| IVOD_ID |
160524 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160524 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T11:28:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T11:42:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc0a4231039b7f4e29d4d63fb5309bb2e639a3354dc8dbd3a62905b1f1929327f535ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:56 - 11:42:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、財政部次長就「國家社會福利政策財源檢討及偏鄉兒童發展篩檢執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月23日及24日二天一次會】） |
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我們請蘇清泉委員我們請財政部次長財政部次長委員好次長喔我要問你喔現在我們的菸煎跟菸碎那菸煎現在一包分多少 |
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一包我們的煙磚是多少?大概應該每一個就...一包20塊啊?差不多...十幾年沒去啊?就每一個...它等級不一樣啦,有些超過100塊的,有些是像我們有一個台灣煙酒的,大概都60幾塊都有 |
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煙稅是算一千支我們一千支一千五百九十塊所以一包二十支差不多三十塊差不多三十塊 |
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好,那我們一直在有人有鼓勵說宴宴又起雞,宴帥又起雞,長照的基金到齊,另外一台是反對,如果建功就這,就不會再死,沒人敢說也沒人敢說,但是我還是要講 |
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我們現在要葬煙間 葬煙隧 現在大部分的人都是抽抓煙 抓煙 在抗煙嘛啊 比較多都是勞動階級的啦 屬於便宜啦 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 齁 |
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這也是台灣菸酒有幾款廉價菸的原因當時也是考慮到那些藍領階級負擔能力的問題 |
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那現在有加熱煙跟電子煙因為我看都比較年輕比較文明的人其實比較高的人也會在吃的那一個煮小菜這樣看起來也比較水準比較高的感覺加熱煙跟電子煙到底是差在哪裡 |
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這可能比較專業可能要請衛福部來說明電子菸據我了解沒有經過核准是不能進來到處都是怎麼會沒有進來 |
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現在加熱室菸還沒有一家通過健康影響評估換句話說現在都還是不能進來所以進來的話我們把它當作是違法違信品 |
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因為有人說什麼加熱煙電池煙之後來抽稅的話可以一年抽200億,有這個事情嗎當然你增加的話當然你收入一定會增加嘛這個如果要給他歸納歸納要收稅是誰決定是你們決定還是要聯繫跟財政委員會要聯繫我覺得這個是可能主管機關主管機關可能 |
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這個是因為涉及到跨部會的事情可能就是還是要各跨相關的部會來做討論那當然也要跟社會做充分的溝通我想這個委員很清楚你的菸捐一年可以收到200多億嘛菸稅呢?菸稅我這邊的資料 |
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如果以用去年來看的話去年的話如果是加入長照的大概是264億如果沒有加入長照的是155億所以兩個加起來大概就是 |
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大概就是將近四百多億了四百多億 煙煎加煙稅四百多億那如果這些電子煙跟加熱煙也納進來的話那這個現在目前還不能 現在那個都假設性問題吳署長 現在這個東西要納進來說是你們衛福部跟國電署的意見 他們財政部使不上理由這回事嗎 |
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因為核定權在主管器官,所以我們還要尊重主管器官的做法署長回答一下 |
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謝謝召委那個電子菸大概是在預划是禁止的那麼加熱菸目前在審查還沒有通過那如果通過的話那麼它到底要扣多少稅因為原來房子有規定我們在預划還是要辦理那麼相關的稅間就跟現在的菸稅的每一支多少費用來扣稅那是還是要先過委員會 |
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那加熱煙跟電子煙好像添加物更多比紫煙還多那它產生的危害更大還有這個事情現在的紫煙它也有很多的添加物那未來目前審查的這個加熱式煙品那其中大部分都是有裡面都有一些添加物 |
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那你們這個什麼時候可以完成?審查什麼時候可以完成?目前就是尊重委員會的審查還在程序當中,還沒有完成好,那次長請回我請補充到健保署副署長市長好我們幾年的長照差不多有800萬人 |
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很多人的心事也不管,但是我們現在有錢沒錢,所以就站著站著,站著站著 |
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這是兩難我們台灣現在都低薪啦護理人員也是低薪上個禮拜有講的那個放射師啦什麼14個師我個人覺得那個都是低薪啦 |
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那我們這個資訊處處長他每天打書 做到急診科醫師沒辦法做 再來做處長那也是低薪 對吧每天被幹掉 那也是所以這個一定要加強啦你就要把長照基金的錢 除以公務預算一年這麼一點點錢那你要cover全台灣我就講一個就好啦 家人請外勞來顧的人 |
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23萬人,那一家店都沒辦法,一線都沒,一線都沒所以這個是很糟糕的那這個是,這個是我去恆春,恆春旅遊醫院,這要改名改回來啦部立恆春醫院啦,什麼旅遊醫院沒有旅遊就不用去看是不是 |
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改這個名字是有點問題啊現在人們一直懷疑整個恆春的人都跟我激烈的懷疑說希望部長你趕緊證明回來反正恆春旅遊醫院他85%都是服務在地的旅遊的人太少太少了旅遊會出事的人很少不到2%嘛都是外商好啦我現在要講的是你這個那個那個照料的評估你現在說幾個店 |
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幾個團隊還有多少地方沒有找了的點是我們屏東有四間門在做我告訴你都會去的都沒問題小孩子來做都沒問題現在最糟糕的是離島還有偏鄉還有山上這些一到五都找不到人 |
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都是要6日 而且是整部車這樣 欸人家醫生修理科 復健科 社工車車 兩車車 三到那邊然後現在掌握最好的是誰 |
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林頂 川頂 川頂還沒有 林頂最準林頂的這個林 十毫 二十毫對一個孩子這樣比較慢 反應比較慢的 他們都很清楚所以他們都要去找林頂的這個可以半個禮拜四去 |
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那你們每次去評估的錢,跟在醫院等病人的是一樣,要加息啦,對不對?這個地方要加息,不然的話這些,你看你,有機率沒搞,就是lost在那邊。那一個政府的搶不搶,就是看他在偏鄉離島醫療的水準有沒有拉起來。 |
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你在都會區 台北市每間都去到水洋洋就不要管他 就讓他自由競爭 每間都護理堂皇你要看看你的偏鄉醫療 如果你的水準夠 你就是一個先進我們兩個人已經做得不錯啦 但是還可以做得更好那你健保幾戶 三十分鐘一個療程嘛 對不對太少了啦 |
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剛剛林業勤也有講我現在做社會檢查我是有很多人聽大家一直說你也有很多 |
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因為孩子的情緒不穩定 等到他穩定已經過十分鐘了那開始治療 現在最糟糕的是ST啦就是原治療 喔 那個是缺的一塌糊塗每一個小孩子要做原治療半小時都要排好幾個禮拜我常常 建民醫代表來跟我講都說你會插隊啦 |
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醫院治療師的診診也沒有多遠啊你比較多也好啊所以你幾戶這裡休館 四天加班 我覺得這都很重要啦所以這也不是你一天加班 現在今年很多錢啊在那個時總樑啊 請問大家能不能大力去張羅 |
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張羅很多經費回來我們大家全部的寄望都在這裡這樣也要調人家調調我只覺得這一兩年所有的醫療院所的結餘全部都來調薪資我覺得這也是應該把這些我們的醫事相關人員的薪水提高最好一個人拿到六萬七萬八萬都好啊整個拉起來不然的話留不住人啊是是是 |
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尤其語言治療,你回去研議30分鐘是不是加長一點,然後點數高一點這沒有多少錢,好不好好,這個我們馬上給你這個很重要啦,然後剛剛那個王育民講的長照保險,我在第八屆有提的 |
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結果那時候那個蔡英文很虛偽,不來,全部撥去到現在來,時空背景應該可以因為現在再來,花的錢越來越多老人越來越多,一年要兩千億那你現在用公務預算才八百多億,遠遠不足啦你沒有廣覆蓋嘛,所以這個是可以來 |
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來討論當然在野黨是希望說這個民生法案從長照保險能把他推過去我是個人是覺得這個當然是理想就是朝野大家要有共識啦這個跟政黨無關 我要再跟部長強調這個鄉村生理培訓部立恆春醫院 聽起來多爽什麼恆春理兒醫院 |
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跟部長強烈建議醫護會我請醫護會醫護會不來啦我派這個第一副執行長剛才去離島回來而已來跟我們關心醫療的蘇昭偉回應一下 |
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謝謝趙偉對我們恆春醫院的關心的確沒有錯就像趙偉講的恆春醫院大部分的服務是在地的民眾當初其實是屏東醫院的分院所以它已經更名過一次變成恆春旅遊醫院後續的名稱的問題我們回去再妥慎來演繹 |
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省立屏東醫院恆春館後來再改成省立恆春醫院屬立恆春醫院恆春旅遊醫院後來再改成旅遊醫院這最近才改的嘛旅遊醫院應該很久了 |
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我們該做部立恆春醫院沒有啦我們來NE啊部長加油謝謝謝謝我們蘇召偉的發言也謝謝部長這邊的答詢 |