| IVOD_ID |
160343 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160343 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T10:48:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T11:00:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a435d6f5154aa84a33cf11904fa481b7b675aa7aeb25548b49709c5d5d9e4bc9205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:48:03 - 11:00:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 本席邀請我們運安會林主委運安會林主委委員好主委好有兩件交通異常的狀況請教主委有瞭解嗎第一個就是高鐵啊到站沒有開門然後車子就要開走了另外一個就是台鐵啊 |
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有一個列車 他停車的時候呢 超過月台所以 鐵路的 台鐵的駕駛啊 就把ATP改掉 然後再倒車再倒車回到月台去啊這兩件事情 主委知道嗎知道 知道那我們 運管會有介入調查嗎 |
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這個案子還沒有到調查階段不過我們認為應該有檢討的空間什麼檢討空間就是他們的 你想要調查嗎他們的列車駕駛跟他們列車長之間他們整個公司的整個處理層第一個喔高鐵從創立以來大概第一次發生這種狀況就是你車子停了沒有開門然後呢 要把車開走這班車是北上啦還好他停在板橋 |
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所以在板橋要下車的旅客沒有辦法下車上車當然也不行但頂多沒有辦法下車的旅客多載一站到台北下車那這台車如果是在台中沒有開門那旅客就麻煩了你在台中沒辦法下車會不會直接強迫載到台北或板橋來那主委你有坐過高鐵嗎 |
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有有有高鐵上下車啊 它都是因為我這個也算職業做高鐵的啦我才這麼多他一定要有一定的訊號 他還用手勢還有巡車邊的人員然後當場的指揮 場鎮主任指揮還用吹哨子司機才可以開走那他沒有開車門 |
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所以也沒有指揮他可以開走他沒有得到可以開走的訊號他就把車開走了所以我覺得這個已經不是啊有沒有開門的問題喔這個是已經是一個算如果第一個以高鐵啊過去營運績效那麼好啊安全的評價那麼高發生這種事情啊我覺得要介入調查了而且啊過去像這種台鐵高鐵啊 |
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基本上應該要有 因為他們都是重要的運輸工具如果發生重大的缺失啦 甚至有安全性的問題都應該要由公正第三者調查你現在不調查就變成高鐵自己調查自己啦台鐵自己調查自己啦那他們查的 可不可能大事化小對不對 都來不及的人嘛 對不對所以這個也是為什麼運安會要成立的目的嘛 |
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你們就是一個專業 公正的第三者我認為應該要介入調查否則啊 高鐵發生這麼離譜的錯誤啦如果以我搭車的經驗 這個是很離譜因為你車子停下來 也會有訊號要你開車門而且車長 列車長也會開車門他有兩個鑰匙 應該是有兩個鑰匙 那時候駕駛沒有打開 |
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因為開車門的 列車長也會把鑰匙 他會去轉開嘛那如果轉不開 他跟駕駛怎麼聯絡 聯絡不上嗎然後 如果你沒有開車門 他絕對不可能給你訊號叫你開走應該是這樣子吧 那為什麼可以把車開走呢沒有通道訊號就把車開走 |
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我覺得請運安委員密切注意這種事情因為通常重大事故都會由不當停車開始的我們來看台鐵台鐵在今年2025年已經有6次的不當停車1月5號他停車位置認錯所以最後一個車廂沒有進入月台最後一班車沒有進入月台2月27號 |
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過站不停3月13號停車超出月台有四個車廂啊停車停到位置了3月13號一樣哦過站不停3月20號過站不停4月11號停車位置錯了超出月台台鐵哦今年已經有六次停車不當那我們再來看啊 |
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台鐵在過去有個案例他在高雄戈戎沙地處就發生重大鐵道事故他也是因為過站不停然後再倒車當時就有 |
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就有曾經發生過啦那國外喔 日本有一個慘案啦日本發生一個慘案是日本JRC日本喔他有一個班車啦那司機喔停錯位置 就不當停車他超過了月台72公尺後來呢 他應該倒車嘛然後倒車以後那個霧點了嘛所以他就加速啦希望把時間給彌補回來 |
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結果就超速超速那個造成出軌就撞到了公寓撞到大樓死了一百多個人所以這個就是蝴蝶效應不要小看停車停錯啦這個就是管理有問題啦那你從這種小地方這種最基本的不容許犯錯的那你都會犯錯了那如果發生重大事故那當然沒有意外啦 |
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你看啊 我整理給主委看啊台北 台北就 今年就有六件我說我希望啊 包括我剛給主委分享的這一次台鐵的違規停車啊不當停車啦也請議員會主動了解好不好你現在有報完條款了嘛 |
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對不對今年二月啊今年二月我過去就一直要求你們要把運安會的罷網條款再改回來啦什麼樣的事故運安會可以介入但是運安會應該也有一個罷網條款就是如果你運安會認為該事件你有主動權可以介入你認為這個事件不單純必須要再進一步調查其實你是可以介入的是不是這樣 |
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438.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
447.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
這個是可以研議的那你這個我希望你應該進入去調查吧還有現在這樣發生一個案例啊就是華航降轉這個問題啊華航有個班機要飛新加坡主委知道這個事情吧哎知道對不對他飛了一個多小時 |
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463.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
490.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
往往這班機飛了一個小時從桃園要飛到新加坡飛了快一半結果有出現異常再飛回來飛回來降轉在高雄小港機場當時就有人質疑啦你都飛一半了如果小問題為什麼不停越南就停附近什麼我也不知道啦就整個飛機再飛回來 |
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493.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
508.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那這個案子運安會有調查嗎因為他轉將這個是還算一般也沒有嘛但是那轉將原因呢我們有在關注他這個案子為什麼會沒有就近轉將這個案子也沒有報給運安會運安會有收到發行轉報過來了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
519.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
534.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
報告委員這個案子是民航局他已經在調查了所以民航局有複製到運安會那我們也知道說這個事件的他的原因是經務的原因我們有在關注這個事件以上報告你的關注程度跟我一樣看新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
537.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
561.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
因為 應安會如果接到有正式的立案的話 你在網站會公佈啦就所謂的初步 初步調查你這個案子連初步調查都沒有就是你現在檢查不去調查這個事情只是民安局告訴你而已嘛那這個 我認為飛機的這種異常 更嚴重啦 更嚴重啦 |
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562.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
584.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
有一些非常安全喔就只要稍微有意外都是死傷都會很慘重的我也希望運安會啊像這種狀況啊運安會應該要多也可以主動了解吧我們主動了解好不好這個就是所謂霸王條款的作用嘛那我再提一點在三雕角喔有一台貨車台鐵的貨車出軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
588.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
616.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
或者出軌就造成民眾不便嘛 當然嘛 已經整個卡住了後來復軌 就是把這個拖軌的列車再把它弄好拖了很長的時間啊那為什麼拖那麼長時間台鐵把責任推給運安會 推給貴會啦台鐵說啊 拖了那麼久 這個列車才復軌是因為啊 在等運安會來做調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
618.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
631.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
就好像有時候我們發現車子碰撞的車禍會停在路邊當警察來看嗎那這個事情呢就怎麼會造成耽擱那麼久現在台鐵說是因為等運安會 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
634.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
662.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我也沒什麼時間我講快一點結果運安會說沒有啊早上11點的出軌啊我運安會啊1點多就派人來啦我3點以前我就調查完畢了那台鐵拖到5點車輛車廂才要覆軌我了解是這樣子啦我不知道是哪一邊講錯啦但是你要知道如果如果台鐵的消息不是不正確那你們要澄清啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
663.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
687.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
你運動安衛有一個訊息澄清專區主委知道嗎知道現在是空白啦你從來沒有澄清過任何消息啦我是給主委你提起啦這個人家會關注啊那你已經知道火車出軌了這個算重大意外啦你要趕快去看啦有台鐵說是因為你拖到時間啦我不知道是不是這樣子啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
691.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
718.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
你是不是啊他們對媒體講說在等一段會這是他們比較work in level的人啦工程技術層跟你講的啦那你可以澄清一下你為什麼不澄清還是你當做那個沒關係啦沒有你的事我們有跟他澄清說這個他要我講故事我不會講的喔是喔是喔你的意思是這樣對不對我是提醒你啦你有澄清你該澄清嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
720.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
739.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
事情發生 權責就要...不能大家都擺爛啊反正你隨便 你扶手碰到你的我做好了 我有關係 你又不會說不要有這種態度好不好這都交通事故耶 這都重要的事情耶這都影響到一般人的權益耶 好不好好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |