| IVOD_ID |
160306 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160306 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T09:52:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T10:07:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a4696fc16797b9cc95cf11904fa481b7b675aa7aeb25548b498466b1d63248431c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:52:12 - 10:07:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 又請我們議官會林主委好 林主委 |
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好 林副委員好那我接著這個剛剛我們李昆哲委員談到的電動車那電動車事實上確實我想在世界各地都快速成長那在台灣也呈現這個現象我們看過去10年從全台灣那一年只有664輛的電動當然還混合先講清楚那這個部分包括油電車那到了我們今年兩個月前 |
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2月份2025年2月份已經到達11萬4千多輛的電動車在台灣我們登記如果以這個幅度來講的話是成長10年成長170倍成長的一個幅度確實是非常非常大請教一下我特別有看到我們在去年前年我記得在林口有一個影星叫林志穎 |
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發生電動車什麼樣事故的時候那時候我不知道是不是林主委啦我都不清楚我還沒討論還沒有齁那時候我們就好多人委員跟那個主委啊大家討論討論去啊最後我記得沒錯那時候結論說抱歉這四人的載具齁跟我們運安會基本上的原則是不介入 |
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那到了你今年到1月剛剛講發生那個楊梅交流道那個蠻重大的事故起火造成四死四傷的一個慘劇之後就我們看到在2月份當然謝謝你們啦我認為說應安會慢了真的是慢了那到今天2月8號我們也看到你們當然這個來修改了公告修訂了 |
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這個運輸事故 重大運輸事故範圍將電動車電動車輛只要具先進的ADAS車輛也納入你們一個調查的範圍讓過去說好像完全不行的現在有點普了 也展開了調查那現在目前你們對於這種電動車的事故調查大概有多少起就剛剛報告的有現在兩件兩件在調查中嗎 |
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好 |
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那我沒有預告啦因為現在正好關稅大戰那如果台灣要用零關稅去談進口汽車非常可能會是一個被降低的這個的部分那未來在國外有很多相對的便宜的各式車輛都會進來會造成台灣的一個車輛各種的一個情況可能改變我認為電動車它這個趨勢是會更快速的一個成長 |
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你剛剛講的我們電動車調查這個進度我也去看了一下去年的6月份跟今年的1月25號陽梅休息站這個的部分都有造成了死傷尤其在陽梅交叉道這個部分全國極度關注因為覺得太悲慘了裡面有非常多的可愛的小朋友那當然我們看了回到去年6月6號這一件你也在調查中然後當然1月25號 |
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對你們來說應該發生時間還需要去累積更多的一個證據我就請問一下喔能不能大概說一下你們大概有SOP調查的整個程序大約是要多久你們自己要求自己的我們調查是分成五大階段來是現場受診階段嘛然後這個事實資料報告階段然後至少要分析還有審查等等 |
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那這個案子目前是屬於這個事實資料發布之後的階段進入這個分析的階段大概要5個月最主要調查的重點是這樣子那去年6月6號的呢去年6月6號這個來已經發布事實資料報告 |
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發布了 今天早上發布了嗎結果昨天才還沒有好啦好啦我覺得人民對於當時我們雲安會成立的期待我覺得莫忘初衷第一個我們覺得這麼多複雜的訊息這樣的一個專業的交通事故我們希望有一個單位能夠在相對有效率的讓人民能夠知道 有知的權利第二個呢能夠 |
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提供一個正確的一個訊息第三個是運安會這個專業的單位提供了重要的一個運輸事故訊息給相關單位之後能夠造成一個良性的循環他能夠改善到最後能夠避險的這個的部分但我是覺得在很多的效率上 |
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如果你是人力不夠人力根本不夠有些的部分不成比例譬如說水路啊什麼大家人力就不對稱那這個部分我是覺得你身為這個主管你必須要去自己去主張啊你看看啊因為醫護安慰的功能很重要嘛高工局他跟大家講他的調查的結果他的說法113年6月6號那個事情是變換車道不當 |
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那是定案了嗎是決定了嗎然後1月25號因為很多記者媒體訪問這種公開的聲明也算是一種他的高工局這件事情認定的調查的一個說明他認為是車輛機械操作不當我說天啊你知道嗎這個事情不管是人為那是我自己操作不當球場可能不見得有利但如果是機械 |
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或者SITEN自駕ADAS系統的一個故障或者相關的車輛的因素那他可能車商可以求償最後一個不好意思是你道路設計有問題啊因為陽梅這個部分就很多人在說嘛那就是你高空局或者你的平面道路你的主管單位有問題 |
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大家在等這個報告其實我是覺得不光是一個結果第一個促成這個機構他到底是不是交通道路設計不當或者到底車輛有問題大家都在等你這個報告還是你認同現在高滬宇說的這個報告就是結果嗎一個是變換車道不當一個是車輛急著操作不當這是不是結果 |
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高工局的改善措施或者是他的事務調查寫的這個措施只是他初步的看法他真正造勢的原因還是我剛剛報告我們還是從五階段裡面一個一個去抽絲剝繭嘛不一樣的他的報告有點等同我們的事實資料報告一樣但是我們還要進入分析還要進入去審查等等不太一樣啊 |
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所以問題現在就有很多人氣啊甚至車禍的傷者 當事人啊甚至有一些比較關心的甚至有一些專家學者還在持續對這件事情完全不同的跟高官局不同的一個說法他在等待你嘛所以一個大家可信的公平正義的一個裁判所以我們也希望在速度稍微能夠快一點 好吧這兩個在 |
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調查中那我們再說一下你調查已經結束了這個ADAS就是這種輔助或者所謂的那種自駕的一個輔助的一個系統這就不只電動車啦一般的車輛現在先進的車輛都有搭載這樣的一個功能那 |
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在高速公路上面我們的工程緩撞車被追撞的事件還是真的是蠻多的蠻多的我們就以一個112年啊因為太近了你說你沒調查好嘛112年11月底發生在我們國道1號中部的路段工程緩撞車 |
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遭這個小客車啊這個撞擊因為後面調查那個小客車有開啟ADAS系統好了你們經過了一年啊在113年去年的11月29號你們可能規定是一年啊也發布了 |
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你們確實的一個調查運輸這個事故的調查報告就表示你們完成你們負責任完成了那這種報告呢也後面送交了交通部他有必須建議他改善的事項按照的歐洲委員會制定的相關的基準來做什麼樣的改善讓更完善那給高工局呢也跟他講說因為這發生在內側 |
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高速公路內側的車道這邊的車道是超車車道你要特別的怎麼樣注意你有說強化移動性內側車道施工什麼管制布設方式我剛講最後期待 |
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你們專業的訊息在座費這麼多腦筋啊專家學者包括學界甚至學校大家提供一些意見你提出來了給交通部跟高工局那現在處理情況 |
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還是狀態有改變 又是今天早上又改變了 主委來說一下像這個不是已讀不回啦 因為依照依照法律的規定 它有90天要恢復嘛那90天法律完之後 我們還要報行政院因為行政院還有辦廣考一次 所以一般這個都是有一定的程序然後另外就是 |
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他剛起聽我同學講他有提意見但是那個意見不對又又又又他又重提啊他們有一點有一點有一點有一點呃怎麼講你還在掙扎是掙扎哈哈 |
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所以我們把他退回他從體啦是這樣子啦不是以德為我是覺得齁因為我跟你講民眾的一個期待不能這樣在政府這樣弄來弄去對民眾沒有意義民眾在罵的時候不好意思他絕對不光是罵政府某一個單位哪一個局哪一個組不可能罵 |
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你們都不知道在搞什麼嘛你們按照你們的運輸事故調查法第27條第一項誠如你說的嘛你調查報告完成之後給相關機關90天之內就是我先講喔現在是139天 |
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現在是139天遠遠超過了一個多月他們應該提出什麼呢他們應該這些單位要向行政院提出處理報告我是完全念條文啦處理報告那處理報告基本的精神就是針對你們提供專業意見可行的趕快做執行計畫吧就像我們今年會編預算要執行計畫出來那如果不可行的有障礙的或者再跟你們回報因為這個必須複製你們所以在90天 |
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顯然是沒有任何的一個狀況如果複資你們的部分你們還在等候回覆或者處理中嗎那你對於這種相關單位沒有辦法在法令的這個效能中來配合或達成改善你會不會自己也有點無奈那種感覺你可不可以說明一下 |
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我們倒不是無奈啦因為我希望他提的計畫能夠更周圍一點如果他提的這個不吞不養不是不是說他提的比較一種例行公事的話我們覺得這個跟跟我們所當時的初衷是是沒有達到的所以我們就退回叫他重提但是我們後面還有一個行政院管考的半年的管考的建議還是會繼續追蹤下去的啊現在交通部回了嗎回復了嗎高工局回了嗎回了嘛 |
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高 交通部回覆了沒有都回覆了嘛是吧都回覆了吧 對那你這邊為什麼說要等候回覆高空局的部分他們重提嘛 來 |
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你們這個狀態是什麼意思跟委員報告在高工局的部分他們已經有提出處理報告跟分向指引計畫了那目前的狀況是我們已經發函請他們重提第二次那他們的這個計畫內容那我們覺得還有一些改善的地方所以現在是在請他們重提第二次的過程那交通部呢那交通部的已經來了所以我們今天是在等高工局的今天早上嗎 今天早上來啦我們會等高工局你們這個報告是哪個單位寫的是這樣嗎 你這樣描述的過程是這樣嗎 |
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你知道嗎這個東西就簡單講一件事情我們講規規矩矩清清楚楚的這個球在誰手上 燙手上丟給誰了那總是你們自己要知道嘛現在你們這個訊息就是抱歉你們還沒給我訊息你們這個報告就是這樣如果你們覺得你像你剛剛講的完全狀態不應該在這裡我是跟主委建議一下你們譬如說已回復正在處理中嘛他就明明跟你回復啦對不對初步的回復都可以嘛 |
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那最後跟主委建議一下我們希望你們的這個很多的一個專業的意見最後變成他的一個改善的計畫能夠整體在整個面上面能夠在掀起預防這個問題因為我們再看一下國道緩撞車被撞的事件AIDAS這不光是電車任何車輛有AIDAS系統的我們特別在看從 |
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兩年多前到112年11月那時候本來有216件結果我們看到了有裝有ADAS的其中有開啟的有73件但是還是裝上去了那我們研究當時就有很多的報告希望怎麼改善結果我們再看一年半之後快兩年之後統計機到114年3月總共累積了 |
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持續增加而且有開啟的ADAS的幅度在從30%上到36%這是我剛剛在跟你提不管說你們我相信你們的專業啦你們給高工局的建議或是說給交通部的建議我希望能夠某一些能夠盡快落實從這個整個面向上面從實體的數據上面真的能夠逐步向好的一方發展我們 |
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持續努力好不好對這也是我們希望他能做到的謝謝我也知道好謝謝 |