| IVOD_ID |
160280 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160280 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T12:20:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T12:31:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df7984bf09c32d0dcfb2710058b23c04f82021fb25ab74fd83acf5f62b65bb2c8e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:24 - 12:31:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議議程（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長及財政部首長就「因應國際貿易情勢變化，如何協助國內廠商擴大國際市場」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請國發會主委 經濟部部長郭主委 呃 郭部長 劉主委委員好 |
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兩位好,先請教主委,之前我揭發盧欣娜的弊案,持續在追蹤當初花了納稅人15億,說要去併購中國的酒地,搞了半天是被人家反向併購把台灣納稅人跟資本市場的錢拿去中國胡搞瞎搞結果這件事情已經起訴了,一審其實也判出來了 |
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但我一直追查我發現很奇怪當初跟陳世修勾結的一個中國人叫做孫陽我一開始揭發弊案就點名他了啦他媽媽是中共的高幹那很奇怪啊這個被台灣通緝的人結果呢結果實際上面還在我們國發基金投資的盧新當董事 |
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中國那邊實際上面營運他還是實際的負責人這件事情國發會應該有掌握了吧我上次有提醒過你這個我們有掌握了我們做了三件事情是第一個我們去函這個上市委公司的主管單位金管會請求他們表示意見第二個我們也找了律師然後呢我們也發函給蘆星公司要求撤換孫楊第三個部分我們預防將來撤換有問題我們也進行試骨 |
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上一次啦,我當面跟主委提醒這件事啦我提醒完了以後,你們馬上就採取了動作,這件事情我是肯定啦但是我要跟主委講的事情喔,是說我們的國發基金啊,派去爐心的董事啊,是在睡覺嗎?是在睡覺嗎?這個事情要我講,你們才會發現,才會動 |
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一個被台灣的法院通緝的中國通緝犯在我們國發基金投資的公司裡面繼續在中國那邊的營運當負責人妥當嗎?適合嗎?台灣人的錢已經被騙得這麼慘了抓不到這個中國人還繼續讓他負責中國那邊的業務錢太多 |
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委員這個我們會去了解我們的董事有沒有清楚如果有的話我們會進行董事的更換一個禮拜之內回覆可以嗎沒有問題好謝謝第二個另外一個號稱我們國家投資了30億綠能國家隊不是只有國發基金藥花玻璃也有是希望能夠發展我們太陽能自主的產業 |
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那當然投資的績效不好這個我們另外再討論啦投資前已經虧損上百億啊投資後繼續虧損上百億啊當初投資決策怎麼做的這個不是我今天要討論的重點 |
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我今天要討論的重點是什麼當初我們扶植這個太陽能國家隊就是希望這些太陽能相關的產品電池能夠在台灣好好生產嘛那要不然怎麼叫太陽能國家隊當初成立了以後這個聯合再生的董事長還在媒體上面大聲疾呼啊說第三地的模組啊傾銷台灣啊將成為國安的隱憂啊 |
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大陸的太陽能模組透過東南亞製造稀產地大量傾銷台灣啊這個會影響到台灣的什麼 國安隱憂啊這個是在2023年的時候啊他在媒體上面啊 大聲疾呼的內容啊他這樣大聲疾呼啊來請教一下國發會的主委 贊不贊成 |
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我當時我還沒有進入政府但是我們當時如果從扶植台灣太陽能產業的角度來看我是贊成這樣的做法沒錯但是現在就是說計劃與支持之間的差異我們如何去彌補但是我今天要注意我們是善意投資人我今天不是經營之神等一下等一下 |
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我今天要跟主委講的事情 不是前面那一趴啦 虧損的部分 那個我說另外再討論啦我先就這件事情來講 現在我看不懂為什麼對外面說的是一套 做的是另外一套 來看下一張我台灣的綠能國家隊 拿台灣人的錢去投資 講紓困可能太沉重 |
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他要賣太陽能的電池要賣到土耳其結果竟然是從中國的上海出貨這件事情很奇怪啊是台灣人的太陽能電池先運到中國的上海然後再去土耳其還是直接就在賣中國的電池主委你認為咧 |
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委員我跟你報告我不是檢調單位我又不是監理單位我只是投資單位但是我們沒有能力去做檢調的工作但是但是如果您有證據給我我跟上次的承諾一樣我一定去告發我希望你把證據給我這樣違法我一定做我們一件一件來啦現在我要告訴主委的事情是說第一個我們的台灣啊 |
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太陽能的國家隊賣到外面的產品結果是在幫誰賣貨在幫中國賣貨這我沒有辦法接受這我沒有辦法接受這個是第一件事情我可以同意你的看法但是委員也請注意喔我之前就已經回應了我們已經在進行事故這是我們目前最好的解決方案但是如果有違法的證據主委我先跟你溝通一件事情啦 |
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不要每一次都拿不同層次的事情來處理啦第一個 我今天要跟你表達的態度非常的清楚我看你今天的回應 你顯然是不知道沒有關係 我會站在這邊質詢就是公開提供檢舉資訊給你第二個 我現在要跟主委講的是啊這也不是什麼秘密啊 這已經是公開資訊了 |
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這已經是公開資訊了但我懷疑的事情是什麼我懷疑的事情是說我們台灣的太陽能國家隊怎麼會在做這種事情下面還有其他的公開資訊我再給主委看JA Solar是哪一個國家的太陽能模組時間的關係我直接跟主委報告JA Solar是中國的太陽能是中國的太陽能模組 |
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這個在經濟部上面全部都有登記那我現在就搞不清楚狀況我們的太陽能國家隊結果成立國家隊 號稱國家隊那個是上引號下引號那是台灣之光 台灣的驕傲結果我們的太陽能國家隊在做的事情是什麼淪為中國太陽能的模組代理商主委你贊成嗎 |
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我們當時投資那個聯合再生的時候是希望再創台灣的太陽能產業當時的目的這是我們投資目的那這個結果不是我們樂見的不是你們樂見的嗎我們會去理解如果它違法我們一定會處理 |
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現在喔有兩個層次啊一個是主委說剛所講的違法的層次嘛所以我就一直在問嘛我希望國發基金等一下等一下主委請你先聽我說完好兩個層次的問題主委我只是 |
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我跟你就是溝通到現在我基本上是蠻尊敬你的對我也是因為我覺得你有擔當所以我是很善意的把這些資訊跟你講是我提醒兩件事情第一個你們那個國發基金派去聯合再生的董事提醒他一下這不是什麼秘密的事情 |
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這全部都是公開資訊委員 正常的董事會不會討論到這麼細節的事情呢欸等一下喔但是我們國發基金派去聯合再生的董事他肩負的責任是什麼他肩負的責任董事裡面我們國家派去的董事這一點都不細欸這已經牽涉到你剛剛所講的欸沒有委員我從企業出來的這是不是有維持到國家政策的問題欸我從企業出來的喔董事會會依據董事會議程來討論跟開會 |
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他不會去了解到每一個訂單的細節我再跟主委講這個不是訂單的細節這個是公開的資訊今天主委你願意請董事下去這本來就是應該他做的事情但是派去的董事就要有功能他如果能夠發揮功能的話就可以站在國家的立場不要讓這種丟人現眼的事情發生 |
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怎麼會是我今天站在這邊質詢這件事情呢我很謝謝 我很佩服委員有這麼多的資訊管道我也謝謝你提供這些資訊給我我們一定會 |
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以來做進行必要的處理時間的關係我不影響下一個委員諮詢的時間我只提醒一件事情我只提醒一件事情我們現在在面對的事情大家對習產地這件事情深惡痛絕的時候結果裡面竟然有我們自己國發基金投資的公司深陷其中這件事情對台灣的國際信譽會造成相當大的打擊 |
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我希望國發會能夠非常嚴肅的面對這個課題可以嗎我們非常的嚴肅我們也依據上市委員的交代我們已經發文給所有的投資公司目前已經也收回了四十幾份資料我們已經跟您做一個報告我們會持續要求把這些這些廠商提出他們的切結書OK這是我們Best Can Do最後一件事聯合再生在做這件事情為什麼做這件事情一個禮拜之內給我回覆可以嗎 |
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我們會去發文了解請他解釋OK好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝 |