| IVOD_ID |
160443 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160443 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-22T15:01:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-22T15:17:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfcb33c81b5f4f3f6a70ac451e596a6a75b01fba8380de05328b61d8df1607bee845366a77bfd4645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:01:27 - 15:17:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月18日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月22日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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請外交部來說明 複雜的印製所以你也不清楚嘛好 那我直接講 請說去年 |
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我們根據歷年來的印製護照量我們去年確實是規劃印製180萬本所以去年預計規劃是180萬本然後你們其實護照過去都是不夠的時候會有加印而且常常會比如說現在不夠了那就再加印再加印 |
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這個沒有錯嘛昨天林佳龍部長也有說所以確實我們在去年的時候規劃的是180萬本而不是後來追加的209萬本好那再來呢根據2024年的估算值呢其實跟林佳龍部長說的只能印185萬本差不多不是嗎所以209萬這個數字是在什麼時候才增加出來的 |
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好 報告委員 先講2024的時候我們總共是印製了285萬本那209萬本是根據今年1月到4月總共 180萬吧 前面對 現在180萬本嘛 209萬本是什麼時候決定 |
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根據需要我們一定要因為我要節省工廠我們不能一下印太多那什麼時候決定改成從一百八改成兩百零九萬本你具體告訴我的時候最近不是因為一到四月我們的使用的護照大概用了七十幾萬本那根據這個一到四月七十萬本我們預估今年會使用到兩百零九萬本所以這件事情跟商運算有什麼關係啊 |
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本來你就是可以印185萬本然後呢實際上面你的預算可以印180萬本只差5萬本而已你在4月的時候增加變成要加印到209萬本那也是事後的事情了不是嗎那也是在所謂的預算之後所發生的事情不是嗎你剛剛的時序講得非常的清楚就是如此啊 |
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好那再来呢如果说过去好我要问下一个问题了过去2023年的这个护照护照的编列预算2023年2023年那可以印几本2023年 |
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2023年我們本來原來編列了6億多可以印130多萬本但是後來因為那個不足因為COVID-19的關係所以後來有很高的需求量對不對對因為那個COVID-19結束之後那個需求突然暴增所以原本預計印幾本後來印了幾本後來印製348萬本本來預計印幾本 |
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本來預計136萬本所以從136萬本變成348萬本那中間那個數字呢是用什麼樣的方式支出的照我們來說預算不夠啊沒有錢啊對 |
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應該是後來有追加預算去把它印出來追加預算?我們本來應該在裡面的業務費印出來院長,你隔壁的市場說是用追加預算的方式你們確定嗎?追加就是我們裡面的業務費有公主的費用是嗎?我們看一下 |
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你們是用第二日備金做支出啊剛剛都在跟我胡扯亂講一通啊一百一十二年度動用了第二日備金的九億兩千四百五十萬一千元來支應所以我的意思是說如果你們四月的時候你的估值需要加印一百八十萬的本本的部分不夠的話你當然可以像之前一樣動用第二日備金有錯嗎院長 |
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第二預備金的使用有它法定的原因跟項目當然 可是問題是 院長剛才他所說囉 他說原本我們今年度的預算是要編180萬本是4月的時候才追加到需要209萬本所以本來就不含在預算裡面的話那請問是不是如果你要加印 是動用第二預備金就像是當時疫情過後那個樣子 |
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你有剛剛有聽到說嗎是四月的時候才認為有加印的需求在去年年度編列預算的時候是認為說呢只需要一百八十萬本而已跟最後的一百八十五萬本相差不多所以額外新增在四月新增的部分是不是動用預備金可以做呢為什麼不做跟委員報告第二預備金使用有他的法定的條件原因那如果這個預算 |
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上次用的這個預算是用到是業務費用沒有錯如果他裡面自己的業務費用足夠我們看業務費用如果足夠的話可以使用對不對來我問一下去年113年我們編列我們招標了180萬的晶片護照是花了多少錢來次長 |
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去年我們編了多少?180萬本的晶片護照去絕標出去嗎?我這邊看到是去年我們總共印了285萬本不是啦,我問的今年我們花了我們印了180萬本的絕標,這個部分是多少錢?9億9千萬 |
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是7億3嘛因為9億是你整個總預算編列的金額但是你們當初4月絕標的時候180萬本的部分是7億3我意思是說你們如果連我問這麼清楚的數字都搞不清楚的話國人這麼關心這個議題你要大家怎麼去信任你們呢好然後再來去年預算書我們今年的預算書我們對護照的印製編列金額是多少你剛剛已經講了就是9.9億嘛對不對 |
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好 那一般事務費統三百分之十之後在這個項目裡面還有多少能夠使用的請問 院長你剛剛問一般業務費在這個項目裡面還有多少錢可以用一般業務費被統三百分之十之後這個外交部還有多少的金額可以是這個護照的部分嘛剛剛你算啊 我們來算數學嘛剛剛講說我們有編了9.9億沒有錯吧 |
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對 編了9.9億之後 事務費統三百分之十之後 剩下多少8.9億吧 蘇玄沒有錯吧 8.9億之後扣掉了7.3億的180萬本護照之後 剩下多少1億多好 1.58億嘛 一本護照的平均成本是多少400多嘛 所以除下來你還有39萬本可以印耶 |
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你們自己根本數學都沒有算清楚所以在那邊胡講一些東西讓大家都覺得說哎呀是因為什麼預算的問題不是是因為你們數學根本不好的問題喔在接下來我要問下一個問題了關稅談判那個 |
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我一再強調很多預算預算本身被刪的部分或是沒有刪 |
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我問的就是晶片護照的部分而已嘛我今天只針對晶片護照你從過去本來規劃的180萬本 |
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四月多了這個變成209萬本你不去使用二倍金你四月才多出來你不去使用二倍金就算了你還想用一般業務費一般業務費我算給你看還可以額外有39萬本的餘額你不用告訴我們說你印不出十月就印不出護照了這不是沒有邏輯的一個事情嗎你不要跟我去扯其他的部分我現在只有問國人昨天點閱率最高最關心的護照 |
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39萬本為什麼不印預算也許沒有影響到但是很多的業務費被刪掉之後要來做這項工作的業務費甚至包括人事費用都被刪減了我給你看啦還有39萬本的扣打是可以印的嗎你還有1.58億耶你的統商之後還有那我問你嘛是不是還有1.58億來 有或沒有 |
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外交部在執行發包的時候他們非常的節儉非常的用心把它縮下來了所以過去180萬本的這個部分在今年4月有做決標嘛決標之後才新增了要變成209萬本嘛 |
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但是209萬本的這個數字即使在今年你們在錯估的時候他們當時編沒有編那麼多本現在要增加之後你還是有多出1.58億的業務費可以印39萬本的護照 |
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那為什麼不做呢所以好了兩個結論第一你可以用業務費來使用對不對第二有39萬本報告委員我們並沒有不做我現在講說現在預算正好是我們沒有說你不做我是說你們說有缺啊你們是說10月份就印不出來啦但是我算給你看並不是這樣嘛所以兩個管道第一業務費還有剩餘1.58億 |
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第二 如果真的不夠的話法定的第二預備金過去你們就是這樣做的接下來我要問關稅談判的問題我們呢 延了這個90天所以我們也希望政府能夠一切談判順利但是我想要問一下我們現在目前有沒有在做具體的影響評估報告給民眾跟產業 院長我們跟產業界舉行了 |
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市場 民眾 民眾我知道產業界有舉行 一般的民眾我們提供了190線的專線電話專線電話讓我們自己打進去就對了那另外支持這個產業的880億你會不會覺得過於保守我們是衡量事情發生之後各種 |
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第一推估 剛高推估 後來是高的推估所算出來的 現在產業界也認為在某些項目上應該要開始 我認為應該要提高 而且我會支持那再來呢 我要問說 那既然你們說都有評估嘛還有專線可以打電話進去嘛 那我想問喔 因為 |
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三十多趴 雖然他現在延九十天可是他們其實規定裡面有一個基礎的基本的百分之十那仍然會對每一個國家都造成攻擊 包括中華民國那我請問一下 你們說你們有評估那在基礎關稅十趴的狀況下 我是台北市的立委我想要請教 主要會受到影響的產業大概你們分析評估有哪一些 |
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大的產業還是在我們在台北市的產業要往美國的大宗物品當中電子通訊業這個為主就是包括它的顯示卡制服器等等這個才是影響最大的其他有關係的就是未來我們進行 |
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排除非關稅貿易障礙的農產品農產品的部分我列為很重要的談判的內容那這樣子的一個10%的衝擊就你們的評估占台北市的營業額百分之多少你們有評估過嗎針對各縣市的評估 |
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我手上是沒有針對各縣市評估的沒有針對各縣市去評估只有全國性沒有各縣市因為每一個縣市他產業發展不一樣他所會在10%或32%的關稅衝擊上也完全不一樣所以您今天告訴我的是沒有針對區域去做評估只有全國去做評估 |
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不同產業可是每一個縣市的他的產業別跟他的產業比例跟他的產業人數都不一樣啊如果你只做全國性的跟產業別的沒有針對縣市的話我認為是不夠的院長你不覺得嗎那我們會在這個談判到最終要定案之前如果他是一個 |
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我告訴您 實際上我已經去算了針對台北市 總計營業額會影響5%左右影響到的業者大概有2800多家還有年營收會影響到台北市的9200億元這個是在10%的金儲關稅之下所算出來的數字 |
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所以我希望我們在評估的時候不要只針對產業別然後全國性的評估也應該針對每一個縣市去做評估這樣子會更精確的在後期談判的時候能夠更精確的做出決定好嗎院長這個部分應該可以吧 |
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各縣市不同的狀況 談判桌來講好像不是那麼急迫但是我會要求我們做這樣的評估這最基本都要有的嘛 全國性的 產業性的 然後區域性的不都應該分成三個階層嗎現在變成我們國家台北 台中 高雄各種不同的衝擊這個放到未來談判桌來談的機會應該是不大 |
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因為你不是剛剛有講專線嗎那我是台北市的市民我要問說那對台北市的影響有多大的時候那請問電話客服人員要怎麼回答我啊他根本沒有相關的數據嘛你是什麼樣的產業那你目前訂單有沒有什麼削減那我們要來問下一個問題 |
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針對台灣跟美國之間的關稅談判我們可以看到日本首相他是非常強硬的表態包含他說過守護日本的農業然後美債不宜當關稅談判標的日本人的軍費日本人自己決定匯率要按照公平原則安全貿易不應該一起討論我想請問一下 |
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日本他很具體的向美國說明他們的要求跟底線我想問一下關於關稅貿易壁壘的問題如果美國要求不得標示非基因改造食品行政院這裡會同意嗎 |
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我們這次談判的原則也是爭取國家最大利益維持產業國際競爭力所以有可能會同意排除這個關稅貿易障礙的這個議題裡面有非常多項我剛剛就指問你基因改造食品工業的項目當中我們可以合理討論工業的部分在雙方接觸底下四個原則要得標示美豬牛的產地這個部分我們會堅守嗎這個原則第一個國人的健康最優先所以剛剛講兩個你們都會堅守嘛 |
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啊 |