| IVOD_ID |
160220 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160220 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T11:05:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T11:18:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df9943ad8dd27ba5df2888cb4ea3dfb6c0ebda33721556222a9cc3a2a7c74431455ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:47 - 11:18:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：審查本院委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例部分條文修正草案」案。（僅詢答）） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請郭部長謝謝部長 謝謝是 卓偉部長好最近我有機會跟日本前防衛的大臣有一些這個討論 私底下討論這個講到國防預算中國的國防預算的規模是日本的三倍到四倍 |
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中國的國防預算規模是台灣的40倍這個預算的差距我們必須要考量我們有這個當我們的援軍沒有辦法及時到的時候我們要有自主防衛能量自主防衛能量一定要足夠的國防預算來支應所以目前我們目標日本2027要提到GDP的2% |
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2027他們的目標他們是以每年差不多好像是0.2的程度然後一直到2027到一定的年沒有他告訴我2027到2%嘛我最近看到的好像他是逐步在提升當中他跟我講的嘛他跟我講的2027到2%嘛我會朝向這個目標我們是希望徵詢能夠到3%我那天在院會質詢這個卓院長他說3%是我們階段性的目標 |
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那美國也希望說我們再提高到3.4不管到3%或3.4%當然這預算規模很大但是跟中國的國防預算規模的差距還是很大所以我覺得應該逐步啊來增加這個國防預算佔GDP的比例那部長你有沒有什麼想法 |
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總統已經宣示了3%是我們要達到另外我想如果總統的意思上來看的話3%也不是最後的一個底線還有可能往上增加不過重點是在於我們這個要依照我們防衛作戰的實際需要這個是因為我們 |
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中國這麼大,那我們不可能跟他比這個所以我們不對稱的這個關鍵戰力總統說要編列特別預算,你這期程有沒有規劃? |
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我們當然正在進行規劃你這個回答比較抽象,也速度比較慢我們會後再討論,繼續請教第二個問題 |
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這個我們用FMS跟DCS 日本也面臨同樣的問題他們也會分散對其他美國之外國家的相關軍事合作比方說他們跟義大利 比方說他們跟英國去次世代的戰機的研發所以FMS跟DCS 為什麼提到DCS因為它有助於對美貿易逆差的平衡 |
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對美國貿易順差的平衡我想請教我們採用FMS DCS是您決定還是軍種的司令決定還是美國做決定我們基本上跟委員報告我們如果能夠採取軍售的管道的話那主要當然是跟美國 |
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才有這個軍售的管道嘛那原則上如果有軍售的這個管道那又能夠縮短這個軍售的流程的話我們還是會以軍售為主但如果沒有辦法不適宜透過軍售的我們就會改採商售的方式有些非機敏性比方說旅遊採購F35非機敏性的比方說一些這個裝備的維持 |
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也沒有相關的高端技術的管制所以這部分我們有五大信貸產業包括軍工我們怎麼樣透過DCS來協助軍工產業的發展這個很重要日本防衛廳他給我們訊息是有些是要美國會決定一定要採取FMS大部分不會大部分就是看你自己的需求 |
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所以DCS跟FMS我的理解是國內來做決定那國內我了解三軍 軍種各有不同的本位思考有些軍種他比較傾向於這個軍購即便軍購他的這個效率契約的保障他的成本也比較貴他還是會採用軍購 我不知道什麼原因有些軍種卻反而會接受從成本考量 從這個契約的保障 |
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你商售他有受缺的管制軍售沒有喔所以這部分你們要特別注意到這一點所以我覺得每項重大的國中採購你要走FMS還是DCS我希望部長您能夠掌握您能夠理解是我們這邊會有部裡面的連參報上來之後我這邊會有掌握還是你叫軍總自行去決定 |
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沒有 軍種一定要到你那邊所以每個軍售案子你都會了解是好我看一下這比較表國防自主航太產業第三章對外軍售跟對內的自己相關的這個研發經費我們是給國外國內沒有所以如果是對內 |
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我們是用這個對內的方式來用DCS它對國內相當常常可以合作漢翔是我們的這個航帶產業重要的一個龍頭也是在我的選區對不對它如果能夠把這些技術把這些生產能量留在台灣企業也有收入對軍工產業也有幫忙為什麼這比例還是要走FIMS |
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所以這個原則你們要把握清楚一定要非國防自主非尖端性非機敏性的美國沒有特別意見的基本上如果把商源留在國內帶動五大西端產業軍工產業發展我想這個很重要我希望每一項到底要FMS還是DCS我希望部長都能夠深切去掌握因為我有接到一些訊息 |
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本來應該很合理 用常識來判斷不用用照驗資質來判斷 用常識來判斷應該走DCS結果莫名其妙就非得走FMS你要去了解一下我們不討論個案我討論到我所理解的狀況我想我把這個問題丟出來你們去檢討一下我說這個一定有所本 |
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報告我們現在手裡頭29個軍售案裡面都是我們目前自主能力上面比較不足的必須採取向對外採購的方式那當然我們 |
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我掌握有很多國內做會比軍種產還好而且兩岸變成結果兩岸變成結果在你們的工合會議室基本上是贊成DCS後來在某些軍種就變成叫FMS這部分你去了解這轉折到底是合不合理你們去了解 我不討論個案另外兩領請 |
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在陳水扁總統任內撤除了兩獎臨請桃園縣政府當時候是朱立倫當縣長一紙公文說為了這個地方觀光所需啊地方觀光所需請國防部再恢復原來的這個所謂兩獎臨請臨請是帝王的墳墓臨請的所謂衛兵的守護工作從97年到現在一紙公文 |
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好 請教部長如果為了振興所需 其他縣市能不能比較辦理我高雄市有義民廟我能不能請義民廟 到義民廟來這邊來做相關的守護或者操演為了觀光所需 國軍要配合地方的觀光業務嗎 |
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從97年到現在那你現在說後來我那天問你你答不出來後來你們給我公文我才知道怎麼回事是因為桃園縣政府要求你們一紙公文叫你們為了配合地方觀光發展現在還 你調查一下去兩場領請一年去多少次去多少人我們需要花那麼多納稅的人錢去為獨裁者去墳墓做這些事情嗎 |
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跟委員報告,我覺得根本的解決之道就我了解在民國93年1月27號蔣芳良女士還在世的時候曾經致函本部表達這個宜林安奉五指山國軍四萬公墓的一個意願所以如果能夠採取蔣芳良女士的這個遺願的這樣的一個做法,可能是一個根本的解決之道你那個是落後資訊,97年陳水扁總統任內就已經撤除了 |
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是因為一紙公文才恢復的這個公文這個是你們的公文給我的當時確實前總統陳勝明先生是有批示啦那我覺得也曾經撤出過一段時間啊 |
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不是,就是說他當時是說批示說尊重家屬的意願,因國葬法的統慎辦理,用事尊重就這個部分我想如果說還是以這個能夠宜林安鳳的話,我想這才是可能根本的解決之道那97年到現在多久了? |
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那我想我們再來持續溝通你派駐一隊國軍進駐在這個兩蔣臨請的依據是什麼就是桃園縣政府一紙公文嘛那我問你是不是其他縣政府可以比照辦理呢那你那個部長不能回答這個是哪一個單位負責督導的這後備司令部我講的有沒有錯 |
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委員好 這個有關委員剛剛提的那個 領請的部分那針對領請這幾個字 後備指揮部在針對你們要檢討這我知道啦 是是是但是我說的是 你們當初派出的依據是什麼你們給我的公文答覆是依偎豪營縣政府一紙公文嘛 為了地方振興地方觀光所需嘛 |
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沒有錯吧 是你們去檢討一下如果這樣子的話 其他縣市能不能比照辦理鮑委員 針對這件事情我們已經通令我們已經發文給桃園市政府預計在5月10號以前會邀集總統府行政院及桃園市政府等單位來做一個研討及做一個修訂但後續各縣市政府都會比照這一次的辦理我們在5月10號前會開一個聯審會議 |
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如果我不質詢 我不要求 這個問題永遠 永遠加在那邊永遠就是 你轉型沒有辦法去執行我覺得你們要積極一點 是 部長你要全盤掌握 部長也許你這個 國事如馬恐怕沒有辦法針對這件事情全盤掌握我希望說 後備指揮官能夠跟部長再詳細說明因為經濟快輪到我質詢了 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝部長好 謝謝韋 |