| IVOD_ID |
160497 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160497 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-23T10:06:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-23T10:14:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/27ac2f54fdf75cc01924cb1e5f2294cf65a835c60a672e2887b5e96e7cd6ee7274881cda51d8a84a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:58 - 10:14:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員王鴻薇等24人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、審查委員林思銘等22人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
五、審查委員魯明哲等17人擬具「社會秩序維護法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
六、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、審查委員邱若華等19人擬具「社會秩序維護法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
八、審查委員邱若華等19人擬具「社會秩序維護法第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
九、審查委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「社會秩序維護法第九條條文修正草案」案。
十、審查委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「社會秩序維護法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
十一、審查委員魯明哲等18人擬具「社會秩序維護法第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
【詢答及處理】
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哎呦,柏中你站在那裡啊好,來我在執行前,我想先那個今天有各部會的代表的,請先舉手一下來,各部會各部會的代表啊,請先舉手一下你看,好多隻手喔好,請放下 |
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我為什麼要特別先這樣子你知道嗎這個社會秩序違法牽扯到的部會真的非常多啦非常多而且有一些法令各部會其實都有訂專法都已經在處理了是不是啊各部會你們可以點頭或什麼就好啦 |
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我幫他們回應了,有了沒有,我有在看他們在點頭了因為各部會其實也有訂專法在處理我想請問一下部長或是署長如果這些業務量又回來你們這邊你們覺得你們有這個辦法去處理嗎? |
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真的沒辦法剛剛委員也講這是包山包海我覺得已經特別法已經有規範就用適用特別法來做適用那設置法是一個普通法所以現在你現在去做執行也是適用的這些效果是特別法適用這些特別法那這個設置法是一個普通法如果有不足的話才是在設置法那我是覺得檢查工作真的要讓他專精不然每一樣都包山包海做每一樣都做不好 |
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沒有錯而且喔如果都回來這裡喔不是你們派人出去之後他如果違反你們還要要不要開單你們還要處理很多後續的行政作業對沒有錯是不是是啊這個比你派警員出去你後續的這些文書作業你反而更需要更多的人力吧沒有錯沒有錯嗎好那我們從這次的修法我也看 |
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我真的覺得有一點奇怪你知道嗎這個可能各位同仁大家要思考一下在各部會裡面的專法裡面他都有罰款了那我們今天很多的修法裡面啊你罰款比人家本來的罰都還少啊你去訂這個有什麼意義 |
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我不直接講哪個委員的法案啦但人家明明其他的法律裡面他罰的錢都比較多那我們今天又來修這一個法結果罰的比較少 |
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這我不知道意義何在 這個是要累死你們警察我來報告一下 你現在修的這個法管確實是比那個專法少所以現在逮到黃牛也不會用設置法來採法 是用那個專法來採啊對啊 所以那個專法 你比方講像文創的那個那個是五十倍的一個法 幾十萬欸 |
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那這些你如果增加到那個設置法頂多是增加我看那裡面有增加到三萬多塊你沒辦法是用設置法還是還是用專法來罰署長我就是要問你這個那如果回到這個設置法之後有這個問題 |
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那民眾如果報案如果什麼,那你們警察要不要開判?沒辦法用設置法罰,抓到的話還是用專法來處罰沒辦法用設置法處罰你還是要回去原來的專法處罰那所以我就點出了這個不是很奇怪的一個修法嗎? |
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這個真的是多此一舉耶我不知道署長你們整個的看法所以我們看法就是建議不修正建議不修正啦我們看法就是這剛剛部長已經有報告就是這個建議不修正因為你修的話也沒有用啊修的話沒辦法適用啦不是我發現啦齁 |
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有看出來這個問題的也不是只有我啊是很多人都有發現了這個問題啊那我們如果這樣子我真的是我覺得啦這個法如果通過齁就是累死你們警察而已全國的警察會痛死啦報告委員通過也沒辦法適用啦通過還是適用專法通過也是 |
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擺盜的黃牛還是用專法因為現在沒有用設置法比如想像現在的這個比較前的小巨蛋的演唱會啦或者是大巨蛋的這些的那個棒球啦都分別有這個文創法跟運動賽事的專法在適用這些黃牛都有適用也沒有在適用設置法你設置法再定個再多幾萬兩萬三萬那也沒辦法適用設置法還是適用專法 |
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我當然知道是適用做法所以我說是類似你們警察而已啊你們警察也無所適從啊是不是如果大家要就責又說警察這個設置法裡面有你們警察又不處理外界不了解法律的內容沒有錯那是類似你們警察而已啊而且喔你剛講的那些還是部分 |
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阿如果噪音防治法咧一樣啊那個狀況是相同的不是喔那個案件可能比演唱會多上千倍上萬倍喔沒有錯那你怎麼處理我們現在的這個狀況大概就是兩個單位就是環保跟警察嘛那現在有一些就是警察的部分現在平常講啦警察到場去處理噪音大概都是只有嵌倒啦 |
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那你如果要法的話真正要法都是在噪音管制法的環保單位他有儀器我們警察也沒辦法說透過這個聽這個是屬於噪音或怎樣只是說你這個停止所以這個等於是 |
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如果民眾要聽就聽,不聽的話也沒有辦法,因為也沒有這些良策的這一期沒有錯啊,但如果又回到這個法裡面,人才要不要處理?要不要去?要去啊阿對啊,阿你要去又沒辦法辦任何事所以如果說未來,如果要更建立,我也強力建立要在專法裡面去做修訂 |
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對啦 從專法 從噪音管制法的專法去做修訂對啦 才辦了涵括全部我舉這幾個例子是說齁如果這樣子齁 這個法今天修了的話齁不僅達不到目的啦累死我們警察弟兄啦而且最主要的是你到時候執法的時候沒有一個標準你會讓警察弟兄被人家罵這個是我擔心的啦 署長 |
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目前如果以噪音的這個部分一定是沒有標準因為每個同仁去的聽了到底是不是噪音所以現在的這個裁決大概都是只有勸導我們沒有這些應用設置法來做處罰現在如果真的要開單在地方政府他是環保局派人去量測什麼什麼的然後有車子去那才能夠真正的第一線馬上 |
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法啊然後那個警察局是沒有辦法的我舉這個例子是說如果噪音也要警察管你們警察反正我每天都報案都有噪音警察光這個警察就其他事都不用做了啦所以我還是覺得啦這個啊要不要修這個法大家要仔細的想一下我個人也認為修是多此一舉沒有用的啦好謝謝啦 |
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好謝謝 |