| IVOD_ID |
160434 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160434 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-22T09:50:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-22T10:06:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dfcb33c81b5f4f3ff0e884b30dd814d675b01fba8380de0555eb7f182ac3ad9577988f7de2833a605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林宜瑾 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:11 - 10:06:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月18日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月22日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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議員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 有請卓院長 內政部 劉部長還有陸委會邱主委麻煩請卓院長 內政部 陸委會備選時間暫停跟林委員報告我們就是以三位為主因為我們硬體設備就這樣如果要第四位部長上來我們再請一個部長先下去好嗎就以三位為主好 請咨詢好林委員好 |
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院長好院長首先還是先在我進入我今天準備的主題之前先請教您一下因為籃板亂山亂洞這個總預算案那導致很多機關沒有辦法正常運作所以我們最擔心的就是說很多的這個 |
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正常的這個預算沒辦法執行所以院長早上你有說要院裡頭要送出解凍案那我想同樣受到總預算案影響到的所謂的軍公教條新案不曉得政府這裡有什麼樣的措施我剛聽你回答翁小林委員有說今天早上你有說五月 |
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五月就會入帳 等一下再請您說清楚一點然後就是立法院上個月有否決我們行政院提出的復議案那也想要請教一下院長再來有什麼樣的救濟措施好 謝謝顯然委員比較專心找上我們說過的話非常感謝 那解凍部分不論它是否已經達到解凍的條件或是它設了很多特殊的解凍條件包括 |
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第一項就只要書面報告的這三項我們全部送出希望在最短的時間內能夠一律解凍讓行政部門好做事那麼至於軍公教同仁的加薪3%因為之前預算還有復義等等一直卡住對整個預算沒有辦法很順利的事情那現在已經到現在為止復義案也已經被被被被打掉了對所以 |
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包括約用人員的業務費用約用人員是邊在業務費用也被刪除了但是我們也現在來不及辦追加預算所以我們會先與軍公教人員這3%加薪也跟約用人員的這些費用一併的先運資會在五月份兩項都出來同時因為我們不是承認這樣的審查預算是合法合憲的所以行政院也會針對 |
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預算案跟財化法的修法同時我們會提出釋憲 |
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投票制度的法制作業本來就是立法會員的分類工作 |
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把立委本來就應該做而且可以做那必須事事討厭的事情訴諸於公投這很明顯就是特定的立委在偷懶 在怠惰 浪費國家資源 |
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那再來民眾黨的公投主文的模糊不清這個其實也是像上週五民眾黨這個提案內容他就提出說菲律賓啊印尼等這個國家他可以直接在台灣投票選他們的總統那有些國家還可以直接線上投票 |
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他們說身為這個科技島的台灣應該建制移轉投票等不在籍的這種投票制度那民眾黨對於這種移轉制度的定義到底是什麼或者是不是電子投票對他們來說也是一種移轉投票還是說是不是在境外設這個投票所對他們來說也是一種移轉投票 |
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這個我們都不清楚所以想要請教院長跟部長就是說我們有可能無視於中國對台灣的民主的威脅就貿然的開放電子投票甚至是境外投票嗎那是否應該對所謂的境外敵對勢力介入我國的選舉有什麼樣的警覺院長 |
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我做原則性的報告第一個國家現在的處境所謂的境外的電子投票等等我們認為絕不可行因為受控於人太多我們有一個境外的敵對勢力他會對投票的行為產生什麼結果是無法用民主來衡量的所以境外的電子行為是絕對我們現階段不宜採納不宜考慮 |
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那國內的部分 移轉投票我們可以大家來討論但要有一個限制它必須一向是全國性的否則若是一個地方的選舉它都可以移轉投票那中選會地方選委會會忙死一個地方的選舉全國都在有移轉投票這個會造成很大的困擾再來全國性的我們也考量是否從對勢的公投能夠開始來著想怎麼做對人的部分我想那個複雜性更高我只做原則性的報告如果細節下行 |
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我能理解這個院長的意思因為他們公投主文是說各項選舉公投都要落實這個一轉投票那也就是說只要一個村長補選 |
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可能就要全國動員辦理移轉投票所以這個耗費太多的國家資源所以剛剛院長已經表示很清楚我們如果對勢的公投或許可以考慮來做這個所謂的移轉投票那我想 |
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南白是很奇怪啦就是說他們又要凍結中選會的預算然後又要叫中選會來擴大辦理所謂的這個業務所以這個其實是不曉得他們在想什麼啦齁那這部分主委你要不要補充好 謝謝委員的關心齁 |
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有關於不再急投票法制面的檢討其實行政部門一直都在進行長期以來主管機關內政部跟我們中選會的立場是一致的而且是一貫的 |
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這一致跟一貫主要的精神剛剛院長已經提到了也就是我們認為不再提投票牽涉到的很多複雜的因素這些複雜的因素如果去影響到選務的穩定的話這個事情就非常非常嚴重了所以我們希望採取穩健的步驟也就是說從比較單純的對市的 |
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這個公民投票來跨出第一步那麼累積一些實施經驗的結果之後再來進一步的對人的選舉是不是要採取採取何種方式再來做討論目前還是往這個方向在推進 |
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至於具體的現在民眾黨所提出兩個公投案其中有一個跟不在籍有關係的因為他已經進入到立法院要交付公投的程序中選會是不宜表示意見 |
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好 我最後要倡議的是說與其這個突襲題所謂的不在即投票我們是不是好好的再度在這一屆我們再來落實所謂的跨黨派都有共識的18歲公民權那這一屆本席也有提案要下修這個投票年齡到18歲所以是不是請院長我們在這一屆我們再來努力共同推動18歲公民權 |
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我們之前曾經推動過但是到最後很可惜未來我們繼續推動這也是符合我們民法規定一個人都成年了那麼希望他能夠青年的熱血參與整個國家的大事盡將來進行好 謝謝院長 |
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另外我想根據反滲透法第二條中國就是境外敵對勢力那可是我們面對無所不用其極要併吞台灣的中國我們的立法院卻是採取一種門戶洞開然後毫無防備的姿態 |
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藍白兩黨持續聯手阻礙立委赴中納館的法案拒絕向國人交代那我想到底那麼多的立委往中國跑那麼多的立委的助理也往中國跑那他們到底幹了什麼勾當那甚至我們現在有發現有些立院的助理或有些單位的幕僚也有涉及中國的間諜那我想就針對事情來講 |
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我也不覺得民眾黨跟國民黨對於這件事情有什麼樣積極的作為反而看到他們是有點幸災樂禍沒有要就事論事積極透過立法的方式來防堵成為所謂的國家的破口 |
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所以想請教院長是說面對台灣的這個國際處境那你怎麼看待立法院面對國安這樣的一個消極的態度又有什麼樣的呼籲另外想要請教主委是說像陸委會不斷的強調說現行附中納管本來就有包括立法院在內喔只是立法院從來不提報 |
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那面對立法院拒絕配合這種狀態梁副主委在上個禮拜三的記者會有表示那乾脆就在立法那個明文上去規定那立委就是必須要附中納管的對象那我想要請教說陸委會到底要提這樣的修法的版本有沒有計畫那到時候會不會也把立委的助理也納入規範先請主委回答再請院長回答 |
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謝謝林委員這個寶貴的質詢讓我們有機會跟您報告就是我們現行法律就各院跟各部會只要涉密的人員就應該提報到主管機關內政部移民署來做申報許可那事實上我們除了大院之外其他的四院都有送涉密名單來 |
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當然我們陸委會本於要落實兩岸條例的精神我們會持續的跟大院來溝通也感謝您今天的質詢今天大院很多重要的長官都在現場我們會持續來努力 |
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至於你剛剛提到我們未來要如何的修法來規範從中央到地方包括我們未來的民選公職人員我們想他們賦入也要有必要的管理的制度我們要納管 |
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公開化、透明化、向國民負責這是相當重要的而且我們整體社會都很在乎我們的民意代表去中國大陸做什麼樣的交流這個交流對台灣的安全有沒有傷害或是幫助他們都很想了解 |
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所以未來包括您剛剛提到的除了立委之外立委助理因為他們的型態更加的複雜是不是納入規範我們也會一併來檢討那像今年2月本席有針對立法院拒絕副州納管的這件事情有行為給韓國瑜院長跟周外來副秘書長那周秘書長是怎麼回應他說立法院以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
761.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
788.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
立法委員似乎不是兩岸人民關係條例的第九條第四項所規範的涉密人員那周秘書長還說本院為合議制機關院長或委員是否從事涉及國家安全利益或機密業務除非有明文規範否則須有本院的合議方式來決議之 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
789.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
813.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
換句話說一件事情是不是機密要由立委投票比人頭決定這其實相當荒謬啦同樣是合議制的機關從監察院到地方法院大家都全力配合附中納管的規範唯獨立法院提出這種理由來拒絕遵守所以我想這個部分也透過這個機會跟院長提醒韓院長提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
814.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
841.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
好 那另外我認為行政院在下週都會對公務人員提出一套機制安全查的機制行政院已經決定在下週就會提出一個機制了我希望國家安全不只是行政院的工作立法院也應該從自律跟法治化來著手所以我鄭重的呼籲韓院長跟我們一起努力的起步往前走把國家安全放一個最優先的地位 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
843.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
865.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那另外本席再跟院長討論一下五一勞動節全面一致放假的議題這項議題我想我從上一屆立委的任期就不斷的倡議那如今經歷了三任的行政院長每一任的院長跟我探討也都不止一次勞動節全國一致性放假這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
866.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
886.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
那蘇院長的時代他是說有在研究要請主管機關那個全盤來考量那陳健院長第一次被我質詢的時候他說會來全面檢討第二次他質詢的時候就有鬆口說可以考慮全國一致性的放假當然卓院長您上任的時候那您是說會請人總繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
890.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
917.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
跟地方政府做比較相對好的溝通那我想站在同樣的地點那再次面對我的相同質詢我想請教院長此時此刻五一勞動節已經快到了那您對這樣全國一致性的放假的態度是什麼那我想現在四月中那有不可能今年就來實施全國一致性的放假那如果還是有困難到底卡在哪裡那欠缺的共識到底要怎麼樣解決 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
918.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
943.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們現在在討論過程當中不再拘泥於過去一百一十五天一百一十六天這樣的放假的日期的象限我們希望衡量整個國內經濟情勢的轉變跟勞資之間更和諧的關係其實我很願意這麼來說來做但是還是有一些包括勞方的意見我們都還要尊重資方的意見也要尊重今年或許有困難我們努力在明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
944.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
960.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好 那我想繼續追問就是說明年2026的春節喔因為大年初四剛好碰到週五那其實春節只有放到年初三那如果初四這一天還要上班的話那隔天又要開始放假所以是不是如果要讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
970.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
972.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 謝謝林議員的質詢謝謝左院長 各部會首長的備詢好 謝謝 |