| IVOD_ID |
160417 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160417 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-21T11:13:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-21T11:19:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/16e1d9e54b37d4c8c77bd8985c5e1f28f4553849aeee05e46292c42d4fa30ae9fa2dab58134a338c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:09 - 11:19:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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請部長部長你那個辦公室的機要有沒有依法辦特殊安全查核我的辦公室的機要有有嗎我的主任 |
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那是不是應該依法要辦依法是不是要辦我們是要辦就是按照他的那個他的負責的業務跟職級一般的跟特殊的現在我今天在司法法治委員會問那司法法治委員會啊告察局局長剛剛跟我說 |
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因為之前吳釗燮帶在身邊十幾年的親信何仁傑帶到外交部的時候我問依法是不是要辦特殊安全查核 |
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吊牙局局長給我的答案是沒有辦這件事情你有掌握嗎?有你有掌握嗎?是我問吊牙局的時候,剛剛吊牙局局長我也不曉得他是不是不高興他說他們是被動用人機關給他們,他們才會去查核那這個是用人機關的問題那如果依法要查核,卻沒有查核現在外交部有理解為什麼當初沒有送給吊牙局辦特殊查核嗎? |
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我請我們展開政風調查那目前這是兩回事啦第一件事情因為部長你了解我的個性我不喜歡把問題糊在一起談談不清楚今天我在外交國防我問的關鍵問題是他告訴我第一個依法要查核第二個外交部沒有送給他們查核第三個所以沒有查核現在我的問題來了外交部為什麼沒有送給調查局要辦查核 |
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這個是我現在的問題因為我那時候還不是部長嘛所以我剛才問你說這個狀況你有沒有掌握嘛有有嘛是那所以現在為什麼沒有收尾調查局辦查核你不知道 |
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我知道因為我一看到這個是有一些問題存在嘛所以當外界在詢問我的時候我知道說這件事情在偵辦中我雖然沒有對外講我知道問題的關鍵包括這一點是那你現在問題的關鍵沒有刑事偵辦交給刑事偵辦這個我們大家都尊重啊 |
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但現在問題是在行政程序上今天調查局是在隔壁啊 司法法治委員會啊大聲喊說那是因為外交部沒有送給他們啊所以我現在才請教你嘛你剛剛說你掌握了狀況嘛外交部沒有送嘛那這件事 誰要負責任?他曾經有查過 那是很久以前啦是 叫外交部來講 應該要辦理對嘛 那為什麼沒有送 誰要負責任 這是我的問題 |
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所以我就啟動了調查 內部調查就我的部分就政風調查 包括這一點也要進行調查需要調查多久 |
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這個就看我們政鋒來來來 請政鋒 需要調查多久這個事情很簡單啊應該要送 當初沒有送誰決定不要送 誰要負責任這個事情要調查很久 這個有這麼困難嗎來 請報告委員 我們在4月14號4月12號 接到部長室的指示我們就開始啟動調查了然後目前已經調查到將近告一段落然後我們現在在做資料的整理 |
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什麼時候可以調查完我們努力盡快的在希望能夠在這一周能夠把它做出來這一周完成嘛 來請部長 |
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不少我再強調一次,司法偵辦當然尊重司法偵辦嘛我們所有的社會大眾也會看嘛看說當初黃曲榮這個不肖的商人為了錢在那邊搞共諜然後幫中共發展組織那個組織的網絡有多廣現在浮上水面的只有三個人嘛 |
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那但是看黃曲榮他做的時間接觸範圍的廣度恐怕涉案的範圍不僅止於此但無論如何我們尊重司法檢調機關的偵辦社會大眾也都會檢視但我現在回到的是外交部的部分部長請你不要誤會 |
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你那時候還不是部長,我不會要你承擔不屬於你的責任這是我向來的問政風格那但是,現在既然您是部長,也只有您在這個位置上可以告訴全體國人說,當初為什麼該送沒有送那第二個,針對這件事情沒有送到底誰應該要負什麼樣子的責任針對這件事情,部長剛剛說這個禮拜調查會完畢嘛 |
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那接下來就行政責任啦行政責任就責的部分部長需要多久 |
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我想我們 但是最快的時間嘛 因為這個事情這個都形容詞啦 他說這個禮拜會做完嘛那我說他做完了以後 接下來行政究責 行政上要怎麼處理 就是部長您的我們會加速來進行 因為我要了解 看到他的調查報告的涉及 因為我希望他能夠更周延啦沒有關係啦 因為他那麼久的時間涉及的人員的業務 |
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盡速辦理好盡速辦理那第二個事情是這個事情您是什麼時候知道的我是在這個就是有委員去質疑是所謂一個核心的到那個時間點才知道對專門委員我才知道 |
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沒關係 接下來的問題會進入非常深的深水區那可能也不是你可以回答 沒關係我今天詢問你的問題就到此為止就先打住但我期待喔 政鋒的說這個禮拜可以做完嘛那我希望 你要展現一個態度給國人看 |
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我們按照目前的安全查核機制該送沒有送這件事情一定要有人負責任那就等您看完政府公司調查的報告的時候下一次下一次我希望你看完這個報告了以後盡速的追究責任從嚴辦理可以嗎 |