| IVOD_ID |
160499 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160499 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T10:22:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T10:28:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc0e69918ae1935387265a835c60a672e2887b5e96e7cd6ee72174afd410f84480c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:12 - 10:28:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員王鴻薇等24人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、審查委員林思銘等22人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
五、審查委員魯明哲等17人擬具「社會秩序維護法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
六、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、審查委員邱若華等19人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
八、審查委員邱若華等19人擬具「社會秩序維護法第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
九、審查委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「社會秩序維護法第九條條文修正草案」案。
十、審查委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「社會秩序維護法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
十一、審查委員魯明哲等18人擬具「社會秩序維護法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
【詢答及處理】
【4月23日及24日兩天一次會】） |
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主席 我們請劉部長 張署長劉部長 張署長有請薛文豪部長好 還有署長好部長 我星期一詢問您去年的12月20號青鳥在立法院外集結那一些民進黨的立委毀損公務叫說青鳥衝進立法院我當時問你的是請問你有沒有把他們移送 |
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你回答我說因為立法院不是禁制區我當然知道立法院不是禁制區我問你的是有沒有把他們移送可是你回答我立法院是不是禁制區如果不是狀況外就是你在包庇誰我想請教署長12月20號衝突後你們有沒有把誰移送法辦除了宗家兵委員 |
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好 10月20號那個這一場是由台北市政府警察局來做一個執行那因為這個每一場的這個群眾活動都會跟現場的這個這個市政來做處理那這裡面看起來就是他們處理這個中加兵委員的這個他們檢視的這一些的一個相關的一個市政是沒有在做其他繁重其他的這個人員所以只移送中加兵委員 |
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請這部長看一下影片我們是講道理的人但是當有人不講道理的時候當有人不講道理的時候我們也不要沉默然後再來 請各位保持體力今天 今天的時間還很漫長我們甚至很不容易感受到 |
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我們沒有要來這裡跟任何人起肢體衝突今天最高的和平原則最高的和平目標署長 |
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剛剛影片中你看到破壞貨欄有好幾位喔那為什麼只移送宗嘉賓委員一人其他人呢那依照劉部長的標準的話應該是全部都要移送啊 |
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沒有 這個部分我們會依照市政再來做滾動式的一個檢討從去年12月20到現在從去年12月20到現在 莊家兵委員都已經出庭過一次了你們到現在還要滾動式的檢討 了解現場的狀況這影片網路上到處都是好 您再看一下這個照片 就是 |
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除了宗家立委員破壞柵欄之外還有不少的民進黨的立委也協助青鳥推倒護欄要衝進立法院那請問一下署長這樣有沒有違法那這個部分因為要衡量現場的這個狀況那我給你看一段影片你衡量一下民進黨立委到立院外不斷教授要青鳥進入院內場面一度混亂 |
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跨上柵欄 一個右勾拳青鳥把員警架住突破第一道防線青鳥跟警方拉扯柵欄用跨的抽不了後方有人踩在椅上像直接一個馬步跨過去甚至另一頭有人試圖用繩子想突破 |
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好我們現在看到這段影片很多的民進黨的委員都在叫說協助青鳥衝進立法院現場還有出現青鳥勒住遠景還有破壞柵欄衝撞遠景的狀況這樣有沒有違法那我想這個是構成要件跟程度的問題就是說這樣子還沒有構成要件整個的一個狀況是不是跟這個有沒有達到已經就是這個整個構成要件那我們想會跟事實的狀況來做一個認定 |
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那請問一下當天警政署有沒有移送守謀 |
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那天沒有沒有沒有為什麼如果依照部長的要求沒有那些召集的人的一個受政的這個狀況沒有單獨的一個首謀一個情形單獨的那一天的那一天的申請那一天申請是有有申請核准的一個主要的主辦人但是可以衝撞嗎可以破壞公務嗎可以叫說大家衝進立法院嗎那我想這個因為群眾活動的樣態非常多這是會衡量現場的這個狀況來做一個處置那所以署長你現在準備怎麼處理 |
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已經從去年12月20到現在那我想就是還是我們還是尊重台北市政府檢察局的這個根據這個現場的狀況來做一個處置因為部長我想在受訪的時候有提到說在我們4月17號當天在場的全部應該都要移送甚至部長也受訪的時候也提到說他會請警方將首謀朱立倫主席跟教育界委員這個移送那請問一下 |
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部長 您有沒有對媒體說這些話 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想委員可能沒有了解我在對媒體受訪時候的全文的部分我在開始講的時候就有提到說我們按照集會遊行法裡面的相關規範那如果你有觸犯到集會遊行法的相關規範的話我們按照規範來處理那你有沒有說我會請警方移送首謀朱立倫主席跟謝榮介委員這個是在部長您知道嗎您已經是有史以來第一個內政部長指揮員警辦案的錯 |
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您是第一個報告委員我剛有提到我們是根據集會遊行法那集會遊行法的主管機關是內政部但是檢察官沒有這個職權 |
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妳內政部長不該下這種指導棋我沒有下指導棋我是根據 對不起我是根據原先他們所提供的事項來對媒體所回應的你怎麼可以說要要求警方這個將守謀這個是斷章取義 |
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這沒有斷章區域 這是你自己受訪的那所以你就做出這個斷章區域嘛所以在這個部分我希望署長你要積極偵辦去年12月20號的這個青鳥衝撞立法院還有一些民進黨委員教唆他們衝進立法院不要只有辦藍不辦綠因為現在的標準大家看起來都是辦藍不辦綠請問署長可以嗎這個部分我們交給他被施政務局來處理好 謝謝 |
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好 |