| IVOD_ID |
160421 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160421 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-21T11:34:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-21T11:42:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/16e1d9e54b37d4c80ac9656d1956bdc1f4553849aeee05e46292c42d4fa30ae9d8480a73c251d2965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:33 - 11:42:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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保定我也好丁蓋啊你化解了這個民主基金會的這個人事僵局我是高度肯定的謝謝你提出來之後讓找到一個韓國瑜可以接受的人民進黨政府也可以接受的人那個是賴清德總統啊在最近這一上任快一年啊朝野和解跟朝野合作成功的一個案例我高度肯定那我也期待這邊啊我們跟美國這次的談判啊不要搞到後來 |
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投降各地賠款你落下一個各地賠款的外交部長好不好好我們等一下來想看看有沒有什麼是美國印尼給的而且是我們台灣需要的那我先問這個進展第一個你一直好像聽你講這個談判非常樂觀啊 包括我上禮拜問這個經濟部的處長啊江次長他是從那次視訊完之後就停頓啊連這個談判都沒開始啊那現在想想進度停擺了嗎還是怎麼樣 |
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都進行中 我們美處跟美方都有很頻繁的在溝通安排進一步的談判日本都談了第一階段結束了現在南韓還要開始 我們差不多要再等多久我們都有洽談了適當的時間跟出席的人員等來啦 我們來畫危機為轉機 |
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談判一定是有拿的時候也要給嘛對不對我們有沒有想出來不是美國只有他喊牌說叫我們買這個金幣這個大概跑不掉啦對不對那個不算進去這個不算在這個逆差裡面這個也是很大的一個當然他在省啊對他沒有算進去我們就要跟他講嘛對不對那除了這個之外要我們一直去投資台積電去還有我們的產業一直去投資之外有沒有是他們也要給我們我們也需要的 |
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有沒有想過 例子是能源呢我先開個頭 等一下看你有什麼好方法吧所以我們外交部有邀請金融美台商會阿拉斯加州長來參加所謂的忘年會就是美台的這個我知道 這個很好那我進一步來講 你講到天然氣我問了經濟部經濟部說我們目前所有天然氣的採購 |
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美國佔我們的10%現在可能要增加兩到三倍那我提一個更具體的建議是你剛剛講阿拉斯加官方的天然氣來了我們跟他合資一起來賺錢這會不會更好如果這樣很好啊對不對進井路透社就有一個新聞他說有440億美金整條的他希望跟我們合作現在南韓在爭取對不對包括要挖天然氣管道管線我們一起來投資一起來賺錢可以嗎 |
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這會更好 比那個去買 買了很多天然氣又更好投資當然能夠建立的合作關係更緊密這是一個更好的路嘛第二個 而且以後如果這個 除了這個商業的考量其實 能源安全啊 跟韌性因為我想美國跟台灣 如果說阿拉斯加的天然氣啊它不會比較受制於中國的影響對嘛 所以第一個我們有共識 也是一個好的方法除了 |
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擴大去買天然氣投資方面一起賺錢這應該是我們這次可以談的一個很大的突破第二個核能啊核能是一個好議題啊你有注意到AIT的處長古立言最近講了兩三次了對不對有他說對他說核能美國跟日本現在在重啟核能他穩定而且價格是低的我們電競就不用像現在一直在漲啊 |
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美國商會一直在呼籲美國商會每一次跟我們談的第一件事情都說台灣現在他們來投資最大問題是什麼我們的能源可能不夠我們的電力可能不夠因為我們現在要推展半導體跟AI我們價格一直漲而且常常亂調三年調五次他說他們現在投資都碰到問題有一個穩定價格又低的就是核能 |
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我跟委員講 核能部門來先救核廢料處理美國很有經驗跟技術 這個也是我們需要解決的問題他們的解決 這個也是一個合作的項目所以這個我們有共識 去突破 去跟美國要談包括核廢料他們幫我們處理 |
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這個核能的設備包括Humble服務我們全部跟他買這個利差就降下來喔而且是他要的嘛川普也在講川普的選舉就是能源的輸出果嘛所以他在天然氣轉啊轉啊轉啊天然氣就開始賣那我們說要不要合資第二個核能的部分我們跟你買買設備買技術那這個對我們的電力幫助很大啊我們發展AI半導體就有幫助了對不對第一個電價不只不用漲還降 |
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因為我們現在一度電大概3.8塊核電大概只有1.3塊那你去買那個什麼再生能源5.8塊來回之間我們電價就可以降核能的發展有一些政策跟主管其實不是外教部但我想是核廢料的處理因為美方有很好的經驗跟這個設備還有相關的如果能夠協助台灣處理我想這個也對於縮短 |
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我們是不是有共識把這個列為一個雖然經濟部也說這個可以列為討論我們去爭取看看如果包括你講的他可以幫我們處理核廢料美國處理得很好啊 |
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對不對現在的一方面法令上我們已經都提案了法令我們會趕快去處理然後最近這一兩年美國跟日本他們這個核能就40年過後日本已經延長到60年了嘛對不對美國有些地方都已經到80了我們現在的核二核三都是40年就要停了我們會爭取再20年這個沒有問題這技術上沒有問題還有包括核廢料美國都可以處理當然請他來幫我們處理嘛好不好這是一個美國要給我們而且對我們來講是需要這個才是有突破啦 |
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這樣不只不讓變成什麼割地賠款 上前祖國期待喔 跟民主基金的人事案一樣我們再做一個突破好不好那最後我大概用一分鐘時間問一下那個吳釗燮那六年 八個那個邦交國因為那個共諜案嘛 對不對你現在怎麼處理 你有前面去清查嗎不要又發生 又發生類似狀況 |
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我有責成政鋒處進行調查就他接觸的業務跟人事等這個調查最近會完成我們來做損害控管 |
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也能夠避免未來再發生調查完要對外要公開好不好不要再出現斷交的狀況所以有一點時間我請教一下剛剛是我提的天然氣不是只有買還要投資一起賺錢第二個考慮核能重啟核能美國幫他們處理核污肥料你說你也有一些想法是不是有什麼突破的方法 |
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沒有 有關於能源 台灣因為是個能源進口國那如果能夠從美國來進口包括天然氣或油或等其實這個也多一層能源安全的考量因為美國會用他的船 |
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來運送啊然後這個期間也會經過這個我們台灣附近的海域嘛這個是也是兼具有經濟跟安全上的考量啦這是一個那核廢料如果不解決其實談核能其實台灣社會就是沒有辦法進入到下一個階段去談核電的問題但是未來的技術我想有一些開放的就是大家都討論的空間但是核廢料的先來幫忙台灣如果能夠協助處理我想這個應該跨黨派啦 |
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大家會從這裡切入也只是一個比較好的路徑美國很有經驗有技術可以處理那核電除了核二跟核三可以核二是可以重啟核三可以研擬核四廠在那邊整個總體檢一下那甚至現在全世界都有小型的核電廠 |
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對不對這是民進黨比較不排斥的這個都可以好好去談好不好那我們共同努力希望繼這個民主基金會人事案之外這次的談判外交部可以辦理一個更積極的做一些突破我們化危機為轉機我們不自由去投降好不好共同努力謝謝 |