| IVOD_ID |
160241 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160241 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T11:41:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T11:52:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279dfce4d19fd09f323b4a3fd8a5ba555e825ebda33721556222aaf3aa6264434cab25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:41:37 - 11:52:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席請部長請部長委員好是 部長好 部長您在上週4月10號 您表示說對於擴大國安基金的擴編財政部已經做過評估適當時機也會處理所以請問部長您是否認同要朝這個國安基金要朝擴編的方向來進行 |
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委員報告跟委員報告我們其實評估我們大概有相關幾個重點第一個就是說目前來說台股的市值是72兆跟在89年成立之後已經達到有9倍之多了第二個就是說外資的 |
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比例來說佔了四成所以整個來說國安基金是不是要做把它的規模擴大這個部分一直在我們的評估當中那另外就是說雖然目前是五千億那兩千億是以我們的股權去做持押以後借款那三千億是有關基金的部分那我們其實操盤手每次都大概都在這個 |
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2000億的這個範圍內 但世大基金本身他們也有一些用途很難懂所以這個部分我們都是在我們評估的項目之中所以你聽你這樣講你的意思就是說是朝擴編的方向來進行嘛因為市值已經比過去這個股市的市值大那麼多了高達70幾兆了嘛所以這國安基金的規模有擴編的必要嗎 |
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這個部分一直都是在我們幾個數字裡面在評估的項目中來部長我們看一下這個我們的PPT裡面所顯示的其實我們的國安基金從2000年開始2000年的10月我們最大的一個投入的金額是1227億到了2008年金融海嘯我們投資是600億 |
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到了前年,2022年的烏俄戰爭,投入的金額是545億,那金額大概就是說也沒有超過2000億,最多就是1227億,但是陳榮林剛才講的,其實我們不是以說我們投入的金額來做評估, |
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評估是整個因為現在市值已經股市的市值已經那麼大了比過去大很多所以到底國安基金面對這一次的川普的政策的不確定性對於關稅對等關稅做出這麼一下子這個招令細改 |
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這樣子造成全國世界各地的一個整個金融其實就講金融海嘯也不為過了所以在這種情況之下當然會影響我們的股市還有很多我們的進出口產業所以我們的尤其股市我們要如何的讓我們的股市能夠穩定這一點可能國安基金投入的一個護盤的一個金額未來會有充滿很大的一個變數 |
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所以我個人是認為說整個如果國安基金的一個擴大可能有它的必要性部長你贊同嗎謝謝委員的這樣的一個方向我想是因為 |
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國安基金的目的就是在穩定投資人的一個信心維護這個金融資本市場的一個穩定所以部長你剛才也認為說適當時機因為你過去講適當時機你就要去這個來擴大那你所謂的適當時機是什麼時候我們都還需要再做評估謝謝委員 |
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謝謝委員 我想我們這個部分會再積極的處理 |
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部長我要告訴你川普給我們的時間只有90天在這90天之內充滿變數那您上週也回答說適當時機你們會提出整個這個國安基金擴編這樣子的一個方向政策方向的一個評估所以你現在要很具體告訴我啊在這90天之內有沒有可能國安基金你會做擴編 |
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現在破冰要經過管理業條例的修正就是我們國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例要做修正所以我的意思你這個條例什麼時候可以提出來還是跟委員報告這個部分我們還是會審視的評估部長不能太久啊 |
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你這個還是要你要加緊積極加緊腳步啊好謝謝要更積極一點好不好OK好 |
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那另外這個對於這個今天農業部的今天的專報提到說需要有效的防堵中國大陸的大蒜還有香菇經由周邊國家進口到台灣並要求財政部關務署依據海關認定進口貨物原產地的作業要點規定需逐批的來查驗 |
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那再含送到農業部雜糧蔬菜特措協助鑑定小組來協助鑑定原產地我想這個農業部你不用上來因為我要問關務署那個關務署啊 |
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我在3月20號的時候就已經針對我這個有工農跟我陳情說從金門海關可以放行攜帶3公斤的一個超過我們規定的1公斤規定這樣的一個情況會影響我們這個工農的權益 |
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那當時我要求關務署你應該就是要在每個月把你們查緝的結果做成報告來提供給我們財委會還有本席來做一個這個了解那今天農業部我們看看在報告裡面就剛有提到這個問題了對於香菇的問題怕有息產力的問題所以今天3月20到今天4月20忙到了本席想請教我們關務署你的報告什麼時候可以出來 |
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我們這個絕對會遵照委員的指示啦會盡快提那個報告署長剩沒幾天欸到現在還沒有做出來啊我們再盤點一下好不好對4月20你就要做出來所以這個議題就代表說我過去我所關心的確實我們怕有這個有稀產地的一個問題嘛 |
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農業部也有提出相關的一個同樣的一個意見跟看法所以關務署你要加強查緝這應該的謝謝再請教部長賴總統他講說我們未來國家的投資將積極的拖中入北往拖中入北的方向來前進部長你知道什麼叫拖中入北嗎 |
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這個部分可能就是對中國大陸這個部分逐漸的不在乎入北是包含哪些經濟體所謂的入北是包含哪些區域的經濟體區域的部分那當然就是北半球的部分嘛 對好 那好 就北半球的部分嘛部長 目前我們的泛工股銀行在中國大陸的投資的總加數是多少 |
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加速的部分就是我們公股行庫在中國大陸它有涉相關的分行或者是紙行全部都有全部都有八大公股銀行都有那加速的部分我們是不是會後再提供給委員 |
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所以部長你覺得說如果托中入北這樣的政策是否就是表示說將來這些飯工股的銀行也必須完全配合我們政府的政策托中的一個政策撤出在中國大陸的投資 |
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跟委員報告,其實我們的供股行庫這幾年來對於在中國大陸的曝險情形都一直逐漸的下降以111年來說是2,601億,那到114年的2月已經只有1,462億,大概的%數是7% |
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它已經逐漸降低但是我們的供果航庫基本上是服務我們的台商服務我們台商它當然會隨著有關廠業的有關供應鏈的一些調整來去調整它的佈局所以這樣一個拖中入北的政策是否會影響說我們台商在這個大陸的一個權益大陸台商還有我們販工部銀行在經營上會不會有什麼風險 |
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大陸地區的台商在經營上尤其遇到目前來說美國對中國大陸的部分是課高關稅那我想在台商的部分他們可能會有一些因應的部分那經濟部也在協助如果台商這個部分的一個需求或者回台投資或者轉移生產基金等等都會做一些調整 |
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譬如說在那邊台商全部如果說你講的都要去脫中要入北那這放公股它的獲利會不會就會受影響公股行庫其實跟剛剛委員報告它在中國道路的破險已經逐漸下降目前大概只有百分之七非常的低跟最早的時候曾經到高達百分之十四已經逐漸降低嘛 |
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那它主要是服務還是我們的台商為主我再利用幾秒鐘所以你認為偷中入本的政策是可行的嗎這個部分是一個國家的一個大方向是 好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝 |