公務人員含政務官（人員）、司法人員、選務人員恪守行政中立，且秉持公正執法勿偏頗」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩全區部長 法務部長兩位好主要是這樣我們先跟部長請教一下因為部長剛剛講說釣魚站早上六點多去拜訪 |
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拜訪這個民眾啊那部長說這個是基隆人的習慣那部長可能沒有注意那我後來發現那個新聞已經開始在報這件事情那我想請教一下部長你認為基隆人的習慣是什麼意思為什麼要警察早上6點多去啊那個吊牢站早上6點多去 |
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因為其實這個是執行面的一個問題當然我們那時候是有我是有瞭解就是說考慮因為基農基農因為在外地工作上班的很多所以比較早起床所以因為路途要因為他在台北市或新北市來工作所以比較提前來送達船票所以讓被傳換對象當然可以斟酌說我那時候是不是要請假 |
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來接受這個訓問嘛所以這個其實是有考量到一個工作的一個情況一種比較體貼的一個做法但是如果說這個影響到這個當然我們是可以你的意思是說六點半就要把他帶走的意思嗎沒有帶走 |
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是傳喚 正常的通知 那個檢察官傳票的送達嗎那為什麼不能用一般的郵務送達到6點半不是怎麼帶走 這一份執行面我們是不是可以請調查局局長來我想請教一下局長 我們先釐清這件事情當天6點半帶檢察官的傳票去是要馬上把他帶走 還是只是告訴他何時要到庭應訊當然就是通知他 就通知他而已 |
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通知他什麼時候到庭應訊時間我具體的內容我就不曉得那我現在就我的疑問就在這裡如果第一個如果第一個檢察官是請調查官拿船票去找當事人請當事人跟著走我是沒有說具體喔請當事人跟著走那六點半到我家帶我走全家都嚇死了這第一個第二個如果檢察官是指示特定的時間到庭應訊那這個用一般遊牧送達就可以了為什麼一定要調查官去送達 |
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個案的執行方式跟執行的內容我們都依照檢察官的指揮跟部長還有局長報告一下我自己檢察官也幹那麼多年我怎麼沒有聽說過有人幹這種事情我跟兩位報告到場搜索有可能六點半到場拘停有可能六點半但是因為這兩個是必須施以強制力可是如果今天只是通知或者是傳喚民眾的話 |
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為什麼你早上6點半要送去呢就像那天在高雄你調查官你到現場一定要把某一個人帶走一樣那當然現場的民眾會開始會鬧哄哄嘛那我們台灣什麼時候走向這種 |
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讓大人民恐懼然後好像辦集全國家的感覺了調查官可以突然跑到我家來就把我帶走或是調查官來6點半來我家按門鈴那我們也不認為說基隆人跟我們什麼不一樣他們沒有必要說你叫基隆人所以你必須起的筆跡還要早沒有這種事情嗎我想這個是委員誤解啊對 剛剛部長不是這個意思剛剛部長說這個是基隆人的習性啊不是這個意思這個是 |
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這不是說生活習慣,我講說這是因為有考量到他一個工作的一個特性所以我們就在六點多,這是一個他們的一個傳辦的一個考量,這個不是我不是,就部長我剛講的,如果今天這些人是被害人,這些人不是被告 |
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我再跟兩位補充一下這些人是被害人那我請教一下當天調查官送過去的調查官的船票是立刻要帶走開庭還是改天開庭 |
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這個有記載他到的時間啊這個不是說來的話我就帶你去開庭對就是我剛剛講的嘛如果你今天是去要把這是一個傳票送達的一個時間嘛又不是什麼六點開庭六點半開庭部長我沒有說過這句話你不要誤解我的話你不要亂講 |
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部長 送達有送達的做法 送達有送達的慣例今天對於被害人 你早上六點半去送達然後你說這是基隆人的習慣 這我不認同啦這個我不會講說是基隆人 是考慮到基隆地區的工作的特性因為他在外地的工作可能會比較早一點出門 |
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那台北人也可能在外地工作,新北人也可能,那是不是以後全國的被害人我們不斷就點辦不動彈?當然如果說這個考量的話,我們考量說跟我們的事情...部長,部長,我不是外行人,部長,報告部長,我不是外行人,我們來這裡就講真話,好不好? |
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沒有人在早上六點半去被害人家中送檢察官的船票啦部長有的話麻煩部長你跟我說過往有哪些例子這樣子所以這個個案這個是屬於我也尊重檢察官的但是如果說這樣的話引起大家的如果你說個案我接受啊全國的特例啊就像北檢的林俊賢檢察官會二十年沒有檢察官去視察過 |
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視察過醫院然後鄰居講大言不慚說他去醫院視察 一樣啊你今天就是在幹過往都沒有幹過的事情嘛報告部長如果你認為這是個案我可以接受啦那我們是不是就告訴以後所有的人你不能這樣做你這老民你在恐嚇基隆人嘛這部分我已經請這個檢察官在斟酌那個 |
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去符合我們更溫暖的一個做法台灣什麼時候變成今天這樣我一直以為說我一直以來我認為司法是來對付壞人的什麼時候變成政治工具了我一直以來我認為國安法是對付那些境外勢力了什麼時候來對付的都是善良百姓這些年怎麼會變成這樣子啊我當年從社會觀訓練所結訓的時候我對司法的夢想不是今天這樣欸 |
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這會讓很多司法人員難過啦其實我現在也知道北檢北檢裡面自己對於懲辦審慶金還有柯文貞都有兩個不同很極端的想法啦更何況北檢以外的那我覺得部長我們都是要希望說留下好的名聲給大家探聽啦如果說跟著政治人物這樣玩 |
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不是司法人員該有的樣子我想跟委員報告我們不是跟政治人員玩啦我們不會跟政治人員玩啦好 沒關係我想說我想說給我們委員 給我們的指教我們都會深切檢討就像委員講這個我們回去有跟他交代說是不是可以更溫暖 更體貼的一個做法不是講政治人物玩我們沒有跟政治人物玩這件事情對於我們國家的警察官 法官 |
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警察 調查官 廉政官其實我都非常的尊重因為這些人以前是陪著我從年輕到現在 一路大家都是一起作戰的戰友所以我也不能去苛責誰啦當然我要把一些有問題的制度拿出來更何況說我覺得今天的一些做法其實造成寒蟬效應你不要講別人 你早上六點半去被害人家送船票你會讓這些人真的會很害怕 |
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然後你一個調查官跑來一定要帶我走然後他沒有他雖然有出示證件但他也沒有拿任何G票或什麼我也會害怕所以搞到最後為什麼很多人說現在變成寒蟬效應啊司法跟整個行政機關好像在對付民眾 |
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這個我想說大家要釐清啦那當然有一些政客他們對於很多事情都在亂講亂帶風向譬如說我們都426我們一個集會然後就會有人說你違照文書沒有違法嗎其實我們一直在講的是執法的不公的問題我們一直聚焦在執法的不公就像剛剛講說翁曉琳委員自己也說違照文書違法那為什麼現在大家可以抗議這個 |
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我覺得這是亂帶風向那這些人他也念過法律他不是不懂但他今天來這裡很多政客來這裡就是在騙人民嘛一直騙啊 |
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從來沒有人說過偽造文書是合法我們都認為違法 該辦就辦但是我們認為執法要公平不要讓人民造成寒蟬效應這個執法公平 我已經一再強調檢察官絕對是勿枉勿重 不分黨派 沒有一時的立場這個是要精神檢驗的謝謝部長部長講這些話是我心裡的話 但是我希望 |
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大家都能做到那另外其實剛剛吳孝遠也講錯一個東西他還沒講說韓國瑜罷免案然後什麼幾個死人連署其實我一直覺得奇怪偽造文書一個行為也是偽造文書啊這跟人數多少有什麼關係大家現在很喜歡比較啊罷蘭的死人連署比例多少罷綠的死人連署比例才多少所以你罷蘭的該死罷綠的好棒棒 |
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我覺得這莫名其妙嘛 犯罪行為 犯罪就犯罪啊 還要來比人數的高低更何況 甘吾士要來講錯啊韓國瑜案子 高雄地檢署的不起訴處分書他是認為罷免的那個收件的團體 他沒有這個辨識是否是違簽的這個能力嘛這跟數量比例這有什麼關聯性 |
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所以我覺得這些政客們最糟糕的就是他一直在誤導人民一直在帶風向亂扯一通他自己不是不懂但是就要讓自己假裝不懂然後來到處騙人民所以我現在看到的狀況然後我剛剛提到的就是說司法執行為什麼我們有很多意見因為司法的執行它有一個比例原則嘛手段目的的比例原則問題那我們現在認為說你今天你辦詐騙集團就沒有這麼用力這麼猛啦 |
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對不對然後你辦犯罪集團就沒有這麼用力這麼猛你辦那些財產犯罪的那些洗錢掏空的你就沒有從來沒有這麼猛這麼用力過但是你今天配合的政治人物在玩這些人的時候你忘了手段跟目的在法律上面有個最基本的東西叫做比例原則然後你就說這東西構成犯罪啊我可以不抓嗎但是你不是啊你今天 |
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大搜索然後大羈押然後我真的不知道在做什麼然後我覺得最離譜的是北檢北檢你搜索完國民黨的台北市黨部就算了你申請羈押黨部主委的理由竟然是因為他是那兩個黨工的 |
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的老闆所以他一定知情所以推定他知情所以被北院打臉嘛我現在講的是北院的裁定理由因為我沒有看卷但是我講的是北院的裁定理由我再補充一次我講的是北院的裁定理由不是我個人的臆測所以被打臉也是難怪啦 |
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不好意思我可能耽誤時間會比較多我們再提一下就是我想請問施部長 施部長不好意思我請教一個問題雖然我也是都蠻尊敬您的那您上次有提到就是我們在談那個行政中立的時候您有提到說就法律的精神政務官不可以動用公家資源去從事政黨活動跟政治活動我想這個沒有錯吧 |
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那我在這邊也再跟各位報告一件事我們的行政中立法他雖然沒有包含到政務官但是他的立法理由寫得很清楚政務官不是沒有行政中立的義務而是要另立專法部長我有沒有講錯 |
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沒有錯 我想委員上次有指教過立法說明所以我們這些政務官千萬不能說我沒有行政總理的義務而是今天 我不懂為什麼這麼多年下來 我們這個專法到現在還沒有立出來 |
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我們這次有做一個解凍的儀表板也就是說從3月21號政府公布的國家總預算到今天其實還沒有任何一個人送解凍的案子過來這個都有別於過往 |
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那以前喔 大家都是趕快來請立法院排解凍就到今天 大家都不送拖了一個多月 其實這個還蠻離譜但是我要跟各位報告一件事就像我們念法律 我們非常多的同學都現在在中央機關或是各地方的縣市機關他們會跟我們講實際情況是什麼啊 |
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那我們有認識一些比較熟的國會人士私下也會跟我們講就上面要求不可以送解凍案我自己的同學三四十年的好朋友同學在中央機關也是跟我們說上面交代不可以送解凍案這當然我不是說那個部長您那邊 |
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那就讓我一個心裡有個感覺是什麼時候開始政治人物政務官竟然可以拿公務員以及國人當肉票來為了他搞一個政治上面的攻擊一個大罷免什麼時候今天我們台灣走到這個地步了 |
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因為今天這些我的同學跟國會聯絡人不同的同學他們之間沒有在勾串啦他們跟我講的都是同一個答案上面交代不可以送解凍案什麼時候國家走到今天這樣把人民的權益把公務員的權益來當作是一個政治攻擊就是要讓大家不懂的人能夠痛恨 |
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非執政黨的立委我覺得國家怎麼會走到今天這個地步好 那今天執政院長出來叫大家趕快送 大家就狂送當時我同學跟我講說 我還笑我同學說哇 那你們下半年喔預算執行率很低 大家要狂花錢欸因為上半年一直跟公務員跟國人講說我們的預算都被刪了 都沒錢 什麼都不能做然後下半年不知道狂用預算嗎 我還在那邊笑他們但是我心裡是難過的 為什麼國家可以 |
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完全罔顧人民的權益及公務員的權利只為了政治鬥爭你也不用跟我說沒有這件事情這個事情也有公務員出來爆料我想說最近你們也都有看到很多公務員也都出來爆料說他們的單位叫他們不可以送那還有 |
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教育部的人跟我說 教育部的好朋友跟我說教育部不開冷氣告訴他們 因為被藍白三光預算 不能開冷氣我的問題是 你公務員幹了三十年欸我想請問你一個問題啊就算預算不夠用 也是年底的事啊為什麼年初就不夠用我都已經在騙人嘛 |
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我說從來沒有這樣子啊然後他們有的三業務費是30%或多少%結果我們希望你不要把業務費拿去養網軍養特定媒體結果你告訴你的公務員說人家不給你開冷氣不給你馬桶沖水變成這樣所以我跟他們講一個我自己 |
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跟他們講 用一個簡單的例子來比喻小孩子學壞 媽媽刪了他抽菸喝酒吃檳榔的零用錢就小孩子跑去跟爸爸說媽媽把我吃飯錢刪光了我快餓死了 我血糖低了結果呢 |
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即使媽媽把她的零用錢刪掉一部分她的零用錢還是全班最有錢這就是現在的民進黨政府她拿到史上最高的預算還是最有錢然後告訴你什麼基礎的事都不能做這是我自己看到還有就是 |
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我認為啦 如果藍白真的如同民進黨所說的爛三預算那你拿到應該是史上最低的總預算啊怎麼會是拿到史上最高的總預算呢這是一個人類最基本的邏輯啊我今天要亂砍你的錢 你拿到應該是史上最低啊 |
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我爸媽懲罰我小時候就是給我最少的零用錢讓我氣得要死啊怎麼會是我拿到史上最高的零用錢這都藍白亂算預算然後後來被人家掀出來說數字都沒有少還變多結果就說 欸怎麼不能留用開始這些鬼話全部都出來我現在看到的狀況都是這樣齁 |
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那最近發生很多事情就是你說沒衛生紙沒冷氣護照要用完一個一個被踢爆其實這都是讓我們人民對於政府的信任度真的越來越低啦更何況你辦護照還要繳費 |
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這兩天 今天有一個出來好像是哪一個部的他出來叫大家趕快補送預算結果他的通知是什麼請指示 以可將解凍報告發文自立法院什麼叫以可將 |
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那就是大家都準備好啦上面交代不可以送出來啊所以現在請大家宜可將這個可以開始送了那為什麼政府要這樣綁架全國的公務員跟罔顧全民的利益呢這樣這樣對嗎 |
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我覺得我自己很難過啦行政中立的部分我真的覺得還是希望不管政務官或一般的公務員真的要維持行政中立不是說不聽民進黨的新潮流人的話就是中共同步人所以最近呢陳水扁也變中共同步人啦林卓水也變中共同步人啦台大清大早就是中共同步人啦那我們只要不是投民進不支持民進黨的我們早就被貼什麼舔共什麼這國家已經走到今天這樣了耶 |
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然後本來行政中立是國家民主國家最根本一個骨幹的精神所以你看美國總統換成川普他國務院還是堅持他的做法就川普的政府那些人跟馬斯克說要刪美國政府30%的國家總預算怎麼沒有人說 |
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人民反而支持 結果沒有人民跳出來說你是不是中共同路人所以我覺得我們國家已經走到執政黨已經走到一個瘋狂的程度了甚至教育部長還出來說這罷免進入校園是言論自由什麼時候教育基本法已經被人這麼的不當一回事 |
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不好意思 最後給我兩分鐘司法院跟法務部司法院 我想請教一下你們去年去年政府公告總預算案是113年1月8號你記不記得司法院什麼時候送解凍案沒關係 時間關係我直接講司法院是113年1月19號 |
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1月8號公告市長院1月19號就開始送解凍案過來了那我想法務部長你可能也不知道法務部是1月30號就送來了而且一送來之後就解凍非常多解凍案只要一份報告來就解凍就今天我們政府是叫大家全部不要送解凍案因為讓大家痛恨覺得立法院就是爛三逸帥所以 |
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整整1381億卡了一個月真正讓行政自愛難行的是行政院院長自己所以我還是在這邊敬告政府啦就是很多事情只包不住火尤其是我們有很多同學都在各個中央機關他們都會跟我們講實話那也有很多人出來爆料所以 |
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我知道司法院跟你無關因為是行政院院長在幹這件事情但我覺得這蠻丟臉行政院院長為了要讓罷免能夠有效然後就開始搞這些東西我是覺得整兩個字叫丟臉行政院院長丟臉自己卡自己的預算然後要裝窮讓全國人來可憐他這個預算的問題我們再找時間跟委員做一個 |
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像那個檢察機關的那個那個做事統三的那個國內女會那部分已經發生了我跟你講部長你回去問你國兩司司長當時他想要出國立牌綜藝我跟你講我立牌綜藝就是要他們留下那些錢你不要搞錯你去問你的國兩司司長對然後你今天解凍案一個月都不送然後你是為了你的法務部好所以你一個月都不要送解凍案了解 |
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兩位我們先時間關係謝謝五位 |