| IVOD_ID |
160192 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160192 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T10:03:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T10:17:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279dfafe24381bf45dddb2888cb4ea3dfb6c0d146475ae9ed72cdf4d63c271f6545ab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:34 - 10:17:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：審查本院委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例部分條文修正草案」案。（僅詢答）） |
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部長共諜當然我們深惡痛絕我也相信99.99我們的國軍弟兄不管在職或退役都是忠於國家中共是我們最大也是唯一的威脅 |
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向中共解放軍效忠就是背叛國家那任何團體當然都有壞份子那最近我們這兩天看到這個消息樣態媒體都有報了我不重複就包含了在士林的憲兵隊海軍的威海營區穿我們國軍的制服在那邊揮舞新旗拍影像向解放軍效忠 |
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部長這個案子你都知道嘛這個案子有的起訴了我相信有的是我們掌握的我第一個我想了解是共諜在發展組織特別針對軍方因為過去一年有軍事有國軍背景或退役背景的大概佔了六成的涉犯人員他吸收的模式看起來常常跟財務有關係利用你財務上有困難或者需要用錢我來幫你吸收起來 |
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那這幾個看起來拍了五星旗效忠中共傳到用telegram傳給他的對接口單位就可以拿到三萬塊幾萬塊錢那部長或者我們政戰局對這樣的犯罪樣態有沒有什麼反制或者因應的做法我想是不是先請軍事安全總隊是不是檢討說明看能夠 |
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簡單一下,我今天有好幾個題目要問委員好,我是保防安全署長跟委員說明,就針對憲兵這次案子的部分已經由憲兵指揮部針對所屬兩要邀請以及相關的 |
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涉及機敏的部隊已經都實施完成了社民安全查核針對有故意人員已經都調整限職也針對他們所接任機敏職務的標的也都請憲民指揮部針對相關這個我們媒體都看到我不是要粗魯的打斷你我每次聽到處理層也都一樣我現在只問一件事情我們每個單位每個部隊都有征戰人員 |
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在那邊揮舞五星旗 還可以拍影片偵探局在搞什麼偵探局在搞什麼我十年來支持你們這個案子一個直接接一個 層出不窮我們自己當過兵知道你在營區拿五星旗揮舞部隊有沒有爛掉我再還有一個案子台南新化某營區職業兵 |
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因為下市一年多被弄到去跟錢專借錢回家騙媽媽的錢後來我一查單位主管班長介紹他去借錢的這部隊怎麼辦啊 |
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聖戰區在搞什麼事後該辦用軍法辦重辦槍斃我沒有話講可是一而再再而三的發生它到底是結構性的問題組織的問題還是管理上我們有什麼漏洞部長威海營區耶士林憲兵隊耶如果這些單位都還可以在營區揮舞五星旗那我們其他單位呢山上的雷達站 |
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兵海的部隊部長這件事情政戰單位要不要究責怎麼管的我想這個部分也是經過一方面官兵檢舉那一方面也是透過自查的方式我們主動移送應該是在112年的時候的事情 |
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那所以我們就這個部分我想我們也因此就陸海工軍刑法的這個部分呢現在呢直接就以說對敵人為效忠之表示呢就直接定在陸海工軍刑法24條我的憤怒來自於我們都相信看到很多國軍弟兄辛辛苦苦盡忠職守出於兩個這種老鼠屎你要解釋多久然後洩露了什麼東西信任一旦瓦解 |
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信任一旦瓦解我們就中了對方的計嘛說實在他會為五星旗打仗穿人幹嘛可信任 軍民關係的信任一旦受損了在我們的社會我們的防衛任性我們的部隊 |
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你很難拿到社會的力量所以我在這個題目另外一面我是希望部長跟相關單位研擬一下軍安總隊是我們法定的情報機關他目前是大概根據勤工法裡面唯一沒有領到這個勤工家籍的該給他給他該給他編制給他編制可是當他沒有辦法把職責發揮出來的時候我們該要求就要求軍安總隊應該贊成吧我們應該這樣做啊 |
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我現在是一方面增加軍三輪總隊的一個員額另外我們也擴大了防美軍的部分,就是說揭密的程度依照他揭密的等級有不同,我們有不同深度的安全查核 |
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那軍安總隊的這個作為一個法定的情報機關的那一個佳績的部分監察院在這個去年的九月也有一個調查報告提到這一個部分那這個部分我們會進行來研議我們國防預算也許會擴充擴充除了裝備重要以外人也很重要讓我們的國軍住得好一點 |
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用的各種好一點 生活的品質好一點該給他的勤工佳績就給他該屬於他的戰鬥佳績就給他回過頭我們要求他忠於自己的國家忠於台灣2300萬我們的納稅人 |
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這是相對的所以部長我希望盡快看到有關軍安總隊源而增加任務的強化或者他該增加什麼樣的能力或者是科技的裝備另外對於勤工加擠的部分也希望在近期內可以看到你提出來能不能這樣做我們需要跟行政院協調那行政院當然我們也幫忙發聲嘛我們要求的時候我們也希望 |
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他做這個工作就該領這份心想這個是應該的另外我要請教部長其他兩位先請回另外這個漢光41號我們目前看到有揭露的當然內容有些新的部分那在高階幹部兵推的時候那是二月份那你旁邊座位有一個座位表就出來那個是J-5嘛那一個是八九龍少將美國海軍陸戰隊屬於印太司令部的J-5 |
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另外在這一次漢光四十一號二零二三吧之前沒多久他還是駐韓聯軍司令四星上將這位羅伯特艾布蘭那這次也來當顧問是我們漢光演習的編制的顧問那我先請教第一個問題就是說這個揭露的過程是否為台美有默契的行為還是不小心被揭露的 |
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我想台美之間的這個軍事交流我們都循低調務實的方式來進行我們並不沒有任何的雙方有 |
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有所謂的默契要公開我們都不予評論部長你也帶過國安會啦你現在在國安部台美之間這樣的訊息我們都盡量低調通常有一個原則美方揭露就可以揭露或者台美之間有默契揭露才揭露揭露也是為了嚇阻一些事情或者形塑一些事所以這兩個訊息的連續二月份然後現在四月份 |
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我不太認為我們軍方或者我們相關擁有這個消息的人員會連續犯兩次錯所以這個揭露我個人認為是也許是默契下的行為揭露之後就讓各方去揣測我們就保持低調那這一個四星上將擔任我們漢光演習的我們的參謀總長的顧問部長就你了解的情形這是史上第一次還是以前就有 |
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我想我們這些都屬於常態性的台美的軍事交流都會按計畫來執行那為了汲取國外的軍事經驗我們透過雙方的交流可以去增進訓練的效益那提升國軍的整體戰力那其他對這些個案我想我們還是不予評論啦 |
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所以基本上這個你不予評論啦因為就我去看的資料我以往沒有看過這情形那不管是巴結隆他負責Policy Strategy Plan負責跨國這些演訓或者是這個愛布蘭羅伯特愛布蘭他來他不能自己一個人來 |
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就是說你要了解一個軍演或者雙方盟軍的合作或台美軍事的合作我們樂見因為這對台灣安全更有幫助那有隨行的觀察員嗎那可以回答就可以回答不能回答我尊重我想詳細的狀況私下再跟我說說明因為將軍不帶兵 |
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其實這個用處不一樣那來到這邊一個是現役的J5一個是剛退沒多久駐韓的聯合部隊跟韓國部隊都歸他指揮那他只是一個人來看跟帶一群觀察員而且是現役的觀察員來看代表的意義跟功能又不一樣那我尊重這個我們可以私下溝通我最後請教這一次我們漢光電腦兵推從過去的8天7夜增加到14天 |
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13頁那增加這個時間它的原因是什麼增加了哪些科目因為我們是從這個灰色地帶的一個洗澡的這個想定的狀況所以想定歧視點往前推了往前因為現在很多狀況它都是用灰色地帶的洗澡來作為一個 |
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就像現在很多針對性的一些軍演的這些狀況我們必須要隨時掌握他們的一個意圖所以我們把這個時間要往前部長我了解因為我聽你講過這個我的意思是說那也就是從原來的8天7夜變成14天13夜因為我們把想定的狀況提早嘛所以增加的時間跟科目是跟灰色地帶的coercion有關嘛 |
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灰色地帶的洗澡可能會升級到有可能如果有關鍵的疫情增活的話會演變到一個高強度的時候我們要如何來進行立即的備戰操演然後提升加強戒備有沒有增加一些以前到現在沒有的科目 |
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歷年來都會有增加相關的在科目裡面因為相關的這些透過這些模擬系統我們來進行推演之後我們會在7月的漢光的實兵在裡面再做驗證我的意思是說你增加了快一倍的時間 |
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相當長,因為我們往前拉也往後拉對,所以應該有多一些新的科目是有沒有什麼科目可以讓國人知道更安心一點,或者你不辯講我也尊重 |
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是連山註冊跟委員報告除了我們前面的灰色地帶硬處以外在整個從應急戰備到全面戒備之間中間我們要相關包含海空的聯合作戰以及第一面作戰的部分我們都有把 |
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拉長然後去做這個電腦的你這樣講大概就是增加了一些因應的措施嘛那我們海巡的納入啦或者是民防的納入那跟友盟之間的互動我想大概是這一次漢光41號增加很多新的東西啦那些時間關係我們有的私下溝通那謝部長時間我會把那個新化這個單位他那個用你知道民間透過主管館介紹士官來借錢 |
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這會出問題 我會把資料給各位所以我們一定會來精進這些相關的這些查察 |