| IVOD_ID |
160238 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160238 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T11:28:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T11:41:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df325935bc0eb73e8da3fd8a5ba555e825ebda33721556222aadb3a6b00095d47c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:41 - 11:41:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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黃森山委員質詢謝主席我請莊部長然後經濟部江次長還有關務署署長好請三位長官 |
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委員好是 部長好 次長還有關務署署長我想川普提出的對等關稅已經造成了全球的非常重大的影響當然他的目的是為了重塑全球產業鏈然後美國優先但是目的其實看起來只有一個就是防堵中國 |
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到现在为止大概防堵中国是他最终的目的那目前为止看到越南也开始担心洗产地的问题那表示说洗产地的部分在今天的专案报告里面我们也希望看到比较具体尤其是在4月4号的时候行政院经贸办当时杨哲宁的简报说低价产品洗产地违规转运是美国计算对等关税的原因是这样吗 |
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目前還不知道次長你是我們負責談判的副代表所以您在這個過程裡面美國有把低價產品及產地作為對台灣對等關稅32%的主要原因嗎 |
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就如同剛才部長所講的未來要跟美國協商的時候才會知道但是目前白宮官方目前沒有把洗產地成為台灣32%的主要原因吧目前還沒有吧沒看到我們找不到看他有公布那個公式就是分子分母除下來以後再乘以50%所以我們是32%對但是洗產地並不是我們的主要原因嗎 |
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不管是不是主要原因,洗慘地這個事情我們一定要阻絕的洗慘地就是它要關稅不讓任何可能透過轉運的方式然後規避掉美國的高額關稅剛剛講嘛,因為它要防堵中國嘛 |
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好 所以經濟部財政部跟工會我們對原產地有一定的嚴謹的流程那主要是要加工在地加工還要有實質轉型然後目前為止要超過35%才可以算是所謂的產地可是大部分很多35%的規範目前為止對美國來說它有沒有這麼明確的規範經濟部 |
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分兩點跟委員說明很清楚哪一些東西是叫做實質轉型哪一些東西才是真正所謂的算是原產地 |
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如果按照美國的規定美國是由海關來認定它的原產地現在的問題就是它就變成是有一些是有規範有一些是個案認定甚至有一些可能是特殊商品比如說自行車車架的那個地方才叫做原產地太陽能發電機組的那個太陽能電池的原產地才叫做原產地所以這些東西都還不清楚是嗎 |
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根據美國的最終實質轉型規定他會看幾點第一個就是名稱特性還有使用的方法是否有改變此外呢他也會去看單一這個產品他加工的複雜程度所以兩位首長現在台灣的廠商最困擾的其實就是這些也就是說從美國來說他107年駐美代表處我們經濟組的報告是說美國政府針對FTA的協定國家會 |
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約定原產地的證明格式但是原產地證明目前是僅供參考看海關的認定那最重要的是有些特殊商品還有特殊的規定也就是說這些東西目前為止並沒有百分之百明文或很明確的內容這就是台灣跟美國要談判的相關的細節對吧接下來的原產地可能也是要成為你們談判的內容吧 |
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我們未來要談什麼話要看談判的相關的所以今天到底是不是原產地的部分我看到財政部的報告是事前預防事中嚴查事後嚴懲對吧在財政部報告裡面確實是這樣事前怎麼樣預防 |
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第一个他就是说他必须拿到原产地证明或输出许可我们才可以放行所以我们台湾有能力去预防别人到台湾来洗产地的方式目前有什么样的比较具体的做法吗 |
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具體的做法就如同我們報道 房屋署應該都有嘛 對不對那未來我們還會持續的精進那當然剛剛委員所提到就是說我們這邊有息產地的一個相關規範原產地證明的一個文件我們109年就針對貿易法修正了嘛就是怕人家來息產地然後我們看到的我現在調出來的資料 |
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財政部只管經貿相關的這個經貿區我們目前為止貿易法實施以後我查到了五年來罰了40件只罰了140萬也就是說針對息產地的部分目前為止財政部自由貿易港區管理的部分只有40件140萬經濟部你們有針對貿易法的相關裁罰有做出開罰或者是相關的資料嗎 |
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自貿港區是由財政部依據我們經濟部是在自貿港區以外的你們這幾年有查過多少嗎總共查了744件如果說有財閥的話是200多件財閥的金額是2800多萬所以稀產地還是一個需要 |
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如果我們要跟美國好好談判 這個部分可能執行方面也是要做嚴查好 適中嚴查 現在有一個可能性最近看到的是美國他把所謂的小額的包裹的800塊美金的取消那顯然應該會有很多原來要寄到美國的包裹會透過其他的方式來去規避所謂的相關的高額關稅 |
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那台湾因为我们比较优惠我们五万块以下是检疫申报然后两千块以下是免税那这个有没有可能成为将来现在大家担心的是五月份开始这个一取消之后中国大陆的相关的化整为零的这些所谓领土建会不会透过小额包裹的方式转运到台湾在借由台湾跟美国还是低关税的状况下又是另外一种习产地 |
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關稅署 關務署這種狀況會在你們掌控之中嗎是 報告委員當然我們這個風險都有在控管當中好 我想問一下你怎麼控管他寄到台灣來再轉到美國去省下來那些高額關稅那我們怎麼控管 |
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跟委員報告 如同委員所知道 我們現在是有這個次數平反以及這個就是說我們是低價免稅才兩千塊而已然後我們有實名認證因為他那邊要繳稅 所以他轉來轉去轉回來那你怎麼管我們有實名認證那接下來我們要做的就是對於這個中國大陸進來的這些貨物我們會扣 |
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我們會監控它的這個流量實質監控然後看看哪些報關行哪些公司專門在進大陸的這種小額包裹然後怎麼樣看到它將來出口這些狀況的對 這些流量我們都會監控前面要做預防中間要做查緝最後出口的時候要搞清楚不要到時候被人家處罰了我們都還不知道 |
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好不好 關務署這件事情我覺得給我一個完整的流程跟我們接下來會怎麼做的一些有沒有新的方法如果這個狀況發生五月份以後的小兒包括大量入侵的情況下你們會採取什麼樣的做法是 也跟委員報告我們其實快遞貨物 |
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它基本上是有總貨物流量的一個控制我們很關心的是我們不要變成別人席產地的工具而且最重要的是台灣MIT已經成為一個優質產品我們希望它是一個優質產品的代名詞而不是被席產地這樣子污名化的地方另外就是財政部世界官務組織其實亞太經合會都有推動所謂的AEO優質企業認證對吧 |
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那台灣只有400多家的原因是什麼?這些是因為廠商不願意去認證 |
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也就是說將來如果全世界已經回到高額關稅的狀況了所以AU的優質企業認證的話可以減少所謂的通關審查也可以讓優質的廠商得到比較優惠的方式我想關務署跟財政部這個還有經濟部是不是在台灣的廠商裡面怎麼樣讓協助他們能夠面對接下去這麼多的考驗 |
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如果加入這些目前看起來我們承認的國家只有10個但是韓國有25個互惠的國家日本有14個所以在AO認證的相關的國家同意的情況下我希望台灣也能夠找到更多的貿易夥伴來協助廠商能夠協助他們有關通關審查的相關的作業 |
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是 謝謝委員指導這也是我們海關一直努力的目標對 所以部長跟次長我希望你們在這上面協助關務署協助台灣的廠商不是只有給他880億給他實質能夠做得到讓他面對將來的挑戰不會受到這些國家突然間變動的影響我覺得現在的問題就是以前簽的貿易協定一個總統說話就不算數了很可怕所以要幹嘛要在各個國家裡面都有相關的朋友 |
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包括像這種國際關務世界關務組織已經有的相關的機制我們就要把它趕快好好的運用接下來最後一個小問題在這次的 |
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習產地的過程裡面我們希望財政部剛剛講的明確化的部分還有經濟部剛剛所說的可能會成為習產地的第一優先的所謂被列為的名單你們現在有任何優先的相關的產品或者是名單嗎或者被列為所謂的高危險名單嗎 |
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一直在做的就是301被課高關稅的以及反傾銷稅之前叫做高風險商品這些都是高風險的貨物那現在應該有新的變局了啦是沒錯所以新的變局你要有新的相關的 |
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應變跟討論跟美國人他們到底現在關心的是什麼我們是不是要先因應像我看到院長下去很多的其他的廠商真的都搞不清楚現在問題是沒人搞得清楚所以希望的是經濟部跟關務署跟財政部讓 |
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不要說民眾廠商至少搞得清楚我覺得現在很多連自己的廠商都搞不太清楚工會更不要講打電話去工會很多工會都說我們也不知道要去問財政部那為了財政部財政部說也還不知道要去看經濟部看怎麼樣跟美國人談我覺得這些動作可能要快一點好嗎 |
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好的好 我覺得至少我們在短期內希望你們可以一個完整的明確化的原則給我們所有的工會跟廠商好嗎 財政部我想跟委員報告當然我們希望所有都非常明確但是美國的關稅政策您也知道就是常常在變一路數變我知道但是我們就至少把高風險的先列出來然後給他們一些相關的因應措施 |
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好的 我們把相關跟經濟部一起合作什麼叫高風險的因為經濟部也已經跟廠商在舉辦了你們平常就有在整理啦只是這次要把所有的東西再重新的recheck一次好嗎好 謝謝 |