| IVOD_ID |
160401 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160401 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-21T09:15:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-21T09:23:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/16e1d9e54b37d4c81f22c1e53bd5c3e1de1cdb79e21bd2990fed3d90e8b9dd2ea2f0af228fb527a05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:15:08 - 09:23:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「行政區劃法草案」案。二、審查委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「行政區劃法草案」案。【僅詢答及宣讀提案條文】） |
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我請部長跟這個地政司司長劉市長地政司司長有請那民政司司長也留著我兩個都跟著民政司司長我兩個都兩個都叫好那就張檢任司長跟蘇檢任司長請一起跟鄭市長不好意思民政跟地政 |
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好,我先請問一下啦齁這個如果地方的這個區域重劃或什麼的啊齁除了民政的之外啊地政...是喔,我要請問一下那個其他的地政資料啊或什麼這些資料是不是也要重新來 |
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結論上事務所的服務的部分其實有些是跨轄區的部分不是啦我是說比如說我本來是在這一個里換去別的里我們這樣簡單一點你們的地政資料要不要也要改 |
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有可能因為行政區域調整之後它的事務所服務的區域會變動那所以可能地域資料部分可能要重新調整也要嘛好謝謝那你可以先回去我為什麼要請第一任市長先講 |
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行政區劃法我個人認為重新劃分尤其是行政區劃法我認為是有討論的必要然後台灣這麼小其實現在維持市級政府其實我也覺得沒有什麼特別的必要要維持這樣所以行政區劃法我認為是可以討論但它的牽涉就又更廣了 |
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如果你有任何的改變每個人民從他的身份證 從他的很多的資料是不是全部都要改啊我請問一下部長是 當然都要改當然都要改嘛改 應該要花不少錢吧對嘛 部長這個錢應該非常的多啦真的是非常多所以行政區的話 我認為是要討論但 |
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可能牠牽扯到的法令還有財政收支劃分法還有地方制度法等等很多都要一併連動都要一併連動所以其實就我所知啦在行政院齁 |
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他之前也有提過一個草案但後來因為大家的意見非常的多然後反映出來也是必須應該去檢討解決的事情所以在那次提出之後我們行政院內政部是不是也繼續廣徵各方的意見這個事情現在還在做是不是啊 |
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對我們在112年的時候有委託研究那現在把研究的結果呢在9月多的時候有送到行政院來參考 |
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那裡面涉及到的部分就是說它的疑義就是說地方製度法跟行政區劃法如何做借階還有這個鄉鎮市區的行政區是否授權由地方政府來決定那這個地方製度法還有行政區劃的審議跟核定還有是否適合作為公民投票這幾項到目前為止這個學者專家或者是地方上的一些這個地方 |
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政府都有不同的看法因為他們自己本身所碰到的問題都不相同對啦因為該檢討的事情我們應該要去檢討去面對但這是一個知識體大我個人一直認為說要來討論這個問題但必須要討論的完整因為呢 |
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如果一個地區它的行政區域的重劃我們不可能兩三年重劃一次吧可能這個一次啊就用了50年100年了所以這個必須要好好的去思考啦那個我請教師長一下這個可能你比較清楚師長日本平成大合併這件事你知道嗎 |
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你知道啦那結果他後來造成了什麼的影響成鄉差距是有影響我直接跟市長你講好了啦日本的平成大合併他也是遇到跟我們現在討論的問題是一模一樣的日本也是面對這個問題但平成大合併之後 |
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他們並沒有解決所有的問題他們就是像我剛剛說的只有從行政區化的調整然後他們日本有一些很小的鄉鎮把小鄉鎮兩個變成一個但後來也沒有解決問題反而窮的還是越來越窮沒有錢的還是沒有錢所以平成大合併它就是跟我們現在討論的一樣 |
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他就是要解決這些問題結果問題沒有解決那我們要借盡日本的經驗我們今天要討論這個行政區劃法討論是應該的但剛剛我所講的相關的法令的配套也要一併討論才能徹底的解決啦是不是啊市長是的所以市長我跟你講我建議你可以把平成大合併這些拿出來再給大家看一下 |
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日本犯的錯我們不要再同樣犯錯日本的平成大合併可能大家都沒有去關注我那時候我就覺得哇有魄力我就一直看他的資料結果勒有魄力是一件事情沒有解決問題是一件更嚴重的事情你看日本現在很多鄉下連房子都沒有人要住啊但那當然不是一個行政區的話單一的問題所以我在這邊部長我覺得啦 |
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應該來討論這一個行政區劃法但我們這幾年繼續研究繼續去處理的問題其實也應該給內政委員會一些資料大家用這些資料再來討論再來詳細的討論來處理這個問題我覺得這個問題我們要解決但我覺得應該要花點時間來解決不然 |
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我們所有的立法委員也會變成罪人為什麼變成罪人我再說一次去舉平成大合併大家來看就知道了這個 |
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造成日本現在很多問題待解決所以部長可不可以說你把這些資料給大家然後大家好好來討論然後甚至把你們這些要研究的你們之前的草案有哪些要修改我覺得都可以給大家來參考一下是 我們會遵照委員的指示來辦理把日本平成合併的部分還有目前我們在行政區劃的推動上面碰到什麼困擾 |
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因為原先會覺得說地方製度就是希望能夠尊重這個地方製度然後用行政區劃的程序法但是目前看起來很多委員所問的就是行政區劃的實質的部分是指什麼那牽涉到了就很多所以剛剛有委員也提到說是不是可以開公聽會的方式我們也會樂觀其成我覺得部長 |
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這個真的可能有需要因為你剛講的程序法跟作用法跟實質法其實我覺得是完全不一樣的概念那概念完全不一樣你要實行下去我跟你講也是完全不一樣我們要很審慎可能要讓所有的委員知道程序法作用法還有實質法這些的不同點在哪裡我們去立法才不會有差錯好不好好 謝謝 |