| IVOD_ID |
160261 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160261 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T12:32:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T12:40:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279dfc840525cf3dc7661a3fd8a5ba555e8251a52cf64e50924c0b165d9c3a9e3ea845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:32:07 - 12:40:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請莊部長還有經濟部的江次長還有農業部的杜次長 |
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大家這段時間辛苦了我們現在共體時間在共護國難那個江市長還特別代表我們代表團去跟美國談判等一下有些進度我要請教你那我先問一個比較關鍵的其實這段時間這個談判引起大家最大衝擊的其實就是我們在總統說的從零關稅 |
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開始談起那至少有三個層面影響會非常的大第一個是我們關稅直接會減損多少第二個如果真的是零關稅或者關稅非常低那對產業衝擊會很大還有非關稅的這個障礙我先來請教柏定 再見柏定關稅如果用從零關稅或很低的關稅去談馬上影響到就是你的關稅收入減少對不對 |
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我們統計過113年從美國進口的貨物我們實際課真的關稅大概是7.5億美元大概247億7.5億美元你去年整體的關稅收入多少差不多1500億1609股尼關稅的收入是1609那美國呢 |
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所以美國是247億我剛剛講是7.5億的美元在我們關稅的佔比高達15.38所以現在要跟全民講清楚如果真的我們的關稅歸零 |
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對美的關稅歸零 從零關稅來算我們的稅損就是224億的新台幣了在我們關稅的15.38所以保定 你要極力 也要試著要去爭取歸零這對全民的關稅收入影響非常的大在談判的時候 我想我們的談判團隊會有各種不同的相關的策略跟情境來做討論我想這個部分不是 就像委員講說 |
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全部都歸零啦好的談判就是有給也有拿所以我才說你要給跟拿的同時你要抓好你要知道跟全民講說這邊牽扯到247億而且它更重要它不是只有美國如果是美國零的話零關稅那我們跟其他國家FTA那個會有很大衝擊欸最近我們光是跟紐西蘭你看一個先來 |
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一個先生現在要零關稅進來對不對你看那個對台灣的那個產業就已經影響很大了對我們關稅也有影響啊所以部長我先問你這個問題我們讓全民知道關稅的損失零關稅是這麼大的那如果一趴兩趴當然損害會很大所以問財政部要盡量幫我們人民爭取權利另外裡面牽扯到一個比較大的這個進口關稅如果是零啊農業部的次長在現場我來問一下杜Sir |
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我看那個養雞協會歷史上有照出來說如果零關稅 聽到這個 他們嚇都嚇死對不對 你有看到嗎 養豬協會也是緊張到所有跟農業跟畜牧業有關的看到這個零 或者關稅很低 都嚇到了我問你一下 我們現在米啊米 現在每一年從國外配合進來的米有多少 |
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大概有14萬公噸14萬4720公噸美國就佔了其中的45%其中就佔了45%然後我跟你講你知道我們台灣平均起來一公斤的米大概多少錢一公斤到哪裡?40塊左右,來我們農糧署來 |
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你現在平均一公斤多少錢平均白米是四十塊四十多嘛白米再加其他米大概五十米夠了米夠米差不多一公斤多少大概三十五塊左右三十到三十五嘛所以你看美國是大面積耕種他的米很多價格又比我們少那米如果進來你如果真的用你把取消配額我們現在用一個配額在那邊美國已經佔了我們的四十五趴了 |
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配額現在是賣多少?一公斤四十五嘛配額內是賣多少?配額內是零關稅配額外四十五塊還有權利金權利金平均起來大概十幾塊所以你看我們台灣米差不多四兆到四十五塊美國米大概三十到三五他們配額進來四十五那你現在把它全部要降到零關稅 |
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那這完蛋了等於是美國將近30塊米進來打垮了我們台灣的50塊的這個米所以這米這一塊我明確的要求次長回去跟部長講清楚今天招信員都在米啊 |
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不能零關稅而且價格不能太低所有談判都會以農業保障那些農民最優先一定要保障到農民的那個要不然的話我跟你講不只是那個整個米價整個被衝擊了我們30萬那個跟農有關係的到農生活就受影響了這就是內容喔我們的那個整個那個 |
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整個那個農業會很大影響保障台灣農業最優先牛肉是10.10%嘛對不對豬肉12.5%雞肉雞肉傷20%影響最大雞肉如果是從20%以下降到零的話那就太慘了也要幫我們台灣的農業做最優勝的事情我知道大家主席已經站起來了我做個結論 |
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我做要求三個結論 部長你聽一下現在我們都看到了 你看戴文老將 現在處境真的很艱困啊川普是從最高的32先丟出來 然後往下慢慢降我們是從零啊 我們必須要美國保護我們要表現我們的友善 甚至是投降 我們從零開始談你看兩個是落差非常的大的所以我們至少要做三件事情 我今天具體的要求第一 行政院本來我去行政院這個草野協商的時候啊 |
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就說要提出一個細部的衝擊影響評估報告現在細部還沒出來在一個禮拜內給我這個第二個我們剛才講的我們現在全部都看到大部分都在講說什麼事我們賣到美國那邊關稅人家課多少可是我們國內現在人民影響會更大是什麼其實不是只有出去我們進來的時候剛講不是全部都用 |
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不只不能零關稅關稅也不能太低要不然第一個剛講到的關稅損失的第二個對我們農產品對我們的產業影響很大所以這塊到底影響是什麼所以我要求第二個從經濟部跟農業部針對我國被迫要降低關稅這一塊甚至是零關稅你到底對我們衝擊有多大一個禮拜給我一份報告好不好這本來應該是你們就應該有的嘛對不對 |
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當總統講說可能用從零關稅開始談,您本來就應該有這個東西囉好不好,一個禮拜時間給我這個,好不好第三個,現在他碰到的問題就是降低那個非關稅障礙冒害那個非關稅的那個障礙的影響那個衝擊報告也給我一份一個禮拜,可以嗎 |
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好 謝謝應該是總統對外講說從零關稅開始談應該是有的東西嘛市長你們手上應該都有對不對有吧你們不會打給總統吧應該有吧有齁那一個禮拜一個禮拜給我應該送過來我28號我們那個立法院的訪問團就要去美国一個禮拜給我 |
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張委員啓楷：（12時32分）請莊部長、經濟部江次長、農業部杜次長。 |
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主席：請莊部長、江次長、杜次長。 |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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張委員啓楷：大家這段時間辛苦了，我們要共體時艱、共赴國難。江次長還特別代表我們代表團去跟美國談判，稍後請教有關進度的問題。本席現在先問比較關鍵的，其實這段時間的談判，引起大家最大衝擊的就是我們賴總統說的，從零關稅開始談起，那至少會有三個層面的影響會非常大，第一，我們關稅直接會減損多少？第二，如果真的是零關稅或者關稅非常低，對產業衝擊會很大，還有非關稅的障礙。我先來請教財政部長，關稅如果從零關稅或很低的關稅去談，馬上影響到的就是我們的關稅收入減少，對不對？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我們統計過113年從美國進口的貨物，我們實際課徵的關稅大概是7.5億美元，大概247億新台幣…… |
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張委員啓楷：等一下，你說多少？ |
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莊部長翠雲：7.5億美元。 |
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張委員啓楷：去年整體的關稅收入多少？ |
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莊部長翠雲：差不多1,500億。 |
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張委員啓楷：去年關稅的收入是1,609億，那美國呢？ |
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莊部長翠雲：美國是247億，這是新臺幣，我剛剛講是7.5億的美元，新臺幣是247億。 |
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張委員啓楷：占我們關稅的占比高達15.38%，所以現在要跟全民講清楚，如果真的我們的關稅歸零，對美的關稅歸零，用從零關稅來算，我們的稅損就是224億新臺幣了，占我們關稅的15.38%。所以部長要極力也要試著去爭取，歸零對我們全民的關稅收入影響非常大。 |
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莊部長翠雲：在談判的時候，我們的談判團隊會有各種不同的相關策略跟情境來做討論，我想這個部分不是就像委員所講的全部都歸零。 |
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張委員啓楷：當然了，好的談判就是有給也有拿，所以我才說你在給跟拿的同時要抓好，你要跟全民講這邊牽扯到247億。而且更重要的不是只有美國，如果是美國零關稅，我們跟其他國家FTA會有很大衝擊，最近我們光是跟紐西蘭，你看鮮奶現在要零關稅進來，對不對？你看那個對台灣的產業就已經影響很大了，對我們關稅也有影響啊！所以部長我先問你這個問題，我們讓全民知道，關稅的損失若是零關稅是這麼大的，如果是1%、2%，當然損害會很大，所以財政部要儘量幫我們人民爭取權利。 |
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另外，裡面牽扯到一個比較大的，進口關稅如果是零，農業部次長在現場，我來請教一下，我看養雞協會理事長出來說如果零關稅的話，他們聽到這個嚇都嚇死了，對不對？你有看到嘛！ |
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杜次長文珍：有。 |
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張委員啓楷：養豬協會也是很緊張，所有跟農業、跟畜牧業有關的，看到這個零或者關稅很低都嚇到了。我問一下米的部分，現在每一年從國外配額進來的米有多少？ |
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杜次長文珍：大概有54萬公噸……14萬公噸。 |
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張委員啓楷：差太多了啦！14萬4,720公噸，美國就占了其中的45%。次長，你知道台灣平均1公斤米大概多少錢嗎？你們的專家有在嘛？ |
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杜次長文珍：請農糧署黃副署長向委員說明。 |
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張委員啓楷：現在米平均起來1公斤多少錢？ |
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黃副署長昭興：平均白米是40塊。 |
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張委員啓楷：四十多嘛，白米加其他米大概要50。美國米大概1公斤多少？ |
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黃副署長昭興：大概35塊左右。 |
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張委員啓楷：30到35塊嘛！所以你看，美國是大面積耕種，他們的米很多，價格又比我們少，那他們的米如果進來，我們現在是用一個配額在那邊，美國已經占了我們的45%了，對不對？配額現在是賣1公斤45塊，配額內是賣多少？ |
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黃副署長昭興：配額內是零關稅，但是…… |
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張委員啓楷：配額外是45塊，對不對？ |
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黃副署長昭興：還有權利金，權利金平均起來大概十幾塊。 |
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張委員啓楷：所以你看我們台灣米差不多40到45塊，美國米大概30到35塊，他們配額進來45塊，你現在把它全部都降到零關稅，那這完蛋了，等於是美國將近30塊的米進來，打垮了我們台灣50塊的米。所以我對米這一塊明確的要求，次長回去跟部長講清楚，米不能零關稅，而且價格不能太低。 |
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杜次長文珍：所有談判都會保障農業，且以農民最優先。 |
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張委員啓楷：一定要保障到農民，要不然的話我跟你講，不只是整個米價被衝擊了，我們30萬跟農有關係的稻農，生活就受影響了。 |
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杜次長文珍：所有都以保障台灣農業為最後優先。 |
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張委員啓楷：這就是滅農喔，我們整個農業會有很大影響。 |
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杜次長文珍：保障台灣農業最優先。 |
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張委員啓楷：我再請教，牛肉是10%嘛，對不對？豬肉12.5%，雞肉多少？雞肉現在影響最大。 |
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杜次長文珍：20%。 |
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張委員啓楷：雞肉如果從20%一下降到零的話，那就太慘了。 |
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杜次長文珍：也是要保障我們台灣的農業，做最優先的考量。 |
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張委員啓楷：主席已經站起來了，我做個結論。我提出三個要求，部長聽一下。我們都看到台灣現在的處境真的很艱困，川普是從最高的32%先丟出來，然後往下慢慢降，反觀我們是從零，我們需要美國保護我們，我們要表現友善，甚至是投降，我們從零開始談，你看兩個的落差是非常的大，所以我們至少要做三件事情，我今天具體的要求：第一，我去行政院推行協商的時候，就說要提出一個細部的衝擊影響評估報告，現在細部的還沒出來，在一個禮拜內給我這個。 |
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主席：謝謝張啓楷委員…… |
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張委員啓楷：第二，我們剛才講的，我們現在全部都看到，大部分都在講什麼是我們賣到美國那邊，關稅人家課多少，可是我們國內現在人民影響會更大的是什麼？其實不是只有出去，我們進來的時候，不只不能零關稅，關稅也不能太低，要不然會有我剛剛講到的關稅損失，對我們的農產品及對我們的產業影響很大，所以這塊到底影響是什麼？所以我要求從經濟部跟農業部，針對我國被迫要降低關稅這一塊，甚至是零關稅，到底對我們衝擊有多大，請一個禮拜內給我一個報告好不好？這本來是你們應該有的嘛，對不對？當總統講可能從零關稅開始談，你們本來就應該有這個東西了，請一個禮拜的時間給我這個，好不好？ |
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第三，現在還碰到一個問題就是降低非關稅障礙的影響，那個衝擊報告也給我一份，一個禮拜的時間可以嗎？這應該是總統對外講從零關稅開始談，你們應該就有的東西嘛，你們手上應該都有對不對？有吧？你們不會打臉總統吧？應該有吧？有喔？ |
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主席：次長，儘快把資料提供給張啓楷委員。 |
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張委員啓楷：一個禮拜給我喔！一定要送過來，28號我們立法院訪問團要去美國，一個禮拜內給我。 |
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主席：謝謝啓楷委員。 |
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張委員啓楷：一個禮拜給我。謝謝，一起加油。 |
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主席：謝謝啓楷委員。 |
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繼續請黃國昌委員質詢。 |
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190 |
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委員會-11-3-20-8 |
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賴惠員 |
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林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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郭國文 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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李彥秀 |
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李坤城 |
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顏寬恒 |
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黃珊珊 |
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林思銘 |
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陳玉珍 |
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羅明才 |
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王世堅 |
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張啓楷 |
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黃國昌 |
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林楚茵 |
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徐富癸 |
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陳冠廷 |
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牛煦庭 |
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黃捷 |
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邱志偉 |
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117 |
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2025-04-16 |
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1143801 |
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1143801_00004 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透
過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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1143801_00003 |