| IVOD_ID |
160523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160523 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T11:22:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T11:34:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc07be1526c7c61d45d7fe8c6252e35fc4a9a3354dc8dbd3a622bf7ee431a5d15725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:59 - 11:34:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及衛生福利部首長就「美國實施進口產品國安調查對我國產業之影響及因應之道」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 是不是有請經濟部郭部長國安會高副主委好 部長跟高副主委委員好部長您好 部長第一個問題請教就是說881對受到關稅影響的這個製造業我們提供政府的協助嘛那你要通過特別條例特別條例之後這個政策上路你要產生效果會有一定的時限 |
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那有沒有考慮說我們最實質的這個對中小企業跟傳統製造業受到關稅影響的這些產業最實質的幫助而且立即生效了就針對他們成本降低啦成本降低齁 兄弟接著就說水田的經驗有可能嗎水田齁 佔人的成本是多少而已這樣嗎你說比方說啦齁 比較耗能 |
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金屬扣件 他們有可能是這麼做的嗎所以我們這樣是用這個EXCO就是節能減碳的方法 但是那個會有點久 第二 沒沒沒第二喔 這個骨的褻皮 骨的褻心喔 |
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這個太舊煥新我們有這種的這個比較嚴格的標準你可以分不同的類別譬如說你現在已經產生虧損了產生虧損你就降低它的減免 它的稅墊報告員 我的部分我們現在做到你剛才所質詢的我為材料 |
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有它的銀行有它的這個設備這三個構面來降低它的成本所以我現在知道我們要統購之後來發給他們 |
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對於他們來說這個受衝擊最大的就是傳統製造業所以我們有一些是比較耗水耗電比較耗水耗電的我說這個你要索賀要怎麼讓他們解決藍莓之急水電的經驗是可以讓他們馬上把成本降低 |
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你也可以輸課一下對 它是舊的設備才會這樣子但是那個是耗能的我們認為它可以趁這個機會我們有其他的這個預算可以幫助它太舊換新對 這邊開啟它主連 它用的水跟電就更加舊講到這個問題我繼續來請教對中小企業轉型你說那個簡簡單單是轉型嘛是轉型轉型你看你4月4號的發布的版本 |
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這個基本上是由以小代大以大代小以大代小那你4月20新的版本卻把這個門檻就把它提高你看這個所以這是不是能夠增加補助的資金跟項目那你現在這一次的880億裡面對於這些傳統製造業它的補助的條件跟資格也比較嚴格一點 |
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所以這部份是不是你會再去處理看看這個我們是從寬從簡從速的處理所以那個部分只要它能夠檢據有事實我們就認定所以報告委員如果你的這個譬如說有發現有這樣的這個我們的 |
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同仁對這方面認知不夠那有造成困擾的話麻煩你通知我們我們都可以馬上去你四月七日提出的方案你還有以大帶小的方式把沒有輸美實際的業者也一併大陸補助範圍 |
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那現在你4月21號就把這個罰除掉你無需不需要有疏寧包括你是間接疏寧的我們都承認但是你4月21號把這個取消了喔沒關係啦我都從觀認定啦因為在這裡會有人問啊市委先生你說可以現在說不行不需要在臥底上面可能要去跟齁跟一些中產企業他們有出了他有一些認知上的不同喔但是現在已經變成更嚴格了 |
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我們會 他如果有問題他可以打電話到我們的Code Center或者是我們的馬上辦服務中心他們都不打給你們 都直接打給我是喔 你就要叫他們打給我們啦那委員造成你的困擾比較不好意思但是我們馬上辦服務中心喔 最多一天啦最多一天一定回答他的問題 |
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國發會的報告裡面對鋼鐵跟鋁材啊他說這個對我國是相對有利啦齁你那個報告是這樣寫齁對 其實我們也是參考經濟部的報告因為之前我直接問產發署署長 邱署長你山葉你比較了解那個傳統山葉那個真的是對台灣相對有利嗎 |
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你那個鋼鐵跟鋁材包括下游的金屬扣減也是呢?這是相對的因為我們在川普1.0的時候對鋼鋁已經課徵國安關稅但是那時候有10個國家被豁免台灣沒有被豁免 |
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可是這一次川普2.0的時候,他把這10個國家全部都拉進來,變成大家拉平,大家保證有講過啊,我們台灣不敢緊張啊,我們大家要把他拍白啊,這次我們覺得鋼鋁把他拍白,我們台灣等到相對有利。鋼鐵工業也是這麼認為嗎?這個是我們問過業者以後, |
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就一路這樣我們這樣從北到南這樣去問業者大家業者是認為說只要給我們公平的這個競爭的機會這個我們是有機會所以整個鋼鐵跟鋁材的產業是有相對有利的相對川普1.0的時候是有10個國家豁免相對有利我們要講清楚這樣比較了解下一個議題就是說關於半導體半導體這個可能部長最清楚 |
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就我們並沒有針對這個企業來協助有一個系統性的來模擬美國國安的調查機制美國國安調查機制有它的程序有很多他們在貿易談判有很多的業者全部都參與 |
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譬如說有一些媒體做一個很詳細的報導就是說他在跟各國在針對貿易在談判的時候有很多的這個企業界代表都有列席表達意見那我們好像沒有這個系統性的怎麼樣去協助企業能夠模擬美國國安調查機制讓他們了解整個國安機制的這個流程那我們才能做相關的因應做準備 |
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報告委員我們對於這個命題我們是非常的關注我們的貿易署也有針對這個我們有做對廠商可以個別的聯絡我們也會在今天事實上我們在今天下午 |
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也會開座談會這個座談會包括國內的業者包括國外的業者也就是說美國的客戶在台灣的廠商我們找他們一起來針對232這一題大家進入比較深層所以調查流程他這樣調查他的流程我們都有掌握嗎有我們都了解那對於他們我們有沒有可能建立風險預警機制 |
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針對未來可能敏感項目去及早掌握及早預防有所有該防範的該這個提早掌握的部分我們都有在進行那包括這個有一些包括什麼洗產地的啦或者是飛鴻供應鏈等等這一些事實上我們早就在運作 |
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這有沒有做一些模擬演練 沙盤推演有嗎 我是希望說你們拿出一個沙盤推演跟產業界來合作 你那個特定供應鏈這些類型你要有一個模擬推演的模式 讓產業界能夠參與我們會針對 譬如說各種不同的 譬如說這個 |
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不同類的半導體類的一種智慧型手機的一種電腦的手機一種電子零組件的一種大概分成幾個不同的項目然後我們都每一個場次去傾聽業者的想法那麼他們碰到的狀況是怎麼樣其實部長我只是提那個想法而已可能更要積極請他們參與 |
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你做任何供應鏈這個模擬演練做到衝擊應該有相關的產業進入而不是聽他們聲音而已不是我們當然會判斷這個就是說基本上因為我們跟美國在這個科技的產品上面是高度的互補 |
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高度的互補大部分美國的user的六大科技公司占我們這個出口的這個大概500億美金所以對他們來講這個稅是課在他們身上而且第二個我們有很多的廠商是做EMS做代工的客戶也是他們現在部長你這個我們對美採購的清單現在還在積極盤點當中嗎有訂單的嗎 |
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對門採購的清單還是動態那個是行政院副院長的工作 |
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他是谈判的我们只是提供我是想了解进度对面采购的清单是怎么样那个部分就是在进行中的这个过程另外啦基于国际惯例是不宜我了解我可以理解但是调整非关税障碍跟这个我们怎么样降低这个出口动能的下降这个部分基本上我们不会降低出口动能 |
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這個出口動能一定會受到影響嘛我們不會因為美國的這些科技產品對我們的依賴度是非常高的所以我們不會說給我們訂單我們不出口這是跟委員報告所以我們在這個分子的部分分母不變情況之下我們在分子的部分所以您認為出口動能不會下降不會因為說川普的關稅政策讓台灣出口動能下降我們會買進口的東西多一點 |
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不會下降可是很多經濟學家都認為說我們台灣又有匯率的問題又有我們貨幣政策的問題又大量粗糙這個未來在談判的過程中會比較辛苦我們會大量我們就粗糙啦我們粗糙的部分就是說我們進口少然後出口多啦但是我們現在出口不變的情況下我們進口多一點 |
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有的說台灣會是跟對美談判中 辛苦的國家之一你覺得不懂 我看你很樂觀 樂觀所以我們不會是對美談判很辛苦的國家相對是比較輕鬆的國家我不是談判成員 但是我相當樂觀 |