| IVOD_ID |
160171 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160171 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-15T15:20:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-15T15:50:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ff8fb8a229f5b3ffeaaf4b9d02df2ad907f87cc90aeb78e34fbf2d39b6793e8be7f4644ce7aaae0d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:20:00 - 15:50:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝院長 本席邀請行政院院長麻煩請卓院長再次備詢 |
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杨委员好院长好本席首先今天要跟你分享也请你聆听一下我现在没有时间了时间在你们的手里一周八天一年六季你们是上帝而我的肋骨跟脊椎已经被你们通通收去我现在没有时间了 |
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我會在駕駛的時候睡覺看護的時候夢遊蹲馬桶的時候吃便當抽菸的時候抱小孩而你們在開會的時候數錢度假的時候數錢打拋的時候數錢其實根本不用數 |
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炸之機的牽管會直接通往你們家裡的保險箱我現在沒有時間了鬧鐘在你們的手裡但我不打算交出我手裡的電池我不打算交出我的脊椎我不打算交出我的孩子跟我自己那一點點抬頭看望天空的時間我不打算交出我的天空 |
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土地需要時間才能回臥毛蟲需要時間才能變成蝠蝶我需要時間才能呼吸您也需要時間才能認出鏡子裡頭字跡我相信這些字或許有一點刺眼有一點刺耳但是都是我們在前線勞工在過勞的困境當中看到政府沒有辦法有作為的時候他只能用詩詞用文字做最後沉痛的掙扎跟表白 |
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我希望政府能夠藉由這一首詩重新的來檢討勞動政策我也希望執政黨的官員們不要變成鄉賓socialist這是非常的重要過去執政黨號稱跟勞工團體站在一塊我們的前總統蔡英文小姐也說 |
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他勞工是民進黨心中最軟的一塊但是民進黨推動勞基法修惡法砍掉了七天假勞工低薪又過時貧富差距越來越大勞動的條件也越來越差這樣的狀況我看到我們的政府還是看不到作為到現在台灣已經變成過勞之島院長你覺得怎樣 |
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由在野黨來提醒執政黨9年提醒過去號稱的跟支持勞工的民進黨你不覺得有一點諷刺嗎因為在2023年的年總工時我們達到了2020小時為全球主要國家的第五高 |
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亞洲地區主要國家的第二高我們僅次於誰呢僅次於新加坡近三年的工時不斷的在增加台灣已經成為過勞之島院長我們要如何處理你覺得我們是過勞之島嗎請做說明 |
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兩個部分第一個所謂七天假並不是砍掉而是在實施週休二日之後他當時在前前前政府的時候就是這樣在設定馬總統的時候都是這樣在設定的所以七天假沒有所謂砍掉的問題現在是大家在評估說整個社會經濟進步的情況底下 |
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有人提出各種休假的方式但這個截然跟所謂七天假不相干另外我們的工時比較長因為我們計算的方式如果把部分工時也算在裡面的話我們其實是沒有那麼長的這個再請部長來做仔細的說明請稍等 |
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院長你說沒有砍掉七天架而且這也是不相關大家都聽到了我要告訴你本席具體數字告訴你公時可分為制度公時實際公時我們根據資料跟學者的同時我們來看數字台灣跟日韓來做比較法定的公時一樣單週是40個小時但是看是不比別人差但是最重要的差別是什麼 |
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是永薪假日韓國定的假日呢他分別是16天跟15天都比我們台灣的12天還要高特休的部分我們看到在整個年薪滿15年之前台灣的特休假的基本上我們也是少於日韓喔所以台灣的青年他出入職場的時候他是更過勞更痛苦在這樣的情況之下台灣的勞工加入出入加入職場的他的一個 |
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前兩年的一個時間點是多少公時是一千九百小時以上年資到三年到九年的部分甚至停滯在一千八百六十個小時所以它的時數都比日韓出入職場的還要高你要知道中小企業目前我們的平均的這個壽命是十三年 |
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年資15年後才能夠比較有這個特休的一個設計在這樣情況之下加上我們的國定假日被砍不還那根本就是在壓榨我們整個的年輕勞工所以這樣子不是過勞什麼才是過勞呢所以本席要在這邊說明減少勞工 |
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你們政府也一直在努力但是本是告訴你減少勞工也就是還勞工的七天假洪部長你記得洪委員嗎當時呢您也簽署了執政黨的委員也就是要怎麼樣降低工時所以院長在我們台灣面臨這樣子的一個過勞的情況甚至我們的年輕人青壯年的勞工的一個窘境他會影響到我們整個 |
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國家的一個勞動少子化以及經濟這是國家大計這是國安大計所以我們如果持續的低薪那低薪改變不了的時候我相信減少工時不就是我們應該作為改革的重點嗎所以部長在你之前在立法院回答的時候我很高興的聽到你支持勞工的工時降低您現在的主張是不是一樣的態度呢請院長說明 |
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請院長說明請院長說明因為這是部長院長您說明啊部長之前的說法跟現在一致我跟楊委員說明確實台灣的工時的問題我確實覺得有改善的空間 |
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我認為確實有改善的空間事實上這幾年這個政府其實也很努力的希望來提高薪資其實提高跟薪資跟降低工時也是有關係的因為就是希望能夠把薪資的提高讓一些我們一些勞工他可能不會因為他的薪資過低所以他必須被迫要來加班所以就你的本業我們要怎麼樣降低工時你的措施在哪裡請教你 |
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所以楊偉勇說明這幾年其實我們包括我們的基本工資其實一直在提升第二個其實我們現在會來提出關於薪資透明化的做法那薪資透明化其實也會有助於實質的薪資的提升其實事實上這兩年在薪資的提升上面是有成果的但我說實話我自己覺得當然還不夠請教工時的部分 |
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對 那我說薪資的提高跟工時之間是有關係的那至於剛剛楊委員可能講到的是國定假日的問題我自己覺得國定假日的問題從勞動部的角度來說我認為這是有討論的空間的非常感謝我們現在的洪部長還是支持以前洪委員的這個論點那所以本期要說明在我們的這個委員會裡頭 |
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已經國民黨所提案已經有整合出一個版本而且出了委員會就送到院會代協商是將這五天至少還有五天還五天那請教院長你會不會支持這樣的方案我剛剛跟委員報告過2016年的時候馬前總統那個時代請教院長你會不會支持這樣子的方案因為您現在是院長 |
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對這個國定假日如何去定義不要跟所謂七天假混在一起談不要混在一起啊那不要混在一起請問你們什麼時候要提出版本有沒有行政院版本大家都聽到了不要混在一起 |
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換句話說 再一次禮貌的請教你會不會支持目前在委員會所討論 紅部長都在現場委員會所討論的也就是將國定的假日五天假送到院會要來協商 請問行政院會不會支持 |
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我們有我們的想法但這個想法我的前提想法是想委員要跟大家一起說跟老公朋友一起說在馬前總統的時候就說到了那個條件就是實施週休二日之後就沒有所謂七天假不要把它混在一起談 |
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現在已經在立法院委員會已經送出了我想要請洪部長給院長報告一下我也希望得到行政院的一個支持我們真正的幫助我們的勞工這一個非常重要同時剛剛院長說了你們有你們的想法我也希望你們會不會送版本到立法院來請說明 |
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所以七天假或五天或幾天有沒有經過科學的評估到底對國內的產業影響多少對勞工的工時降低多少要經過科學的評估這個在委員會都充分的討論所以院長我請你用點心協助我們的勞工我相信你一定有這個心你好好地協助我們的勞工把院板送來 謝謝你接下來本席要討論的也就是我們世界潮流我們的能源政策 |
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部長 院長 台灣在2025年非核家園的目標下今年的五月份將會關閉我們的這個第三核能電廠的二號機那達到了非核家園在這樣的情況之下同時我們看到再生能源是來不及補足我們台灣電力的一個缺口那我們只能夠仰賴什麼呢再生能源來不及的時候就仰賴南美 |
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就仰賴我們的天然氣嘛發電但是這不僅違背了2050年的一個淨零碳排也可能可能會被課徵碳關稅也可能會被課徵喔所以在這樣的情況之下我們急迫的看到台電的員工很辛苦台電呢他累計的虧損將近4千億今年1月份他們的財報出來又增加了121億的虧損其中太陽能的虧損是5.8億 |
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風力是58億外購燃氣的部分是這個17億那唯一沒有缺的沒有虧的就是有盈餘7億多的核電換句話說未來還是會繼續虧這樣子的一個方向政策所以院長 |
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台電的虧損他應當最重要的是能源政策有問題因為這個數字已經告訴你了台電堅強還是要買高的綠電那這個是慘虧的原因那我們繼續來看到目前為止執政黨把發電平均1.12元最便宜的核電 |
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要廢棄不用了但是我們的燃煤跟燃氣的部分是2.5到3塊我們的綠電我們又看到光電風電要多少5塊到6塊半所以在這樣的情況之下有學者推估去年台電很辛苦台電背了一個黑鍋因為購入了火力發電跟風力發電以外以外的支出超過600億 |
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超過600億院長核電可以作為基載電力再生電源不行在這樣情況之下很多的國家考量到整個電力的一個穩定性而且又要不排碳的一個電力就有他們都有希望要保留核電 |
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那現在AI的算計它的電力的需求量又是非常非常高電力就等於是國力科技的巨頭以及先進的國家都開始在使用核電台灣背道而馳 |
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那麼沒有核電的計劃跟配套所以院長在氣候變遷的副總副召集人童子賢先生他也說了他說以一年用電三千億度來計算每一度如果差一塊錢那一年國家支出額外的多少三千億元三千億元所以他說他呼籲讓核電來幫忙吧他可以每一年替台灣省下N千億元 |
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所以院長在這樣子的情況之下又在這個會議當中不只童子仁先生吶喊我們的中研院的廖院長他也說未來的AI用電需求量可能無上限台灣的土地面積以及再生能源的總量它也有上限所以因此我們必須要考慮其他的能源能夠來因應未來的一個需求 |
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他说在过去德国因为他有两周缺了阳光跟缺了风所以他就向邻近的国家法国以核能为主要能源的来进口核电我们是不是应该也要效法 |
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這個德國的一個做法在這樣的考量之下我們更必須要將我們的能源安全能源成長以及台灣目前所需要的這些狀況納入整體性的一個評估所以院長在我們世界各國如此的作為我們是反逆的世界潮流還是要配合所以我們我也藉由美國前任的這個 |
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在台協會這個司徒文處長所說的他參加了2025年區域安全兵推的時候他說了一句話問你一句話為什麼台灣政府要反對核能請說明 |
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我先報告委員兩件委員應該知道的事情請郭部長回答第一個委員應該知道我們的河山廠40年期限到了這是河管法的規定依照河管法40年期限到就必須處理這我告訴你啊這五月份要關啊OK這我已經告訴你答案了第二個委員應該知道的事情我們現在開始到2030 3032年之間我們除了多元發展綠電之外我們有六座大型的電廠以氣換煤在排 |
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降低這個排碳更新設備放大他能量包括大嶺包括興達包括通宵包括台中包括林口包括協和這個委員都清楚的很好 院長你如數家珍也表示你知道這個問題的嚴重性因為本席要告訴你要告訴你核子反應器的這個設施管制辦法站在你旁邊郭部長我非常敬佩他在經濟委員會他說 |
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如果現在已經在立法院在討論那麼這個修法國民黨提案郭部長說如果大院通過經濟部跟台電會依照修法的這個方向去執行之那請教院長修法通過你會依照這個方向去執行之嗎 |
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任何一個法案只要經過大院充分討論民主表決出來的結果行政院基本上支持非常感謝那送到行政院執行制的時候那你還會提復議嗎 |
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980.294 |
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我說他如果經過充分討論當然充分討論啊以前很多不是喔我們有113個委員不分藍綠白大家討論我們的看法以前我們真的沒有沒有沒有如果大院通過 你的郭部長是這麼說您會不會這樣支持 您說你願意那你會不會再提附議 請說如果我們建立在共同的前提說充分討論民主的程序大院出來的法案 |
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法律案預算案行政院應該是要接受的所以我們就會在這個法律的新的結構底下開始推演怎麼樣對國家最有利的方向我們也希望台灣的能源有新的展現新的展現因為我們很清楚的知道我們的能源確實因為我們蓬勃發展能源確實會不夠那我們要怎麼樣多元的一個開發這是非常的重要所以有一個重點 |
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您說您會支持但是本席支持是原意的一個修法但是本席要請教也就是《環境基本法》的第23條我們的郭部長跟您也一樣說如果有新的技術能源你們會用開放的態度 |
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但是你如果環境基本法抱著神主牌非核家園的神主牌你是永遠只是水巴縮縮根本不能做所以環境基本法本席也有提出將非核家園改為淨零家園你同意吧 |
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非核家園在環境基本法當中並不是誰的神主牌是大院通過的法案好 非常感謝你說不是神主牌我歡喜聽到那麼改為本席所提出的環境基本法第23條也就是說非核家園我們改為近鄰家園你同意吧 |
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1058.832 |
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1077.109 |
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不論是非核或是淨零都是我們邁向的目標但是我聽到委員講淨零比過去您的同事講非碳我覺得好多了好很好謝謝你謝謝你我們一起加油我希望委員會討論送出來協商的時候希望得到行政院的一個支持謝謝接下來我本期要跟你討論 |
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1078.972 |
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1104.899 |
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關稅的問題 院長美國關稅政策他非常的詭辯所以大家說跟那個變臉一樣其實我不太喜歡講這句話因為我希望我們的產業是穩定的我知道整個中央政府地方政府大家都嚴正以待而且我們的官員也都很辛苦所以本期要請教我們正面臨的重塑整個全球經貿的一個樣態 |
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在這樣的一個情況之下政府說4月11號我方代表團已經帶著我們基本的策略那麼也跟美國第一時間用視訊的會議所以要請教您預估什麼時候可以拿出成果那麼在這個成果的時候呢你會分段的來分享還是說要等到60天還是90天才會知道這個結果請教 |
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我們非常抱歉我覺得是國際性的談判不是在這裡我們把自己像切香腸一樣一段一段切擺在這個跟切香腸沒有關係因為接下來本席要告訴你的是產業界未知的這個情況他們很緊張因為我們作為行政院就是要讓我們的人民 |
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尤其是我們的產業他能夠安心所以你不回答本席的這個議題我也給予尊重但是我們還是要繼續討論這個議題本席請教對於美國採購對於美國的投資對於零關稅對於相關的貿易障礙哪一項是首先列入談判的一個項目很多的項目都是談判過程當中必須一一拿出來討論的 |
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所以換句話說你還是沒辦法告訴我是哪一些是具體但是您曾經說過政府我也非常的希望我們希望能夠用BTA的這個精神跟美國來談那請教院長你認為我們達成BTA的機率有多大 |
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我們當然希望用BTA的方式雙邊貿易的協定因為仿茂USMCA美加MORE的這個協定它是一個我們看到的結構跟基礎即使它執行的內容並不如它原來設定協定時候那樣的完整但是至少它是一個架構在那個架構底下如果可以有往BTA的方向去做雙方的談話 |
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也許架構在 精神可以在互相的做一些磋商非常好 本席也希望如此但是我們有前策之見本席不希望重蹈覆轍因為之前我們也都說我們希望跟美國洽談這個BTA我們也做出了很多的貿易的讓步 |
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但是最後都不了了之所以我還是充分建議大家加油我們希望政府要務實的穩定的來做談判以人民的利益為最優先而不是急著用話術來做宣傳 |
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沒有非常好所以院長我想大家都很關心你下鄉去開講就針對於美國宣布的什麼電腦手機智慧型晶片這20種產品那豁免的對等關稅你還說這是強心劑但是美國川普又來一個回馬槍了他說他隨即又發文沒有任何的豁免 |
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而且他說一週之內要宣布會端出半導體關稅的這個稅率那川普他說囉他說他希望想要在他自己國家裡頭來生產晶片跟半導體那麼請教院長在整個談判的資訊跟狀況到底是如何美國接下來他會宣布半導體或其他的電子產品增加關稅嗎請做說明 |
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美國新的政策一直在宣布像今天他又有一個訊息出來說對汽車零組件可能也有另外一個新的思考所以表示你之前加強去講的講得太快了因為美國一直變再變再變表示我們有掌握到訊息對我方有利的我們會充分留起來用如果政策改變了我們就改變未來談判的策略跟我們的立場 |
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很好接下來本期告訴你輝達宣布跟台積電在美投資要5000億的美元那麼未來我們是會預期台灣有更多的半導體跟產業會到美國請院長 |
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好 這個早上委員又有提到那我們有經過經濟部在做細部的分析是不是一定有時間讓部長來說我們的產業界會不會 告訴我會不會就好 院長這樣部長來回答報告委員 這個命題我們有經過評估有評析 回答他要投資五千億美金在美國他分成三個部分 |
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本錢非常清楚所以請教會不會你們評估嘛一定會有評估會不會未來有我們更多的我們的產業量會移到美國去沒有他那個部分你告訴我會不會他那個部分大概我們台灣大概只有兩種公司會跟著去 |
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做EMS的就是說做代工的包括報紙也有寫鴻海跟微創這個會過去另外一個就是台積電的封裝的部分他本來在美國是交給Amaco這個公司在做這個在美國講好了但是Amaco可能技術不夠 |
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所以我們台灣的細品可能會去指導但是這個東西呢並沒有完全的被披露我們對這個個案的詳細的內容我們都有做一些比較因為沒有拿到手上但是這個部分如果我們台灣的廠商要去美國去投資的話那麼當然經濟部會可以關注那如果是屬於台灣技術的部分 |
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如果是屬於台灣技術的部分我們一定會嚴守台灣的技術本位我們留在台灣不會過去院長您聽到部長所說的也是本席希望的我們國內的產業當然我們要跟世界接軌但是怎麼樣能夠保護我國國內產業的產業鏈不能斷這個是非常的重要因為產業等於是民生 |
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固產業就等於是顧名聲所以在當時這個關稅風暴出來的時候本席就具體建議我們對外要談判加速談判對內要怎麼樣呢要紓困而且應對要快對不對 |
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我們都有做到你們都有做到但是我告訴你在這樣的一個情況之下我們都非常的希望能夠要怎麼做也就剛才討論的產業我們要怎麼保護日本的首相他在昨天禮拜一的時候他告訴了議會表示日本不會因為倉促完成美國跟美國的關稅談判而做出妥協我們的立場是不是同樣請院長說明 |
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我說 談判的進行一定是爭取國家最大的利益就是不會為了談判妥協不犧牲國家人民的利益當然 爭取國家最大的利益而要維護產業的國際競爭力謝謝接下來我們要討論這個貿易關稅的障礙的問題那麼請教院長美方最在意的是什麼我們的立場又是什麼關稅貿易障礙的部分我方的立場是什麼我們美國最在意的是什麼非關稅貿易障礙 |
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基本上分為工業跟農業各有不同的議題在裡面那我們認為要基於雙方貿易的平衡跟公平性也有助於未來大家朝向一個BTA的方式來談有一些內容是可以在談判的時候互相拿出來做磋商的好 一個互相拿出來磋商我告訴你在2025年各國的貿易談判這個貿易障礙的評估裡頭台灣我們自己台灣僅能夠進口是30個月以上 |
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的這個牛而且角肉牛角肉也不能進嚴格的審查牛內臟那豬肉的部分特別是與國際標準不符的萊克多巴胺的一個檢驗方式都列在美國的貿易關稅的障礙裡頭在這樣的情況之下請教美豬美牛可能會因為關稅談判而鬆綁嗎 |
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我們首先要把握的是國人的健康再來是我們國內的消費市場的習慣好 所以我主張我們也必須要參考上國際的標準跟科學的根據我們必須用這個方式才能有利於談判 |
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院長所以我告訴你本席告訴你我主張產品產地的標示不能成為貿易談判的籌碼因為2021年我們進口萊豬的時候對台灣的豬農跟消費者有做出承諾如果棄手當然沒有辦法接受的所以還有一個議題美方也希望能夠進口基改的食品 |
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我們在教委會裡頭有通過這個基改的食品不能進到校園而且依照我們學校的衛生法的一個法律規定它是不准基改的東西為了孩童的安全孩童的安全是最底的底線絕對不容許有破洞所以本席要請教你的態度呢也就是基改的食品不能進到校園 |
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還是剛剛的那句話我們國內有國內的法令我們有市場的習慣這個都是維護國人的安全但我們也要考慮到這個國際上的共同的標準跟有沒有科學的根據如果這個科學標準跟根據能夠再來討論的過程當中我們能夠堅持我們的立場也不會去違反國際的這種慣例的話那我們就能堅守住我們的道路院長你這麼說本席聽不是很清楚本想還是要告訴你清楚的立場 |
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基於孩童的健康基改的食品一定不得進入到我們的校園這是我們的學校衛生法裡頭所規定的請你務必要執行徹底到位我知道我們的法律的規定之所在所以本席要告訴你昨天我也邀請了我們的這個經濟部非常感謝那麼也請聽了產業的這個心聲因為中部地區針對我們的工具機手工具機工具零組件扣件等試行車我們的這個 |
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這個產業可以說是中部地區的一個胖修啦他的產值也是數兆以上但是昨天有一個答案人民不安心不知道未來是如何所以本期具體建議你的880億現在暫緩不管什麼原因但是本期還是建議積極的趕快拿出你們的方案出來其中有一點很重要大家都認為傳統產業中小企業是在於我們整個產業界的大概九成 |
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勞動業也在這裡非常的重要重要所以本席要告訴你大家都認為政府偏重於AI 科技將我們的船船似乎不到那麼重視那本席要具體建議一定要針對我們的傳統產業中小企業一定要好好的輔導執行到位設立一個專責的單一船口應變小組來協助產業 |
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1784.806 |
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中小企業中小微企業都是一直是經濟部主管我們在今天的總預算當中編列了116億比過去都多我相信除了通案刪除的部分大概大院裡面也沒有刪除我們在880億裡面加了50億 |
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院長880億裡頭你說的中小微企業50億你手拿那麼高你認為夠嗎本期認為不夠你必須要將這個數額來提高真正的照顧我們的中小企業嘛 |
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因為年度預算有116億我們把它加了50億我們現在還在跟企業聆聽之後我們還在做最後的盤整會有可能會有可能880億一四十需要一四十需要再增加嗎 再加碼嗎200億是研發的 |
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好 謝謝楊瓊英文資訊 謝謝 |