| IVOD_ID |
160250 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160250 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T12:11:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T12:20:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df8341310d6de0015fb2710058b23c04f81a52cf64e50924c019376995a466ca645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:11:43 - 12:20:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議議程（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長及財政部首長就「因應國際貿易情勢變化，如何協助國內廠商擴大國際市場」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席各位先進我們請經濟部的郭部長郭部長以及經濟部的柳主委一起好嗎好 柳主委 |
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委員好兩位長官好我請教因為我也是同一個問題今天很多人疑問了我們到底是第一輪還是第幾輪因為美國商務部公布的第一輪沒有台灣就日本 韓國 印度 英國 澳國英國 澳洲已經早就談過了我們沒有但是我們的總統府那裡又發布說有 第一輪談了所以我的解讀 |
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我的解讀當然各位兩位都沒有參加但是這個對我們也很重要你們是經貿的長官大長官這個我的解讀411我仔細看了好幾份的一個報導它就是說雙方面就關稅以及非關稅貿易的障礙做了一些溝通 |
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我感覺啊 我請教各位我這樣解讀對不對411那個會議是一種類似我們法院的裡面的準備庭他不是實質進入那個辯論庭啊真的在那去談他是一個準備庭就開始問你名字啊問你們現象啊 問你幾個項目要談啊什麼之類的我這樣解讀對不對 請教兩位長官 |
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比較類似準備廳我想委員是這方面的專家但是我分享一下因為我太太以前也在WTO談判做了十幾年就我的認知是通常我們會做技術型的談判針對要談的條件由技術官員先做USTR先做一個技術談判然後最後才會往上走 |
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那這個過程就要看雙方在技術談判上的爭議點多不多爭議點越少的一定會先越早上去對 這個要國務長同意吧是準備點的概念但是如果我們因為要維護台灣的權益因為大家關心的當然這個過程大家關心的是說我們不能談一個好的deal現在是10%到32%之間嘛 |
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是不是事實上原來現在是為止10%大家好高興喔股市漲啊什麼之類的其實不要忘了我們到美國原來是3%錯了請指正原來3%這個要顧不準對吧原來是3%看產業表 |
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要看哪一些產業AverageAverageAverage美國他本來是3.1%對就3%左右對Average是3%但是現在一概的都是10%他已經給很大的favor給很大的message所以是10%到12%我特別請教郭部長你心目中有沒有一個說我們如果談到多少我對國人就很有交代 |
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因為我不是談判委員因為我沒有授予這樣的一個談判的目標 |
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那如果就大家一樣的國內的想法當然是維持原來的稅率是最好那原來稅率是3%他現在他就10%但是他現在已經調到10%那這10%可能就是美國他們政府的一個目的基礎目 |
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基礎稅率不可能再降了我們要談到10%已經是100分了啦所以我們大概可以觀察現在它的第一波出來的那個五國的稅率是什麼那個大概是一個referenceOK好那現在跟那個主委請回座跟這個有關係的其實稅率最高的是最健康食品 |
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我剛才問了未還問了問了哪半個財政是你們管的健康食品是你們管的不是我們不管的是這個這一部分你有沒有對於我們國內的健康食品的相關產業有沒有衝擊30%如果變0可信性如何因為如果是對等關稅除非美國的關稅是0美國大概是0美國現在美國的關稅是8%8%好我們就降到8%我們有沒有印象 |
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但是他現在對我們當然是有衝擊啦對我們目前的這個這個就是看他們如何去調適啦這畢竟是國家的大事這是一個 另外有一個汽車產業17.5汽車產業17.5還有它的零組件在那邊影響著工作人員 |
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我們的勞工有十幾萬人衝擊是蠻大的當然有人在批評說保護下來不好啦什麼之類把他歸他現在如果歸成零這個衝擊相當大這個我們的物性價會增加失業率會增加對社會造成一個很大的社會問題這個你的觀點怎麼樣這一部分我的建議是這樣子就是說台灣因為電子零組件很強對 |
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那麼現在台灣的這個車廠都是做油車所以我們如果跟他們建議他回到因為大部分都是日本的品牌比較多所以我們建議是不是他們的電動車可以在台灣的這些電子零組件有優勢的國家裡面可以來生產電動車這是一個最快的轉換 |
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我覺得既有已有的員工那麼也有生產線那麼也有市場這個是我們的一個建議我回到比較笨的問題了那你期待17.5可以降到多少你覺得可以接受對產業衝擊沒那麼大大家一看你變成0我們有跑過模型了我們有跑過經濟模型大概我們大概可以7年 |
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七年就是說在七年內如果說我們可以安排他們轉型大概不會產生衝擊啦所以七年安排轉型但是稅率就零開始囉就是最worst case是零的話最worst case就是從只要台美1000元就從零開始然後七年以後他們可以適應所以七年你要有一個輔導方案出來 |
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我們當然會我們的輔導方案會出來嘛但我的意思就是說當我們這是基本假設啦不會這個樣子當17.5的稅萬一是零被要求是零的時候那麼對這個產業的衝擊會造成實質的影響我們跑過模型大概要七年才會產生其實你們可以去跟美國argue |
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這個稍微跟他討論一下所以我們意思就是說我們做最快的這個打算我們也跟原廠跟台灣的這些廠商其實我們都了解啦台灣的市場美國車即便你變零美國車也不是賣得最好的台灣人喜歡歐洲車啊日本車啊大部分來進來都還是日本車啦日本車啊對啊在美國的日本車啦在美國的日本車 |
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所以這個基本上大家都買進口車啊因為沒有稅了以後大家沒有買進口車所以本土的車廠他們確實會造到一些這個其實從對等關稅的角度台灣的車去美國的很少都是沙灘車啦沙灘車台灣去的整車非常少但是我們的up market是很棒的是up market是很棒的是的那個半導體他說要課稅現在還沒出來你認為他可能課多少 |
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這個還要看啊因為美國現在在做這個國安調查那我再看他的國安調查之後他們才會做一個確定啊所以我們現在很密切注意這樣的一個命題目前多少目前的話啊這個半導體的這個稅是零啊先把他繼續領吧是是謝謝委員謝謝 |