| IVOD_ID |
160152 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160152 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-14T13:21:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-14T13:31:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c03f6dba47f887f09f99252afff937c1cd5e5c6f32857690e52288e39e3bca0ccc0bfe413a39fb5b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:21:06 - 13:31:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部部長鄭英耀列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請部長請部長備質詢委員好部長好 其實我一直都在非常關心我們各個運動協會拿了政府的補助是多少錢花在選手的事情上面這個事情我從去年就一路開始追了上禮拜五本要來時間的關係剛好衝到沒辦法過來 |
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男子球場的事情部長上個禮拜也在這個委員會很坦率的表示這就是丟人現眼沒有什麼好說的體育署內部要深切檢討檢討到現在做了什麼懲處這個檢討應該不是空口說白話部長這邊已經指示下來所以我們這禮拜會把懲處的一個基本的建議呈到所以你的建議是什麼 |
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這部分是我們在國際組這邊在跟足協的溝通的方面沒有更積極所以你的懲處建議是什麼目前我們還沒有開會就是這禮拜開完會之後會懲到本部好沒關係來請部長部長我直接跟您報告為什麼啦足協膽子這麼大為什麼足協膽子這麼大就是過去體育署在面對相關案子的時候 |
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根本就在放水就在包庇所以膽子越來越大之前胡搞瞎搞不會有什麼責任我就繼續散漫亂搞搞到把國家的臉丟到國際社會上面去了丟人現眼就像部長講的一樣現在說要懲處要追究責任玩真的玩假的我們這一次拭目以待但我要先跟部長講的是什麼我去年 |
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就公開點名足協啊欠國腳的錢還發假的扣腳平單我們的體育署那時候態度是什麼我們那時候體育署態度是說會輔導他啦加強他的收支控管啊扣腳平單要去更正啊軟趴趴啊我來問了好幾次啊這樣子剝削我們的國腳結果只是要他更正喔 |
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體育署軟趴趴但是我絕對不放我後來請財政部請審計部請國稅局下去處理結果你知道把他們移送法辦的是哪個單位嗎是國稅局是國稅局這件事情本來是應該體育署第一時間啊就要表達非常嚴正的立場怎麼可以這樣對待我們的國教結果我們的體育署 |
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軟到請他更正未來加強這樣足協會怕喔部長你覺得這樣足協會怕嗎我想我完全同意委員的一個說法您同意我的說法是一回事人民要看到的是具體的作為 |
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上個禮拜也有委員跟你問過這個問題但上個禮拜委員問得比較簡單輕輕帶過我直接再往下看審計部的報告到我辦公室我看了以後我真是瞠目結舌一樣喔全部都是在教育部體育署下面的學校新南向計畫去泰國一張機票一萬到一萬二 |
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單項協會 宜訓參賽一萬三到兩萬四結果竹學 宜訓參賽拿體育署補助的錢一張機票三萬 三萬三是我們給他補助太多嗎錢太多可以這樣花現在我還沒有懷疑喔這個機票款是不是灌水喔 |
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如果是灌水那是刑事責任的部分嘛這個沒有問題但問題是全部都是政府的公文書啊我們政府相關人員在查核這些經費怎麼核銷怎麼請補助的時候不會覺得很怪本教育部體育署學校的計畫泰國機票我們編一萬到一萬二結果逐協的疑訊一張機票可以三萬三結果被審計部揪出來了 |
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現在被審計部揪出來以後體育署接下來打算怎麼辦這部分主席當時給的理由是因為報名太晚所以太晚買機票所以當時的艙等的機票比較昂貴但這部分我們的確會做內部的檢討我們會要求他這一塊我們如果有問題我們會送檢調不用啊 不用你們送啊人家審計部送了啦要得你們送就太晚了啦 |
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352.993 |
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不僅是高於行情還獨厚特定廠商體育署有去了解嗎審計部的報告寫得這麼清楚報告委員他如果沒有按照招標的部分我們就要繳回如果是按照招標的部分我們基本上就要請生要繳回的企業什麼時候討回來目前應該是目前是知道有招標啦 |
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354.67 |
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375.471 |
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部長我繼續給你看喔當體育署對足協啊是呵護被制啊任由他胡搞瞎搞一連串的問題啊還不是只有機票審計部的報告寫得很清楚啊連賽事轉播費用都高於行情膨脹到本來50萬 |
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380.19 |
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387.474 |
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變120萬每一場都是這個樣子超支的比率140%超支的比率140%我們進一步再往下看我們過去這幾年運動發展基金超支並決算每一年超支1.7億2022年超支1.7億2023年超支2.39億2024年超支4.04億結果 |
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下面寫什麼來請部長看一下體育署允移檢討切實按照施政優先順序加強預算控管避免操之並決算的情勢2022年2023年2024年部長現在已經不是了體育署要去檢討逐協的問題 |
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現在是您旗下的體育署本身啊自己都要檢討的問題啊部長你認同嗎我同意你同意嘛好那因為啊站在你右手邊的體育署署長我沒有說他一定怎麼樣啊但他一定是利害關係人啊他一定是利害關係人啊教育部要怎麼檢討這件事情要如何追究體育署的責任部長願不願意做 |
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486.473 |
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我想我一再跟我們同仁講一定要依法行政是 你言者尊尊啊 他們是聽者渺渺剛才委員所提的那一個包含這一個機票報價比較高我事實上也特別把署長找來我也在這一個公文書裡面我看到了我說這跟行情看起來是有落差那你們怎麼樣去監控這一個協會 |
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在這個經費上的使用包括核銷上應該要有一套的機制我想我也看到了一些問題那怎麼樣對學會能夠有一個更積極的主動跟督導的一些責任時間到了我最後只講兩句話 |
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534.47 |
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部長2017年的時候體育改革是台灣社會的共識那個時候的共識是我們的政府去補助選手補助比賽支持選手所有的納稅人沒有話講但如果錢到了協會以後胡搞瞎搞沒有人可以忍受七八年的時間過去了七八年的時間過去了 |
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556.743 |
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難怪有雜誌直接用封面故事講這個體感幾年來還是一樣繼續胡搞瞎搞所以我給您第二個建議教育部不是只有體育署在檢討協會的責任體育署自己就難辭其咎啦體育署自己就難辭其咎啦我希望部長最起碼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
575.142 |
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能夠交代次長級的獨立的針對體育署在處理協會問題的時候到底是發生了什麼問題要不然你要體育署自己查自己能查出個什麼東西啊 |
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委員提醒 確實我們對這個足球學我也請我們這個張料次長會同這個體育署署長一定要確實去了解到底足球學會發生什麼事然後怎麼樣來改正那如果必要的時候需要多久你說你已經交代張料次長了嘛他要去了解嘛那了解完了 主要有一份報告嘛 需要多久 |
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626.222 |
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兩個禮拜夠不夠這個禮拜已經安排會議了我想我們會盡快來跟把這個結果對不起啊盡快這個形容詞我聽不懂啊因為我有時候聽到行政官員講盡快啊半年也是盡快一年也是盡快兩年還在研議那是不是我們可以一個月內給委員書面報告一個月喔一個月內好謝謝黃國昌委員質詢部會官員請回座 |