| IVOD_ID |
160210 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160210 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T10:56:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T11:06:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df516a1919f7f05db9a3fd8a5ba555e825ebda33721556222a56400f31e14007595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:19 - 11:06:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席那我們請這個財政部莊部長好請莊部長委員好部長好 |
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今天主要來說明報告有關席產地的問題我相信卓院長也說得很清楚MIT就是MITMIT絕對不能是MIC所以接下來因為針對了美國要對中國課的關稅高達145%所以我們現在會啟動嚴格的反傾銷的調查 |
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事先防備 事中嚴查 事後嚴懲 不讓低價傾銷傷害臺灣的產業安全我想這個左院長已經講得非常的清楚了那請教一下部長這邊是根據你們所提供的資料在2018年到2019年有關於這個席產地的違規的樣態 |
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這一年2018到2019只查到五件但是呢這個2019之後呢到2025年的3月底已經有裁罰388件其中數往美國有133件超過三分之一我不曉得這數據對不對數據齁因為裁罰的部分是根據貿易法來裁罰那我們是根據經濟部提供的資料來做彙整的那所以這個數據是正確的嗎請我們署長說明一下齁 |
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報告委員 精確的數字還是要麻煩經濟部這邊提供那我跟委員報告就是說這是我們同仁自己去那個電腦系統公文管理系統去撈出來的一個資料就是說經濟部如果有裁法 依貿易法裁法的話他會複製我們那就會有公文過來那我們是同仁自己去抓的所以這個數字我想 |
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不夠精準還是要看貿易署這邊的資料但自貿港區我們自己採訪的我們是有資料43件43件好那我不知道經濟部這邊能不能提供比較正確的數據這個次長要回答嗎 |
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我想請問一下,如果按照這個數據的話,有三分之一是透過中國的商品,透過台灣,然後這個悉產地到美國有超過三分之一,那我接下來想要問人說 |
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現在對於美國課了這麼多的關稅然後會不會說過去所沒有的一些產品或是說一些貨品或一些東西因為課了145之後跑到台灣的會越來越多你們有沒有做這樣的一個評估 |
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跟委員說明其實我們對自中國的進口的監視系統不是最近才開始我們已經進行了很久了任何我們發現有異常的話我們都會注意到有沒有特別增加的情形 |
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我的意思是說 你們有沒有去評估 因為課了145的關稅之後第一個 你不要從中國去 中國去的關稅課率比較高所以會流到台灣或是流到其他國家去然後有沒有去評估說 有沒有什麼新增的產品或是種類有可能在這一波的關稅戰會來到台灣 然後再轉出去 |
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因為這個145%對美國的課徵是所有的項目我們不排除任何項目但是呢其實我們一直跟業者宣導不要做這種洗產地的行為那我們對美的出口呢我們的金額也會去跟自中國的這個進口的金額做一個勾結那其實我們業者其實都是非常守法的最近呢我們也強化了我們宣導 |
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像昨天辦理這個席產地的宣導就有600多位這個業者參加我們今年還會再繼續辦理每個月要辦理兩次我知道了我是關心就是說有沒有什麼因為這個中美大戰這不是第一次嗎2018有所以2019我們有修了這個貿易法那我們把這個席產地的這個最高的這個財閥提高到300萬嘛然後現在因應這個美中的貿易戰關稅戰第二次了那我在想說這次的力道比第一次更大 |
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那就這個裁罰的部分那我請教一下莊部長好了就裁罰的部分的話有沒有要再提高或是說過去雖然最高到300可是都沒有罰到300這個部分裁罰目前來說貿易法的規定最高是300萬對 那我說過去呢過去都有罰到300萬嗎有 它是一張報單300萬過去我們也曾經超過300萬有個案有超過 |
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因為現在是因應這個現在是比較關鍵的時期那我看到你們報告有寫出來我的意思是說有沒有在這個關鍵的時期那你的動作可能還要再加大不論你們去查或是去處罰或是說是激勵比如說去檢舉的 |
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這方面的話有沒有跟以前比較不一樣如果說都跟以前一樣的話那就沒有什麼比較特別的要來對付說這次因為關稅有可能會發生斜產地的問題 |
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謝謝委員我想您提的是非常關切的一個問題第一個就是說就我們報告你們過去我們是針對美國對中國大陸課徵反傾銷稅的以及301條款裡面課高關稅的部分作為重點那未來他是對中國大陸都課145%的關稅那這樣的情況下會讓 |
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中國把低價請銷或者期產地的誘因拉高到台灣來對不對那這個部分我們當然在貨品的部分不能再僅限於原來的那些範圍而是應該把範圍擴大又要把所有貨物都應該要擴大然後加強的查核然後不是僅僅對原來的一個範圍 |
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他也不可能就是說全部的東西都來嘛他一定有哪一些東西他比較有可能利用台灣再轉出去的啦你們有沒有去評估說大概是有哪些的對 次長剛剛提到就是說在進口的時候事實上都已經有系統在監控它的數量上如果有明顯的波動的話那就會特別的給予關注特別的查查 |
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那我再請教一下現在這個在野黨 包含陳旭珍 陳雪珍他們都有提出這個離島建設條例第十八條之一第六項提出修正案就是說 民定大陸地區物品 商品 勞務等等 |
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進出離島自由貿易示範區就把金門當成是一個離島的示範區但是我們也擔心如果萬一這個條例通過之後因為它的物品商品都可以來到這邊而且是大陸地區過來的會不會有可能這個條例過了之後讓金門當然它是屬於台灣變成席產地 |
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的一部分然後呢因為這樣子被美國認為說是台灣在席產地然後肯與跟這個中國一樣重的關稅 |
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我想這個部分對於所謂的在離島建設裡面加這個自由貿易區因為自由貿易港區的設置必須按照自由港區的一個條例來做那這個部分符不符合那個條例的一個設置規定那必須交通部可以來認定那第二個部分就是說不管是在哪一個通商口岸、席產地的一個惡主的行為都是我們要去阻絕的 |
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那我是擔心啊我是擔心萬一這個條例真的通過之後金門變成一個離島的自由貿易市場中國的這些商品物品進來金門之後然後透過金門再洗出去那等於是利用金門來洗產地啊那這個條例通過之後會不會造成我剛剛所擔憂的這個後果這個部分金門並不是國際的通商口岸 |
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我知道啊,那可是他就是利用金門來做這一個他如果要到美國去還是要先到台灣來嘛那一樣啊,那進到台灣那一樣啊,就是台灣就是被課如果被發現說是金門,透過金門到台灣再出去 |
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那一樣啊 那台灣是變成洗產地的 不是一樣的意思嗎對啊 還是會有這個風險啊對啊 還是會有這個風險啊所以我就擔憂這個地方你當然不可能直接從金門出去但是有可能透過金門再來台灣 然後再洗出去啊我所擔憂的是這部分啊所以這個離島建設條例如果修成這樣子的話我是擔心有可能會變成這樣子的後果 對不對 |
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這個部分我們希望都不要有發生這樣的稀殘地的情形好那最後我再請教一下這個有關於這個啤酒要反傾銷的這件事情我上次質詢有問過就是說現在財政部這邊審查完畢現在交由這個經濟部經濟部這邊說是最快六月會完成這個調查 |
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這個按照這個反傾銷業者他們的一個說法他們認為說那的確啊因為從中國進口的這些啤酒他們價格比較低因為他們有很多的一些優惠跟促銷的一些空間所以光是一瓶330ml的這個啤酒在台灣他們所賣的價錢就比我們一般市售要便宜便宜到五塊錢就變成一種對台灣的啤酒業的一個反傾銷那我請問一下這個那次長好了那 |
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我們是負責有關於產業損害調查的部分我們會加快腳步 |
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那上次是問是六月啦我是說那個期限五月份一定會完成五月份會完成就對了好那就稍微再快一點因為在這個時機點上面我是認為說關於任何中國的這一個不論是席產地或是說這一個傾銷這個貨品來到台灣我們都要提高警覺啦好 以上謝謝謝謝部長 |