| IVOD_ID |
160197 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160197 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T10:10:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T10:24:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279dfb5fa98188e8f5460b2710058b23c04f8d146475ae9ed72cdb919a22b82dabb035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:13 - 10:24:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議議程（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長及財政部首長就「因應國際貿易情勢變化，如何協助國內廠商擴大國際市場」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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德夏主席 請問郭部長郭部長委員好 |
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這段時間社會補回應該經濟部是同心扣的啦所以我剛剛看執行的委員對你都是肯定會加冕你我一直看到楊前雲楊委員一個執行講了那麼多次的謝謝不過老實講這段時間我看你在說每天早上6點就起床 |
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吃苦 動作的吃補 對不對當然是辛苦啦 不過更重要的我們都可以吃苦 可是不能讓人民吃苦所以 包括剛剛你講的 剛剛產發署要做一些模擬讓人民可以安心 這是當務之急那這兩天我先問你一個比較重要的這幾天啊 人民現在有一個很大的餘力就是來 我們看一下我們台灣啊 怎麼沒有在名單裡面呢 |
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美國的財政部長說他有五個國家優先這幾天都要談英國、澳洲、日本、南韓、印度像日本明天他就要談了石破茂他們首相都說有機會他自己要親自要過去極力的爭取我就要問我們本來不是總統說我們是在第一批嗎怎麼現在被落掉了還是我們的錯誤有消息嗎那個消息是有錯誤的報告委員我想談判過程裡面 |
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它有幾個重要的部分第一個是談確認命題對不對第二個進行對談第三個總結我們在第一階段已經在4月11號跟美國開過視訊了 |
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所以我們是比日本要快的喔那個視訊是那個視訊大概有兩個問題啦第一個這個視訊到底算不算是會談的現在人家去的這個只是一個視訊嗎不是啊我們是把錯誤的一個視訊當成我們的一個一個已經開始在談那個變成是第一波 |
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我們現在的問題 民眾你看喔 專家學者是這樣問所以我們股票為了我們11號那天的視訊已經上漲一波了對不對 結果發現我們現在不在第一波裡面所以我們的消息是不是有錯誤 這是一個這是第一點 第二點比較重要那天我們談完之後 柏定那天你沒有去嘛 是次長去了 江次長嘛對不對那天的內容到現在我們完全沒有信息然後外面有很多的擔心把我們跟以色列放在一起嘛 |
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所以他們就講說我們應該是跟南韓跟日本放在一起會比較安全因為我們都是在半導體很強可是相對的我們跟以色列所以他們做了兩個問題一個會不會談到很多是美債的問題第二就是因為我們都是需要美國大力的支持在國安上面會不會我們讓步太多可是到目前外面都沒有消息就是歸納問題的部分我跟委員報告我想所有的都是進行中的命題 |
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那我們在4月11號他們談的部分大概就談對等關稅談非關稅貿易障礙出國管制等多項的議題我們要談的是非常的多的所以我剛才在講嘛第一個美國在談判不管是誰啦任何一個談判都是已經確定我們要談什麼 |
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然後才會進行談對不對所以我們已經先確定我們要談什麼日本、韓國他們還沒有所以他們第一波也是進行所以我們算是比在頂先這第一波的五個了應該是這個樣子這個解讀應該是這樣解讀才是正確的 |
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外界有人說這是假消息什麼在總統講我們在第一批是假消息來源這個不對我們現在應該是搶還比這個澳洲跟日本跟南韓還是搶在前面這個是事實嘛你怎麼會漠視說之前已經我們跟美國談了然後來講說後面報導說這個我第一波要談但是在那一邊談 |
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我們這個視訊基於我們在這個進行的過程之中大家彼此協商的一個結果進行第一波的這個談過所以我在這個立法院跟委員報告千萬不要誤導我們的國人說這個什麼我們白開心一場我覺得這個是對這應該不是誤導現在是兩個問題一個就是專家學者跟民眾雖然說我們股票是白開心的一場這是一個要把它弄清楚第二個現在民眾更關心的 |
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那天談完之後我們到底有什麼樣的進展你說人家如果美國跟日本人家都實質已經坐在那邊談了那個總統有回應嘛院長也有回應嘛都有回應啊說談的這個情況不錯嘛 |
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就這樣子啊你也了解對不對所以外界現在很期待說我們很清楚知道哪些地方是有進展的那我們什麼時候代表團可以過去不是只有一個視訊不是啊現在不是只有我的疑問嘛對不對這幾天從昨天到今天因為美國的財政部長清楚講說他優先要跟這五國趕快要談對不對所以現在我們回過頭去問說我們的視訊到底進度是怎麼樣第二個我們代表團什麼時候可以開始出發 |
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這些事情都是在進行中的事情報告委員有些在進行中談判的事情我們也沒有辦法跟大家做一個具體名義的報告不過大家請放心到目前為止我們談判的舊成果來看應該都還在好的境界裡面 |
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OK 好 那我們就很期待啦現在全民都在等的不是只有那一場視訊我們要談出一個對台灣的這個關稅是具有競爭力的競爭力這樣的一個情境嘛大家朝這個方向在努力所以為什麼我們現在還不斷的要去跟業界訪談特別是大家委員所關心的這一些產業我們都包括總統也好 院長也好我都陪著他們跑了好幾場接著後面還有好幾場 |
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我們自己經濟部裡面的產發署也好我們的中小企業署也好也都一一的去拜訪這些產業了解他們我們現在在談沒有想到的所以我們都非常的努力在勾勒出來這些哪一些問題可以提供給談判小組他們作為參考所以這一點請委員也能夠了解當然委員有看到什麼樣需要來協助這些中小企業協助我們台灣的中小微企業 |
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幫他們爭取說你看看大家都沒有看到部長你看我已經質詢好幾次我們做了很多要求希望可以露實我們現在是共護國難共同來努力這個大家心都是一樣的可是當然就是人民期待就是說政府是解決問題的大家我知道看你們有在辛苦可是我剛才講了包括就是談判這個整個過程如果開始有在質疑就是說視訊完之後為什麼沒有新的進度代表團什麼時候要出去我覺得政府也要讓人民可以安心是的 這個是我們共同的目標那問你一個 |
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最近引起很多討論就是我們美麗的東海岸的風機的這個問題我們看一下現在有人說在台東這邊有一個東城路易的風力的發電計畫會不會讓我們最漂亮的東台灣 |
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你看 成功那麼漂亮一直到長濱那邊是 報告委員這個計畫部長有掌握嗎這個在禮拜一啊那個台東的那個委員就已經有問過這個問題問報告再重新一次就是經濟部不支持長子有生態環境疑慮地方不支持的陸域風電規劃的案件經濟部不會支持所以針對保定 |
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所以針對這個案子經濟部是不支持的地方政府不支持我們就不支持不止這個案件所有地方政府不支持的案件經濟部就是不會支持這個我在禮拜一那個台東的那個立委就已經問過這個問題我回答過了今天我再鄭重的回答這個委員您的這個案子會引起很多討論是因為他已經辦了兩次的這個說明會 |
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以細微邪告替大五鄉辦了這個說明會10號又辦了第二次然後很多縣議當地的縣議員跟縣政府都出來說他們不曉得然後他們去問了環境部說開始要做環評而且他上面有一個公告嘛環境部直接跟他講說主管機關要許可是你嘛所以很多立委都要問你這個事情那當然他體面還有一個爭議點這個公司啊還沒有成立可是他們說去查這個聯絡電話是在光與工程顧問有限公司 |
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經驗公司你一定知道嘛他們兩個在同一個公司裡面這個公司啊是從業的子公司所以經驗公司你一定了解嘛對不對我離開上任部長以後你已經把從業這個說滿了沒有沒有沒有我跟委員在這個地方再說明一下我離開 |
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崇越之前光於是我已經離開崇越的董事會了我只是股東的時候他買的公司所以你千萬不要低溝道塞都這樣子我會很難過 |
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這種事情 這個就是一個利益迴避嘛 其實不是我不是經營者的時候你會投這個這樣這不公平不是不是 部長我如果說我今天要買台塑的股票我是股東我賣台塑有問題的話我也有問題嗎 不會這樣子嘛部長 這個案子是因為它是一個光電嘛 對不對光電的主管機關是經濟部員你聽我講 你是主管機關嘛 |
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你還是不定這個案子是目前你是反對的那還好啊如果是你贊成的任何案子要經過經濟部你下面的人這個人要瓜田李下這個就是法律上的利益迴避嘛對嘛所以今天很好我今天從你嘴巴聽到說你不贊成這個案子你如果贊成就麻煩了這個時候進入整個開發的過程經濟部的同仁要...對不對很好啊所以今天得到一個你反對這個案子是非常好的 |
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所有我做事行事光明坦蕩蕩任何的違法違規你只要找到了麻煩去提告我不會說這個地方去呼籲啦什麼不可能啦了解這個意思嗎?這一點很重重視安中央對我看不上眼啦 |
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所以千萬不要用這種事情來勾擊我部長你今天做這個宣示是好的不過我要提醒你一點我不是宣示這個本來就是這樣一個政策嘛博定博定你先你先先聽我講先聽我講這應該也是為了你好了經濟部主管的業務裡面因為你從業也很大經濟部也很大 |
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你當然你上任經濟部長之後你就辭掉了跟從業的可是我在提醒你我在上任經濟部長之前的五年我就已經離開公司了對啦 保定你現在來關經濟部嘛經濟部這麼多從業有太多的這只是其中一個案子嘛 |
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你有太多的案子跟經濟部都有關你要非常注意這件事情當然可能不見得馬上法律上有問題可是這一定有利益迴避跟瓜田李下你要非常小心任何的瓜田李下我都歡迎提告不是提告啦 保定來所以今天作為一個很重要的宣示嘛東城電力開發這個案子你不贊成更進一步的你說只要是路上一些風機對環境有不好的除了東海岸你都反對嘛這是第一對不對你今天要不要利用這個機會更清楚跟大家宣示等於剛才說的嘛 |
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違法事情你不做你光明磊落嘛所以包括崇業你以前的公司如果是跟你經濟部有關的在利益迴避上面在瓜田底下上面你會清清楚楚一定不會涉及到我已經離開崇業的經營層了 |
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你不能用說我只是一個股東然後這些公司他的作為要來橫架在我身上我剛才已經跟你報告了如果我今天是某個公司的股東那代表那家公司跟我就有關係嗎我這麼多工資 工資三百三千幾間公司我買工票你都可以認為說這我都有關係嗎不可能是這樣嘛 對不對 委員我想你是非常 |
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努力非常棒的一個委員但是不能夠這樣子好不好部長我今天是為你好喔也是為了我們整個國家的體制我講錯了我剛剛講說第一個我先肯定你今天這個事情你是反對的嘛你甚至進一步的陸上風機影響到這個環境我現在是進一步說我現在不是只有對你這個要求像所有的 |
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部會首長所有的政務官本人應該信守這個原則嘛如果是你以前有過關係的特別你是創辦人那你現在接了經濟部然後講你如果說是加豐部長或者其他部的部長跟他其他關係業務有關係我相信人家也會切得乾乾淨淨我今天只是給你一個宣示機會不是我啦 |
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我只是暫時擔任經濟部長所以我講說這個地方政府不贊同的話經濟部就不會贊同任何人來當這個部長他也是不會贊同好不好部長我在講的不是只有這個案子啦我現在在講就是說所有跟你以前比較有就是說曾經從業現在如果是經濟部主管的你要比較小心但目前我不是說你有問題你已經可能要以身作則已經做出一個不錯的那算每個部會的所長本來就被這樣要求嘛 |
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我們可以今天不做一個宣示可能可以宣示得更清楚一點沒有啦 你放心不是只有有沒有人去告的問題你進來去考驗就沒有問題可是這也是一個政務官的一個風範謝謝委員關心好 謝謝 |