| IVOD_ID |
160256 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160256 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T12:07:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T12:16:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279dffb9588d5311cbd48f316f6363e53358e1a52cf64e50924c08bb73d48aa6b54ac5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:32 - 12:16:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長、經濟部次長、外交部次長、財政部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室就「美國課徵對等關稅對我國交通公私部門之衝擊與因應」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 這個時間很有限請陳部長跟高鐵公司鄭董事長好 高鐵鄭董董事長好高鐵204這個班次發生了在板橋站過站 |
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應該是說不能說沒有停啦應該是停下來沒開門就開走了那這個事情我不知道大家怎麼看待在本席來看我覺得這個是一個當然你們已經做了一些處置包括做了一些處分但本席對這個事情的看法是我們要徹底把這個案例拿出來檢討然後並提出到底它發生了什麼事情那該如何來改進 |
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這個部長如果你不是了解那個詳細可以請鄭董事長回答沒有關係我想請教一下那一天停車大概幾秒鐘他停車大概只有20幾秒那通常20幾秒的門為什麼沒有打開 |
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基本上他要停下來以後這個駕駛他那時候他還在猶豫這個是不是要停下來還是說是一個通過站因為在之前他一個經驗他大概一兩個月裡面他在同樣的這個地方前後 |
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一二三那一跟三啊都是呢通過站結果呢他結果他六次啊這個第六次呢前面五次都是通過的結果那一次呢我的意思是說那他為什麼停下來之後才開始思考這個問題 |
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他是這樣就是他所以他犯了一個錯誤就是說他應該有他是有一個疑慮他應該趕快那個請教我們的行動中心結果他沒有這個做他想說留下來以後他要看他自己的平板確定他的這個訊息是不是對的不是 董事長你們的邏輯是到站之後才確定這一站他要停不停他是停下來之後再確定要不要停還是說 |
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我今天開 我開始懷疑了我要不要停 我就開始問控制中心說這一站要不要停因為他的弔詭在於 他已經停起來了他停起來 然後24秒我們每天搭高鐵上班的人都知道停下來到開門 大概5秒吧 5秒門就開了因為你還有一個列車長在門口控制那個開門 對不對 |
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所以他停二十幾秒之當中他到底發生了什麼事情他停下來然後開始想這站要停嗎就是一般人如果說他說他沒有停他忘了他根本不知道這站要停西湖就直接開過去我還能夠稍微理解就是他可能走神了他可能分心了他可能想到Maybe很快樂的事情就一路開過去了 |
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可是他是停下來還20幾秒董事長有沒有查看看他這20幾秒到底發生什麼事情我補充一下包委員其實在他出發之前出站之前在briefing的過程已經有告訴他要停哪些站所以基本上他在那個時刻就應該要知道所以他每一站哪站要停自己要清楚那第二他到了站之後他停下來他要給列車長一個指示列車長才能開門 |
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那當時他沒有給列車長指示於是列車長趕快就要打電話給他給駕駛那打給他的過程當中他也應該要問清楚聽電話聽清楚結果他沒聽清楚他以為列車長是要催他說趕快走你不應該停那那個時候其實他還可以看平板確認 |
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但實際上他又沒有去看平板確認但即便你不看平板確認你也應該跟OCC聯繫也就是行空中心聯繫確認說我這站到底要停或者是不停當他不確定的時候但他也沒做這個動作於是車子就開出去了所以連串的其實都有機制可以防呆但他該做的很像都沒做部長你這樣回答我能夠理解換言之這24秒其實就是在這個 |
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跟列車長處理停不停開不開走不走就是這些問題就是他在猶豫的過程好那這一個事件啊凸顯當你設計了這些機制他還是會停下來20幾秒然後開走有沒有想到接下來要怎麼辦 |
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是 我們認為說在這種情況發生的時候應該是一個就是我們的列車長可以馬上按我們的PEI讓車子就停下來這是一個機制另外一個方式就是說這個列車長趕快告訴我們OCC請OCC把他這個車子把它停下來這兩個機制 |
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這個就是接下來不會再發生這種事因為你這裡面看起來你設計了一些防呆的機制但看起來這是一連串防呆機制失效之後所產生的這個結果所以那個防呆還不夠防就更呆的情況底下你就防不了了 |
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就呆到這個程度就會產生今天這個現象之前的機制是針對駕駛而已那現在就是增加了其他的單位可以把列車停下來的一個權限 |
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所以跟這個委員報告就是我們往後這個朝向加強這個列車長駕駛列車長以及行控中心三個的互相聯繫的這個的這種動作我們要加強那這件事情我們真的是感覺很抱歉讓這個不管旅客也不方便讓我們社會大眾甚至我們委員這邊都這麼的關切我其實覺得旅客不方便是這裡面受傷最小 |
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就旅客很重要喔,但是如果今天是因為有波比啦,這沒有停往前開沒有發生任何意外嘛,就是只有耽誤了旅客當然這很重要,但是如果跟意外比起來旅客的時間的浪費反而是最輕的啦 |
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所以我覺得這件事情不能等閒置之的原因是因為高鐵是幾乎成為現在無論是這個就國人無論商務或者旅行他最重要的交通工具之一 |
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那同時每天尤其是大家現在知道高鐵都塞嘛車人很多像假日啊這個立法院都在問買得到票買不到票連立法委員都每天都在關心自己買得到票能不能回去你就知道一般民眾那難度更高了所以你接下來要調整的方式你一定是更密集 |
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就你只能更密集,不然難道你要蓋第二條高鐵嘛對不對那你更密集對於這種防呆的精準度就如果簡單講他該停沒有停,然後前面剛好那台車子也還在那這個時候恐怕所釀成的這個問題恐怕會更大所以呢這個 |
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我很訝異是因為高鐵公司竟然會發生這種事情這個讓我很訝異那竟然訝異了它到底問題出在哪裡我們原先的房呆設計表示還是不夠房子啦所以應該在這方面還是要再加強 |
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謝謝委員的指教我們會挑戰我們這些各種剛才講的SOP會來強化那另外跟委員報告一點這個所謂的會不會追撞這個事情呢在高鐵的這個所謂的Fair to Safe的這個概念是不會的因為它每一個控制我們那個電路板那個軌道電路裡面會 |
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要求你前面有這個車子你這邊就不能就停下來不會進去所以這點我補充報告這個我當然知道啦但我的意思就是說我也沒想過會有過站不停或者是停下來20幾秒再開走沒有上下車就跟你現在跟我講說不會啦我們都設計好這個不會追撞不會什麼就是我原先也不會放就是 |
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當聽到這個事情的時候我第一個時間我助理告訴我說我還跟人家講說這一定是假消息那有可能高鐵怎麼可能發生這種事情那過不久就發生了所以我的意思就是更謹慎的態度來面對你認為不可能發生的事情謝謝韋爺的指教讓我們可以深切檢討 |