| IVOD_ID |
160303 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160303 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-17T09:15:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-17T09:27:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2d17dc46794b9a4763e2541cb8c4794cf11904fa481b7b675aa7aeb25548b490ee0c4d3fa6fe9775ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:15:30 - 09:27:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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好主席謝謝麻煩請我們林主委好林主委 |
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好 主委好 主委本席剛剛聆聽了您的這個業務報告其中針對本席過去一直也很關注的就是ADAS 自動駕駛輔助系統你們也針對這個部分有做事故調查報告本席也把它給看完了那你的結論其實還是不脫離第一是有所謂的人為因素 對不對 |
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那第二就說在這個撞擊的所謂的這個工程車的一個部分其實可能ADAS的這個系統有不管是什麼樣的系統它有一些是沒有辦法偵測到說緩步的工程車的狀況是不是這樣子對 對 回答對不起對不起我剛剛在看對不起好沒關係 來 主委 |
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是嗎對啊好那其中人為的因素的部分我們要怎麼樣降低我想這應該是我們大家共同也來努力的地方是在ADAS自動駕駛輔助系統其實重點是要幫助駕駛可以某種程度上減輕駕駛的負擔但是絕對不是替代駕駛對不對沒有錯好在2021年其實在自動輔助系統出來之後就已經有在網路上有所謂的這個叫自駕神器我不知道主委有沒有聽過 |
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有嘛就是說自動下駛因為我們要防止說人為不要去雙手解放開所以說他就是要求說你手一定要在方向盤上但是這個上有政策下有對策啊所以說就有人就是賣所謂的這個防撞神器就是配重盤在方向盤上模擬手放在那上面那2022年2023年也都有相關報導那但是到目前為止 |
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主委知道這樣的一個神器可以在哪裡買得到嗎我是不知道不知道因為你沒有開自動駕駛車網路上有嘛對啊大家同仁也都清楚是不是因為本席查了一下到目前為止隨便查你的隨便查你的這個關鍵字還不用太多洋洋灑灑 |
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都是啊我就不講哪個廠牌啊但是它的價格從多少錢從329塊一直到就差不多300多塊它就是模擬一個沙包放在那個方向盤上那我有看到交通部也有注意速發部也有注意所以說有發函給在去年年底的時候有發函給一些比較大的拍賣場拍賣賣場 |
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警告說這有可能會造成這所謂的道教條例但是還是沒有辦法完全的根基啊而且本時我也沒有開自動自動駕駛車啊我也沒有開電動車啊但是我隨便查一下這樣的一個部分就已經有看到300多塊 |
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那如果說我們做出來的報告是告訴人講是說人為的因素佔很大宗ADAS你不能完全信任你還是要專注在這個價值上那這樣子的一個自駕神器配重神器就跟我們的政策背道而馳啊 主委 |
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台灣還沒有達到百分之百自家工人的系統他們都是屬於先進價值輔助系統那自從上次那個戴雅路端那個案子公布之後我們有去訪查那個高工局甚至公路局他們在各個主要道路的那個高速公路那個顯示板他們都會警告說 |
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進入茶大的時候在某些特殊狀況的時候請勿開啟先進駕駛因為他認為他有他的局限性是主委現在就是現實狀況跟我們實際狀況不同嘛我們不能只是學術研究我現在講的是說我另外再找到另外一個拍賣他從700多塊到1000多塊不等就可以替代騙電腦你有在駕駛那這樣子的部分 |
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運安會已經做出報告也告訴大家說人為的因素占大宗這是你的結論嘛對那這樣子是不是能夠運安會你找到問題協同網路主管機關 速發部協同交通部 協同經濟部至少讓這樣子的因為這個東西很難界定它是否違法但是它確實會造成道路上非常嚴重的交通安全 |
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那既然你運安會已經做出了報告也證實是說A大使不能完全的信任那能不能有比較明確告訴我們的駕駛朋友不要使用這樣的一個工具有可能害人害己方便99次但是只要有一次不方便那就是天人永隔可以嗎 |
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我認為這個是很可惜的我們會把這個資訊納入下一次我們在有關電動車ADAS的調查過程裡面我們特別建議的是本席要求的是應該是要找交通部應該是要找速發部共同來沒有錯我們會協調交通部會跟交通部說你這個有關未來的這個檢驗多久時間可以來做這樣的一個處理 |
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我們會不要讓民眾那麼方便使用好像這個東西是變成是我們沒有鼓勵啊我們甚至要求說不應該要出現這樣的東西啊因為它跟我們的設計是背道而馳的啊是我們來協調交通部啊 塑化部啊 經濟部看有關這個所謂自駕自駕車跟經濟就ADAS這個它是還是有區隔的啦好 所以因為我還有其他議題一個月內我們來溝通協調可以嗎 |
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我們來協助交通部看看不是協助我們跟他講你們找交通部找速發部找經濟部找相關部會來溝通這樣的一個部分好嗎一個月內那如果說後續的資料再請提供給本席那再來第二個 |
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主委現在我們看到說這個隨身電源啊很多航空公司我們國內的航空都禁止對不對因為它有可能有自然的狀況但是隨身電源大家比較能夠理解可是現在還有一些情況我想這也是從我們的飛安自願報告系統裡面這今年2月找出來的一個自願報告系統您看一下他說 |
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藍牙耳機因為現在我們有太多東西都是所謂的這個有離電池嘛藍牙耳機也是一個這個是2月20號的時候有人反映說坐航空公司的時候他藍牙耳機掉到座位裡面因為考量藍牙耳機有離電池沒有取出來會對飛航造成安全危險他可能卡在那邊 |
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不小心或是未來有可能有自然的風險導致派遣員工等等拆除座椅拿出耳機而造成航班的延誤 |
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您知道這個狀況嗎對 我有聽說 但是我覺得這個實際上是這個上一段時間對越來越多的突發狀況我會把這個訊息再跟他確認本席現在要講 你們您看一下你的處理結果是未來發生類似事情優先通報並且用相關的辦法磁吸棒 磁加物等來取出耳機嘛 |
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那不是只是針對這個因為您剛剛講到上有政策沒有錯就是現在有越來越多我們國人使用的時候或是說全世界的先進產品越來越多是有離電池那掛一漏萬的情況下是不是應該我們要超前部署就是說針對這個部分有一視同仁的要求跟標準或是說參考其他國家的案例該怎麼樣的處理我們不可能禁止國人或是不可能禁止全世界人類不用藍牙耳機 |
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那有這樣的狀況要怎麼樣處理是不是應該要訂出一個標準跟方法 |
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我們會在揮揚安全事件調查案子裡面把這個藝術考慮裡面跟民產局在協調請他們要特別注意這個把他拉進去或者是說是不是之後可能要求我們機場公司還是相關單位可能因為針對這個離電池藍芽耳機他可能他的特性是有你看磁吸棒他可能裡面是有磁鐵或是說有金屬相關所以採取磁吸棒比較容易把卡在 |
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細縫裡面的這些物品給取出來是不是而不是發生問題之後找不到工具對 這個是很好的一個意見我會同樣轉給美鳳姐前面跟航空公司討論的時候這個也是屬於其中的一個改善的方式好 因為現在我們看到就是說有自然的一個狀況嘛那甚至我們這個 |
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這個月還有看到高鐵或台鐵也有隨身電源自燃的狀況當然路上的交通工具我也查了各全國都目前是沒有禁止路上交通工具使用但是宣導的部分要告訴國人是說離電池他如果說使用壽命太久可能有相關的運輸風險這可能也是未來我們要考量的狀況最後講到電池啊 |
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582.165 |
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601.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
為什麼會這樣提就是因為最近也有一個議題我想我也在這邊提出來跟主委這邊來就教主委兩天前有平面媒體報導非法改裝露營車的問題我不知道你有沒有注意到其實最主要是台灣現在因為疫情過後很多的民眾也都認為是說露營是一個風潮 |
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631.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那所以說就會購買露營車但是購買車輛去改裝露營車可是台灣現在的道路相關法規不管是交通部不管是我們其他單位其實對於露營車的規範沒有那麼的明確那其中衍生一個很大的問題是很多人會去做這個露營車的一個改裝但是因為沒有改裝法規所以就變成是他會先送車體給車安中心 |
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656.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這個先去驗車 驗車完畢之後再去做改裝那改裝民間改裝廠他可能還會有增加什麼太陽光電板或者說這個增加這個便宜的電瓶而導致充電時候行走時候起火時有所聞那這些狀況其實無形當中也都會增加在道路上的一個安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
658.344 |
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681.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
確實沒有錯 我會提醒交通主管機關來注意這一點 確實沒有錯主委 因為這個部分現在還沒有發生 其實我覺得很好的情況是運安會如果我們每一次都可以針對這些事情來去做超前的討論我本席是期待的 因為代表沒有事情發生我們都是在討論未來有可能的風險 我們來降低風險 |
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710.019 |
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所以現在露營車的狀況前幾天大篇幅的報導那有講到是說希望有合格合法的改裝規範規劃到底怎麼樣的改裝是符合我們的標準符合我們的需求那以及可以讓真的使用露營車的人合法安心上路這一點部分運安會可以跟交通部來做怎麼樣的一個努力 |
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我們可以把它變成一個議題式的案子來做分析跟交通部來合作好那這個議題我們什麼時候可以啟動 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這個也要因為這個不好意思這不是我們主管但是我要跟交通部協調說有這個議題你們是不是只派公路局啊或是哪個單位來對這個案子來跟我們做我們有一個運輸安全組我們跟他看看有沒有這個議題試試看怎麼樣來研究這個好那我也拜託主委那是不是就是一個月內跟交通部內針對這個議題來去做溝通是沒問題好感謝謝謝委員好謝謝我們 |