| IVOD_ID |
160188 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160188 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-16T09:51:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-16T10:06:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f9d2e74df98279df875fb902594ca3d4a3fd8a5ba555e825d146475ae9ed72cd5e42fc9f2fe0e8b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:51:58 - 10:06:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席今天排這麼有水準的題目不錯 題目排得很好各位先進來有請我們的財政部的莊部長農業部的杜次長以及經濟部的姜次長三位長官三位長官委員好 |
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好 三位總統好 首先我請教農業部這次賴清德總統說跟美國談關稅從零開始 農民就開始緊張了啊農業談零的話 請問農業人口現在多少 |
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農業人口多少你回答這問題農業人口多少農業人口多少農業人口多少農業人口多少 |
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還是怎麼樣 農業人口你居然不知道你農業會是長的有實際從農的 也要分看他是專業農或者是專業農實際從事農業的就業人口四十九萬啦 |
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啊農業戶的76萬戶啦啊在農業戶裡面的人口233萬 佔總人口10%啦差不多 差不多哇 你是去那裡你農業戶的次長你不知道你怎麼能加入農保啊 到實際從農的有到老闆的啊 實際從農的 實在高端啊目前是這樣是啊 我跟你說你這三天的次長 你在做咧怎麼會這樣啊 我問你啦真的把 吃 把關稅 |
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當我們要變零的話 大家要抓狂啊這樣從業人口幾十萬人會抓狂啊其實農業對台灣的重要性 其實大家都知道不只農民知道 不止我們知道所以你怎麼樣 你堅持說不可以為零你要講出來啊你要講出來 請你大聲講出來 |
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我跟你講喔 即便我們加入WTO全世界在談零關稅 目標就是希望零關稅都要保護全國 全世界都要保護他們當地的農民很重要的所以你要大聲講啊賴總統講的包括農業你這句 你敢不敢講應該這樣說 以農業為最優先絕對保障WTO的利益 |
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董事長你再講一遍說農業的部分如果零關稅我們不接受可以嗎?說一遍應該不是這樣說啦我們所有的談判其實一定是以台灣最優先那以農業部但是保障台灣的農業農民為最優先所以不能接受農產品是零嘛還是這樣美國要來那個雞棒棒啊 |
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磅磅雞腿啊 20%咧 20% 靠20%應該是這樣說 不會全部都變成零所以有機會變成零 那你厲害那農民起來抗議喔 我剛才說了喔就業人口有49萬喔 但是農戶裡面的人口有230多萬喔這是10%的人口喔 別說你如果來70萬 你就幫他水喔 |
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想好喔 這個就是賴清德總統啊 等於貴格跟人家談啦一下子要犧牲農民的權利啊 啊 絕對不會有東西一定保障台灣農業的請進一步的江次長 你可以回去了杜部長我對你很失望耶 我又問三不知 居然能夠發生你管農業部的做這麼大的官 又什麼都不知道啊大嘴開開眼的而已 還會這樣 |
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來 我請教請問我們跟美國開始談了沒有關稅 關稅 |
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開始談了沒有我們都已經準備好了我們是ready to talk但是not talk yet我們都可以隨時的所以還沒有嘛所以說居然有媒體來嚇說我們跟以色列第一批的英台灣現在被抓到不是嘛第一批美國要談的是日本韓國印度英國澳洲第一波嘛 |
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請問你在第一波什麼時候要談?這個韓國是下個禮拜根據媒體報導韓國日本是明天印度呢?印度是之前之前有有談過英國呢?英國英國英國的部分也是之前的總理有去澳洲呢?澳洲澳洲澳洲澳洲 |
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澳洲我...不知道你們掌握一下啦齁我請教你談的結果可以不可以讓老百姓說我們談的結果大概就是落在十八到三十二百之間是不是這樣子報告委員還是甚至於比十八還低我們會爭取國家最大的利益而且一定要保護我國產生意的立正利那是什麼那是什麼 你說這聽不懂 |
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談判的過程我們會積極的來幫我們有沒有結果呢 你談出什麼嘛他現在來講是基準的所有全世界國家最少課10%現在請問你台灣到美國課幾%你是外貿的現在是10%現在過去了 10%以前了10%以前課多少要看個別的產品 |
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剋3%啦剋3%啦所以現在來講我們賣到美國是1100多億對不對 到美國去了1100多億美金 |
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然後剋3% 過去剋3% 現在要剋10%一來就損失7%這就是為什麼莊部長很明快地第一次回答我的時候說我們的稅損就75億美金是從這裡來的啦7.5億7.5億喔 7.5億喔你7.5億怎麼算來來來 我跟你部長要說 |
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我想跟委員報告我說7.5億是指說以113年美國進口到我國的實際的貨物來按照我們所課徵的關稅113年是7.5億美金 |
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那你跟我講的不一樣啊你跟我講的不一樣啊我是問我們到美國去是一千一百多億美金現在要多課七趴啊當然就七十幾億啦我現在講兌跑情報部長還是講說看看各個產品有不同的不是不是啦平均Average啦Average |
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Average是沒有錯的所以就是現在原來3%現在他課10%雖然沒有課32%但是對我們來講利息的影響就是要損失了多給美國70幾億美金啦這個江部長 江次長你同意這樣說嗎 |
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是 不過現在我們的出口商跟客戶呢都在協商看是不是還是有尤其是相關的自通訊產品是有客戶端來繳交相關的當然啦 你個別可能低了但是Average 我跟你講Average再請教中部長啊 |
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現在大家看了 像美國要我們什麼 投資市場我們要投資的 大量投資的除了台積電 大哥去了 二哥聯電也要去了還有大量去買它的天然氣啊 這個石油啊阿拉斯加那裡 要韓國 日本跟我們一起要蓋一個pipe啊 類似pipe一樣啊通到我們這邊 到時那裡開關一鑽台灣的錢就進來 給美國拉還有降貿易障礙等等等等還有一條最近大家注意的 |
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說真的不行就買美國一百年無息的公債啊部長你怎麼看政府的財政這個部分應該是屬於央行在做處理的我知道啦 但是你財政管錢的央行他這邊他是用他的所謂的外匯存底去做他的財務的備份他現在是80%是都有利率的啦有值利率的是 他買貨不買我覺得央行這邊會做處理是 |
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這個很嚴重喔 這個等於是買了會倒閉喔這個買了 如果真的買100年現在來說的話 我們還有3% 4%現在改成100年 來 我們來看一個第二個請 那個江市長 就可以請回了我們現在 財政部 現在財政部的事情今年你們確定報稅到 延到6月嗎喔對 到6月 好 那我就給你算了啦你看 另外一張這個啊 |
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財政部沒有時間限制喔只要你送來 隨時送來書面報告就可以解凍了國庫署兩案 戶稅署五區 國稅署五案官務署四案 國產署四案 |
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一個月內送書面報告就可以解凍的財政部商案 國庫署兩案國庫署叫五區 五區國稅局一案關稅 關路署六案財政資訊中心兩案各位 看看這個數字啊財政部擺墮啊 堵車啊 |
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這些東西 我們再翻前一頁去年的時候 早就3月20號已經過了早就街東開街東就動了 現在已經超過快一個月了還不滴出來 大家都了解啦為了大罷沒 我們再回去剛才那一頁 |
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這麼多的案子 出面報告寫 報告就可以解凍連這個都不要寫 連這個都不要部長啊 你一方面有分到商業一方面你又說 哎呀我可以6月才報稅就不好意思說 你錢這麼多喔 |
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你們錢很多 解凍也不要解凍跟我說你也不要報告不要來這裡報告什麼都不要去寫一個報告書名報告載你走然後去解凍了居然這樣都可以配合大罷免莊部長啊政務官是中華民國的政務官不是民進黨的政務官啊不要作賤自己啊寫報告要再回到任意各位看官看清楚 |
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財政部多麼的配合大罷免連動書面寫幾個字就可以解凍的案子賴在這裡都不理居然這個樣子 |
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部長您回答一下跟委員報告有關總預算的那個凍結案件那相關的提案內容我們財政部跟所屬都逐一再核對然後提案內容然後書寫報告同時我們也會去再做盤點檢視是不是符合了有關解凍的一個要件比如說有些案例 |
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到執行完畢以後才可以提出來申請所以這個部分每個案子的情況發紅我們必須要去重新做一個盤點要符合這個也不要經過立法院的議員會什麼都不要你報告找人財政委員會就解凍了啊這樣的舉手之勞也都不做 |
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讓人家瞧不起啊 裝不上我覺得不是這樣子我們非常地鄭重對這個案件抓完民國的政務官變成民進黨官 變成瞧不起最後一題 今天主席列的很有水準的題目台西山地 你稍微暫停一分鐘讓我把這個講完 |
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自由貿易港區違規的轉運 我都查得很仔細喔112年16件 花50萬而已一件就花3萬多113年10件 花40萬這就是非常可能犧牲地的來抓這個就不等於台灣主力了這個是鐵牌啦 |
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我讀了喔 我們的規定什麼叫稀產地 不管從 比如說中國大陸 從任何地方來台灣我們在加工 Value Added就是我們加工的一個級數超過35%就是Made in Taiwan這麼清楚 那我就請教部長低於35%是不是通通叫稀產地 |
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這個部分是有貿易處這邊 他們在發生許可證的時候來來來 經濟部的江市長你講一下 不好意思 你講一下因為今天是綜合題目你們有規定在台灣進來 不管從什麼地方來的產品只要我台灣加工的附加價值增加35%以上就不叫稀產地否則就是稀產地 是這樣子嗎 |
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我們對於原產地的認定他有兩個標準第一個是他要轉換這個貨品號列稅號整個完全轉換就實質轉型另外一個呢他的在台灣的這個必須要有35%的這個附加價值也就是說換言之呢如果說你一些簡單加工啊切割包裝這種我們就不認不認為說這是符合那個都叫犧牲地是不是這個應該跟 |
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今天一名的主席叫排西山地亞這麼有所謂的題目我就問清楚什麼叫西山地亞 |
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你怎麼知道?習產地就是沒有經過實質轉型以及符合附加價值你們已經有了,只要附加價值我這邊加工超過35%就是沒得台灣就是沒得台灣,其他都是鐵牌就是習產地啊,鐵牌就是習產地啊,人家不是嗎?是是嗎?所以低於35%就是習產地確定這是WTO的共同,全世界共同的標準 |
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就是local content要超過35%了好 謝謝 |