| IVOD_ID |
160358 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160358 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T12:41:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T12:51:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a41f12bbb305cd5cb1db8644d80871ec8675aa7aeb25548b49942b5e30a9ca234d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:41:37 - 12:51:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、經濟部、外交部就「因應美國退出巴黎氣候協定並提出對等關稅，對國內產業淨零轉型造成衝擊」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請環境部部長、勞動部、教育部、經濟部針對「國內校園、賣場及工作場域之室內空氣污染物管理及防制精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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請請彭部長還有這個勞動部職業安全衛生署的林益棠林副署長林副署長委員好保安局很高興剛才聽到你說你說台東那個美麗的海岸線不會被破壞啦 |
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生態環境優先嘛對不對我剛才聽到一句話我覺得要肯定你說啊如果當地的居民強烈反對的這要傾聽民意要重視就不會成嘛所以我今天一方面肯定就是說台東這個美麗的海岸啊沒有被破壞的不只環境部部長已經明確講了經濟部部長也說他不會允許這個開發我們今天應該可以可以幾乎可以公佈啦跟台東的這個民眾跟全團民眾講這個 |
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台東這個海岸線的這個路上風機應該乘的機率是很低的這是個好消息第一我跟他進一步問你剛講說要傾聽民意啊我經常要問你這個基隆市街嘛對不對我也希望你多傾聽那邊的民意好不好多去注意那邊一方面是生態跟它的這個環境如果它有污染那天我們有共識了嘛盡快去改善它好不好 |
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包委員那個我們3月26號已經派人去查了我們用這個介紹介閉者保護法我組成一個團隊我希望大概月底或是5月初有一個報告再給委員參考已經去查了已經去查了已經率隊去台電裡面查了現在要等一段時間因為我們已經要求台電提供相關的資料了如果他有隱秘的話我相信因為目前我知道已經檢調也在查了所以如果檢調如果有會跟我們要資料我們會提供給檢調那如果我們有結果也會再跟委員報告 |
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第一個盡快啦第一個絕對不允許在污染的地方更重要的不要污染造成當地民眾的傷害戴奧心那個致癌的嘛好不好我們一定要做到這點第二個當地居民為什麼那麼反對世界不是不能討論喔是他們反映很多意見嘛例如說現在的郵輪台灣郵輪都是從吉隆港進來對不對你現在放了那個世界天然氣存儲在那邊會不會影響到他們其實大家知道嘛以前台灣每次有發生戰爭啊 |
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都是從基隆港登陸的所以當地民眾有這聲音,你剛提的很好請聽民意,好不好?請您副署長副署長恭喜聽說你下禮拜就要升任這個署長了嘛先給你恭喜啦不過,任重道遠我先來問一個很重要的事情很多那個地方政府啊 |
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都在埋怨一件事這可能也是你上任應該馬上解決的就是這個勞檢嚴從2016年開始他們就在哀怨說快過勞快過勞了結果到現在為止勞動部還在說他們要做一些改善要支持什麼草案做一些9任的獎金的留任他的根本問題出在這個地方 |
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副所長 你知道你們屬於跟你們勞動部給這個勞檢員訂的那個一年的KPI是多少跟委員報告 我們這個KPI基本上是因為我們是補助地方政府去聘用勞動條件檢查員所以就會有所謂的工作量所以大概我們現在一年的工作量勞檢的話是200場次 |
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你這樣賣頂到先我拐這個等一下我會進一步跟你講這個連監察院都提出檢討報告要你們改你到現在沒有改一天你上班公務員一天上班幾天扣掉休假日結果你平均一年的KPI你現在要檢查200件這怎麼做得來呢這幾乎天天都在勞檢對不對 |
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這太高了啦我來給你看現在地方政府反應是兩個你訂了這個勞檢勞檢員這個KPI這麼高勞檢員就是去檢查人家有沒有問題的啊結果你本身又過勞這不是很碰刺嗎這是第一個點那現在老實講現在因為我們人口在減少嘛很多地方又是用那個遠距的有沒有你很多地方應該可以做一個修正了那另外 |
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我是很希望你們趕快去檢討這個KPI要怎麼講我給你看一個齁這不是只有地方的這個政府在反應監察院啊來你看一下我給你看監察院的調查監察院的調查啊他說每一個案子啊每一個案子你要去檢查你要做什麼事情第一個你要先看他的出勤的紀錄比對薪資的這個情緒這個第一 |
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第二你還要跟僱主說明相關的這個法規第三你要撰寫檢討的這個檢討報告的這個通知第四你可能要開裁處書至少要長達一個月以上一個案子出去勞檢平均起來差不多二十點鐘這個你比較清楚嘛對不對你訂兩百一個案子出去二十個小時監察已經調查了叫你們改 |
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所以你下禮拜上陣以後 |
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列地要認趕快把它做一個檢討做一個處理好不好謝謝委員關心這個我們第一線勞動檢查員的辛勞確實那這個部分我們其實持續在做一些不管是在工具面或是說剛剛講的廠市面怎麼去換算因為並不一定說每一位這個200廠市一定是勞檢有時候我們在做一些仿試的話也會把它記為工作量這個我們就陸續在做一些優化跟精進謝謝委員關心 |
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監察院調查完之後他是有明確要你做一些改正的啦他明明確確的你看以後你單列的這個時數啊你會增加的工作量太大嘛所以他有時候你看一個月的那個工作時間加班數超過50點鐘超過50個小時甚至各個機關加班費有時候規定只能給20那你就違規啊對不對 |
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你這個強人所難啊 你導致你的這個你自己的勞工 自己的員工過勞嘛 然後又違反規定嘛欸 勞動部去年底那個霸凌案啊引起很大的仙人大波 到現在都還沒有完全解決勞動不是很多人工作時間是過場的 |
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不是只有勞檢員要整體去檢討特別去年這個事情一定要引以為戒不要霸凌自己的員工好不好不要讓他們工作時間太長後來檢察官不是也進去調你們所有加班的時數嗎打卡的對不對這事情到現在還在查啊勞檢員你在地方你又害得他們不只是工作時間這麼長連加班時數都明定啦你就20個小時結果你給了50個小時這就違規了嘛 |
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所以那時候監察院明確要求你們說你要嘛用什麼方式減少他們這個工作量這樣他可以做得更好啊不然你就增加人力嘛對不對另外一個他提那你對於他們的這個對於他們這個加班的這個方式啊你要有一個核實的一個專案加班最重要的就是這個事情嘛到現在都沒做啊來我具體來我現在今天具體的做三個要求好第一個 |
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我請你中央啊 要去了解整個地方勞檢的這個狀況 |
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你長久都在做這個事情嘛跟著副署長接著署長以後更要做你現在要很完整的深刻的去了解地方整個勞檢這個狀況然後作為你過去編預算的這個參考為什麼要這樣做因為每年預算都在滾動嘛對不對都在滾動嘛然後請勞動部你統計出來今年十月底跟去年一整年的 |
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整個那個腦檢的那個狀況跟那個件數好不好好你這個提出來這個一個禮拜給我可以嗎你是不是再給我們一段時間一個禮拜上任那一個月啦好 謝謝一個月給我一個月給我這個資料這個就是OK然後第二個請你趕快提出一個具體的一個改善方案就是說這個KPI真的一年200件真的太多了去檢討一下甚至很多人都建議啊降到150 100多都合理啦 |
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536.743 |
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檢討一下這個要你在這個一個月內好不好檢討完以後給我一個報告不要再造成那個地方的這些工作人員真的是太辛苦了第三個請你們要提出新的工作分配改善方式包括你這個補助型計畫業務越來越偏低然後你要求地方這個勞檢員做了一堆那個他們現在不是只有勞檢的問題 |
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538.103 |
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559.828 |
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你看他們還碰到一堆什麼不是勞檢類型的分類工作你還在那邊辦什麼說明會整堆的你整個都要納進去好不好整體做一個盤整好不好本席今天非常具體的三個要求那恭喜你下禮拜上任請把他列為第一要任好不好那一個月內給我一個檢討的這個方針跟改變跟改善好不好好謝謝好謝謝張祺可 |