| IVOD_ID |
160319 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160319 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T11:13:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T11:40:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:26:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a473b4d1496b29725adb8644d80871ec8675aa7aeb25548b49c9653d96d06e67c15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林淑芬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:27 - 11:40:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、經濟部、外交部就「因應美國退出巴黎氣候協定並提出對等關稅，對國內產業淨零轉型造成衝擊」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請環境部部長、勞動部、教育部、經濟部針對「國內校園、賣場及工作場域之室內空氣污染物管理及防制精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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大概2017年我在這裡也質詢過產業界工廠透過SEEMS系統做了空污數據造假 |
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那個時候我們就發現其實這些業者他們使用的DHS系統就是DAS系統裡面竟然有即時值的寫入的功能而且不只可以即時的傳輸數據還能夠回頭改掉原始資料庫裡面的資料那我現在講說 |
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依照各公司場所應該設置連續自動監測設施就是SIMS系統的這一些固定污染源從製程來看 從產業來看大多數都集中在高污染的高風險的產業排放高污染 排放高風險 |
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我講白了你們所列的這一些資料裡面就是水泥製造業水泥窯然後再來就是鋼鐵冶煉業電糊爐 |
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再來是事業廢棄物的焚化爐和一般廢棄物的焚化爐再來是石化產業大家都知道我剛剛所念的石化產業鋼鐵業水泥業焚化爐事業廢棄物焚化爐這些都是大財團大產業大業主 |
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然後管制它必須24小時不間斷都要及時監測它的空污排放為什麼 因為它高風險 高污染可是我們2017年就講了而且廠商在你們設定的DAS系統裡面可以篡改資料2017年我們就講了 揭露了台塑的六清廠 |
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屢屢發現超標 然後一超標就屢屢手動修正然後篡改數據 偽造監測數據我們做這個是不是要做什麼如果可以這樣 所有的監測數據都可以回頭篡改 |
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那我们24小时的监测算什么所以这不是一个小事这是整个连续监测制度连续监测系统的信任的崩解 |
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所以我現在是為了怕部長你不知道所以我再remind一下 |
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這個SIMS系統透過DAS的這個系統還要負責收集運算壓縮分類上傳把整個連續監測才能夠送到你們部裡面來 |
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所以這個SIMS的連續自動監測系統即時監控污染數據但是數據不是直接就連線到你這裡來喔它還需要中介系統就是DAS這個系統DAHS就是數據採集和處理系統 |
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如果這個監測的大腦就是大使的系統可以被廠商動手腳或者是本身設計有漏洞那政府接收這些連續監測的數據會失真請問你在後面拍我的是哪一個單位 |
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你是誰 對啦你是哪個單位 時間暫停一下主席 我有權宜問題要請教當我在質疑這個 質詢這個問題為什麼有人一直問啊請問我只是請教一下我需要了解在座對我們立法院的問政是公開可受公平但我需要知道為什麼有人特別關注這個議題主席請裁示剛才站起來的那一位是記者嗎 |
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對啦 哪個單位 哪個記者 哪一報可以告訴我們嗎我們議場裡面也發生過啊游志斌這種事件啊那我想要了解 主席請裁示這個權宜問題先處理特別關注我在質詢這個議題的這一個記者是哪個單位的記者叫什麼名字 處理處理主席請你裁示啦 |
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請問一下是記者嗎我只是想要了解而已哪一個報 哪一個傳媒記者叫什麼名字我想要了解你為什麼對於這個議題特別要拍林淑芬沒有私下報告公開在這裡我想要公開了解 |
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主席我不希望在這裡佔用大家太多時間但是關係到委員的也有可能是人身安全的問題啊我接下來要打財團啊要就針對鋼鐵業石化業 |
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企業費企務這個大財團我就是要針對他們啊是不是可以麻煩報哪一個那個 主委這裡面來的每個人是誰你都搞不清楚狀況這樣行嗎立委在這裡問政沒有人身安全的疑慮嗎不好意思各位就在那邊講說但是你是哪來來給他給主席看一下可不可以交給主席看一下 |
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台灣時報我為什麼要講這個 |
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我們不斷的努力要求跟監督之下你們2009年20年就是109年我從2017年我們揭露了這個弊案發現你們SIMS連續監測系統是造假騙人命的那樣你們終於在2020年在SIMS的管理辦法第31條明定了你們修改的辦法 |
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你們的大使系統必須送交中央主管機關認可的第三方審查機構進行測試而且要取得合格的證明文件你們的修改文字如下 應經中央主管機關認可的 |
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驗證審查機構依規定程序與事項完成系統測試並取得驗證審查合格的文件證明不但如此你們的辦法還要求每年至少一次送第三方查驗機構做複查連續兩年合格的才可以免查否則要重新送審而且這一個修正從114年1月1號正式施行也就是 |
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你們從2017年我們揭露2020年才要改而且是拖了8年到今年的1月1號才要施行但是部長你現在你上任的時候你做了什麼你做了什麼好 包委 |
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你把這一個辦法整條刪除走回頭路經過百年才會改的這百年的時間給你行政部門給你環境部可以有時間慢慢的因應給你八年的緩衝期我們管制石化產業、焚化爐、事業廢棄業鋼鐵業、水泥業 |
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然後你們這八年做了什麼八年後你直接說刪除 刪除你也稍微解說一下 |
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保證你不知道喔 會害羞的人到底要做什麼你不知道 這重大政策重大變革而且走回頭路而且包庇業者推卸責任我今天很生氣喔我們從2017年搞到2020年才搞好結果你2025年近年幾條辦法的文字全部刪除所有的管制全部刪除你現在是怎樣 |
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給你們爭笑還是給你們爭笑?你在玩假的你把連續階段系統還當兒戲 |
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保證你講 你不知道喔 你可以說你不知道這叫政府單位來回答這個細節我待會請我們市長來報告細節不需要報告不是 包委員第一個是我對於這種監測造假的是不手軟所以我們前一陣子也重罰了幾家監測造假不要不手軟 你不要講這個你告訴我這一條你的政策裁定你基於什麼樣的考量我知道啦 我告訴你 我們來質詢我來質詢是不是青菜來質詢的 |
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林淑媛你之前,如果沒有專業,我今天來跟你講這個,你們用什麼理由把整條辦法刪除,你知道嗎?後天你不知道啦,你夾業務單位回去,我不跟你講,你被下面的人欺騙,欺上瞞下。 |
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他們用手把這一個辦法刪除 我唸給你聽非常暴力 非常的赤裸裸 非常直接你們說現在能夠擔任大使審查機構第三方驗證的單位 太少了沒有人力來消化這個審查量 |
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中學中學中學中學中學中學中學中學中學中學中學中學中 |
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喔 你們這麼聰明 聰明到用這個理由然後就把審查制度改掉 改成說 啊沒關係啦這個DAS系統交給地方環保局去查核就好了當初也是這樣耶 |
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二零一七年 也是交給地方政府去監討我講比較難聽的 台塑六清為例台塑六清地方的建設是需要一個六強申請 拜託你來幫我們補助鄉鎮的幾個幾個鄉鎮的台塑六清不可以忘記了一間人說的館長 一間人說的議長 一間人說的鄉長是這樣 |
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你們現在說我們不要再對石化業、不要再對鋼鐵業不要再對事業廢棄物的焚化爐我們的連續監測系統抓到這裡,交給地方政府去監督查核2017年抓到這裡,地方政府都沒有領略包庇地方政府也沒有專頁可以做 |
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然後人家不斷的造假所以才找到說環境部願意要第三方審查確保公平專業和不偽造不篡改現在你走回頭路讓地方環保局自己用查核程式驗證這跟你當初 |
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把整條辦法刪光的公告的審查機制不一樣 天跟地的差別啦差別是天跟地耶好 我跟你報告完看理由就是交給地方政府用程式去跑就好了部長你怎麼看 |
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你的任內1月1號要施行1月2號把條文都改掉都不用做了整個連續監測系統可以繼續造假沒那麼嚴格 |
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這樣空污喔不是用愛發電而已用人民的肺來吸這一些廢氣啦連續監測系統要監測什麼東西因監測的東西各種製程很多包括二氧化硫總還原硫這個 |
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氮氧化硫 氯化氫 氯氧化氮揮發性有機物質 排放流率等等這些東西直接排放到空氣當中污染 污染外部化 環境成本外部化然後然後叫人民去承擔我們也知道 對不對你是自己這樣高風險 高污染的 |
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我們才做24小時連續監測高風險 高汙染的 你把連續監測的制度 系統 這樣改掉好不容易國家要認真把關了 制度都沒變喔只是曾經發生了篡改 因為廠商台塑篡改所以我們才要改善這個 |
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監督的系統要確保它是正確不能篡改沒有改變制度 只是認真去執行而已現在你 現在怎麼樣 你是要宣示對圖利石化業者 圖利鋼鐵業者圖利失業廢棄物焚化爐的業者圖利水泥窯的業者 是嗎 |
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博電你說看你現在是在給我們爭笑的嗎報委員那個之前是大使現在其實用資訊系統可以來做處理的這個就是我所了解當時要改的一個原因啦那委員提出的這個要改的原因不是喔你們對外的公法不是喔你們對外的公法不要再胡說八道喔你們到外講法是可以擔任大使審查機構的第三方驗證單位太少了沒有人力消化全部的案量 |
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你現在在這裡說 跟你對外宣稱的理由不一樣喔 今天你不可以在這裡亂講你現在是怎樣 1月2號改掉了 |
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你知道地方環保局的問題嗎 地方環保局的問題有什麼 你就要搞地方 下放給地方 地方有沒有能力有沒有能力 保證 顯然你都不知道這個事情 知識體大 災團鬆到要死 人民的喜不喜感不要忘了肺癌 佔台灣癌症的這個排行榜 排名是前三大 現在是怎樣 |
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不對 你現在是用廢來吸空汙嗎用人民的廢來吸財團的空汙嗎現在你自己用人民的廢自己吸空汙嗎財團賺錢賺的死 人民生病病的要死是這樣子嗎你改這個改什麼不對的 你說給我們聽一下 |
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其實這個第一個是當時這個量能在檢測的是給你八年的時間準備還在講量能給你從2020年制定這一條到現在也四五年了還在講量能我是今年改明年就施行嗎不是喔都正早八年啦 八年的時間你準備你跟我說量能不足 騙笑的全部SIMS監測系統有幾個 空污的 |
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量能不足 專購是幾個 倒幾個四百五十個 四百五十個五百隻 沒栽掉茶葉你現在這樣說 我覺得笑話 保證還有理由嗎 還有理由嗎現在是怎樣 栽培都這麼爽空污排放出來成本這麼低 |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
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超標了 連罰金都不繳超標了 開罰單而已現在連罰單都可以篡改 改改都連罰單都不划了 騙笑的這不是裝笑的嗎當時我們揭發數據可以造假 還不是你們不是你們去找的 是我們揭發的你們包庇的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
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2017年 從以前 從我連續監督系統到2017年揭發揭露這個弊案以前政府都在包庇我們我們揭發了 揭弊了你們還不改 還給我們改回來現在是怎樣啦 你快說啊 保證我很不願意拖時間 但是這個問題這麼嚴重 我沒有辦法接受 |
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人民也沒辦法接受中華婚姻自己的鄉親也沒辦法接受好 委員這個我回去再來好好的了解再給委員做一個報告可以嗎我先跟你報告一下地方政府因為你要讓地方政府自己透過這個查核程式去檢驗 |
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1124.208 |
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我現在說一個地方政府把整個大使的查核責任交給城市交給地方政府環保局來做你們說你們會提供查核工具你們提供城市這個工具是什麼 |
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那也要有人操作地方環保局人力夠嗎專業夠嗎資料判讀的能力有嗎系統設定錯誤排除一本說明書就可以學會的嗎你們委外的SIMS計畫團隊到各地方環保局去做績效訪查時你們要寫什麼報告 |
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你們沒有看你們的限時計畫的監測的團隊去查訪發現各環保局常因人力不足沒有辦法及時掌握公司場所的資料異常仍然高度依賴環境部這裡的警示系統所發出的餘限和斷線通知 |
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現在連基本的鈔票問題都靠中央提供給他們才知道就沒人在看啦你們即便開發了異常數據儀表板 |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1207.242 |
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能夠顯示超標缺漏斷線等異常行為但是你們自己去檢查發現現場地方環保局的人力跟操作的能量仍然是短板即便環保局在第一線還沒有辦法能夠真正及時因應這你們自己去查的時候發現的對你 |
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1211.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1234.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
你們設計了一個系統那也體現了你們希望推動數據化管理的決心但是問題是地方環保局沒有專業能力可以跟得上這一些工具的使用你們的這個報告也提到系統的操作需要模擬程式資料比對模組查核案件的管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1235.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1248.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
還要能夠比對Modbus TCP協定下的傳輸數據我問你 你自己去集合地方環保局就發現都沒人力 也沒人 也沒專業你現在要再下放這個東西給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1256.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1276.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
就現有的 你們就發現地方環保局常見數據缺漏狀態嘛 異常的問題有些地方環保局呢資料的維護仍然停留在上一個城市的版本都沒有update 沒有更新欸甚至跟廠商實際設備的資訊不一致欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1279.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1284.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
甚至部分的地方環保局在進行拔除訊號線測試中斷儀器跟測試大使的訊號傳輸查核過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1291.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1311.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
出現了監測數據異常或監測數據狀態的代碼異常的狀況而且明顯不符合SIMS管理辦法的相關規範這都說明了地方環保局在現場操作上資訊落差沒有解決甚至可能是故意要掩蓋真正的污染的狀況 |
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1313.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1322.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
這不是沒發生過喔 我已經講過了台塑也不是只有六清喔台塑在南亞 在台畫廠都曾經透過大使的軟體 產出不實數據大規模造假 虛報監測值 欺騙政府而下面的人 眼睛都看不見 電台的人每天都在那裡聽不聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1342.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1347.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
保定你們不是不知道這些案例啊我們都講過了所以你們2020年才修法所以要求大使的系統必須經過驗證結果今天你把它刪除了 |
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1359.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1386.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
整個管理的制度又回到業者財團自己裝監測器 自己回報數據然後呢 地方自行查核 六天一天一天一天兩天一天一天一天一天兩天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1389.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1404.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
環境部要給我 也不是給我給全國的人民一個說法作為SIMS連續監測系統制度中最重要的大使的第三方驗證查核機制被你們說三就三你要告訴大家你為什麼走回頭路為什麼走回去包庇業者包庇大財團有利於這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1418.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1442.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
可以造假的這一條路上呢為什麼為什麼改革到一半1月1號今年1月1號要施行1月2號就中斷不用再做像話嗎太粗魯了太暴力了1月1號要做1月2號整條辦法刪掉通通都改掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1443.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1451.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
你不覺得這樣太暴力嗎你們不覺得這樣子太赤裸裸的太難看了嗎吃相難看啊包庇的難看啊不對不覺得嗎包委員那個現在是用資訊系統在做處理啊那那個資料的部分也有在封存在處理那現在這個部分這個通通都資訊系統在處理喔有SIMS全部都資訊系統喔你不要說未來是資訊系統過去也是資訊系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1473.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1498.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
不要在這裡用這種文字來呼嚨大家你現在要把改革回來了嗎?改革能夠停滯嗎?還不是改革耶 監察制度都沒有改耶只是你的管理漏洞要堵起來耶叫你把你的系統管理的漏洞要堵起來耶你把這個漏洞本來要堵起來的 又把它拿掉了荒謬 華天下之大雞 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1503.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1513.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
欺騙人民啊這不是包庇什麼是包庇你現在要怎麼做你說你要回去調查我現在在問你 就我所講的這個你難道不覺得這個漏洞應該要堵起來嗎應不應該我回去了解好不好 給我一點時間你不覺得應該要 這個漏洞絕對不允許嗎你不覺得地方政府其實是沒有能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1528.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1545.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我們知道大陸政府 啊我們要蓋一條橋 大陸我們沒有錢啊大廈你可不可以幫我們補助一下好 就是這樣處理的啊 你不知道嗎你叫男人手短的業者 男人手短的政府真的去感到那個業者 可不可能 可不可能不然你說說嘛 更有可能 如果男人手短 吃人嘴軟 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1557.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1575.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
還是要監督什麼?那是爭笑的嘛你們走不進去 我也能懷疑 何理得懷疑?是得多少好錢啦石化產業 大財團鋼鐵業 多股票上市櫃公司的大財團失業費債務 多肥 紅包不知道算多少別再說其他的 對不對你們裡面的人拿錢嗎?不會不會?不要講得這麼快 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1585.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1590.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
這些官僚2017年都還在都是他們一路包庇到現在太難看了好 委員我回去回條解再給你委員報告好 謝謝好 謝謝我們林淑芬委員發言 |