| IVOD_ID |
160404 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160404 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-21T09:50:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-21T09:57:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/16e1d9e54b37d4c8e7ebbb61cbe9ebc9de1cdb79e21bd2990fed3d90e8b9dd2e77c192756c22988b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:52 - 09:57:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「行政區劃法草案」案。二、審查委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「行政區劃法草案」案。【僅詢答及宣讀提案條文】） |
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謝謝部長今天只能問你延續剛剛王美惠委員的話題我想跟部長請教很簡單的問題台灣現在是民主我覺得不只民主最重要的是法治的社會這個法治的社會如果有遇到過去我當然小時候曾經看過有幫派去包圍警察局的時候警察怎麼處理部長 |
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我不曉得委員小時候是指民國紀諜的事情應該就是我小學的時候吧,三十年前啊如果是現在的話,大概不會有這樣的狀況馬上就是,因為他不能到那個警察機關前面去這樣子...幫派包圍警察局,就是質疑警察的執法能力,質疑公權力現在有另外一件事情,政黨率人去包圍地檢署,這是要做什麼? |
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他影響台灣的法治影響檢察官判決或者是影響檢察官做相關調查的新政還要施壓恐嚇檢察官那所以呢當天中國國民黨號召包圍台北地檢署 |
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警政署舉牌七次裡面包含蔣萬安市長在7點24分的時候在北檢外面受訪7點29分進入禁制區內7點40分發言7點54分離開中間警政署很有技巧在蔣萬安進到禁制區以後沒有舉牌過等到蔣萬安出了 |
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這個禁制區之後才第二次舉牌部長首都市長進入台北地檢署禁制區內企圖影響司法當然內政部有內政部處理的方式我在這邊要講的是全台灣都在看台灣的法治倒退而且由台北市長帶頭啦在蔣萬安身上永遠留下一筆破壞台灣不是民主喔 |
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是法治的觀念跟30年前幫派去圍警察局有什麼不一樣不是你有沒有辦法做一個回應 |
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第一個我們的集會遊行法希望能夠去政治化任何人如果你要挑戰集會遊行法裡面尤其是法律所訂定的部分的話站在主管機關的立場我有要求就是要嚴正執行那所以呢我也覺得我們的警員非常的警察非常的辛苦尤其是這一次呢以台北市警局當然我們還有若干的這個保安警察 |
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在兩天的時間內幾乎24小時在旁邊待命所以我剛有講過台北市警局這個是警政署執法的當然辛苦還有技巧但是我們要跟國人說明的還是很重點的一個為什麼北檢外面不是可以拘禁的地方為什麼是禁制區因為這些人想要影響檢察官的調查 |
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207.898 |
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232.411 |
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就跟法院要判決前你到司法院去辦什麼活動都是一樣的都是企圖要影響這直接影響了台灣最有價值的民主第二個法治我們這是一個法治國家謝謝 謝謝部長接下來我想針對今天的這個內容剛才主席也有講到包含這個賴清德總統擔任院長的時候其實提出來的 |
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235.051 |
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250.29 |
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行政區劃法其實要完整的講賴院長那時候的想法應該是把公債法行政區劃法還有財政收支劃分法一起來談因為這個行政區劃法其實剛剛部長也講到很重要的一點 |
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250.991 |
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278.971 |
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希望如果有行政區劃法之後這個行政區劃會是完整的而不是今天某個鄉鎮他希望他可以劃入另外一個直轄市那所以由鄉鎮來公投我覺得這個問題會是更麻煩更複雜那尤其我覺得以北北、基桃會比較多這些相關的事務包含很多新北市的離台北市就一線之隔 |
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279.671 |
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300.925 |
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那他們也要主張如果有台北市的門牌的話這個房價暴增一坪馬上暴增所以這個議題其實需要內政部還有行政院一樣要做出比較完整的一些討論尤其是跟地方的討論千萬千萬我們一定不能像財化法一樣 |
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301.926 |
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326.71 |
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一劃下去整個行政區劃都亂掉我覺得這個是我們內政委員會接下來必須要很嚴肅很嚴正的來討論這些問題包含它是程序法或者是接下來的相關的公聽會以及跟地方政府的相關的這些討論希望內政部都可以跟地方政府來做一些比較完整的討論那我也看到 |
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328.231 |
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343.642 |
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從2018年這個行政院提出這個院版之後呢到2023年內政部也有對是不是納入公投有做一些相關的研究的報告我想這些都是我們必須要很嚴肅的來討論跟參考的來請這個市長來做一個回應2023年後來這個公投的演繹 |
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353.578 |
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371.965 |
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用委託研究基本上對於公投參考各國的經驗並不是必要的程序有些國家反而公投會牽涉到多大的區域要公投公投反而會變成行政區塊的一個阻礙也有一種情況 |
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373.225 |
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384.855 |
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所以都是要很嚴肅的來討論當然今天召委的意思是說你要讓這個區的人充分發聲他沒有要保證說就要讓你劃進去新北市啦謝謝 |