| IVOD_ID |
160131 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160131 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T17:16:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T17:32:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/612fb6649aede23545115ea58127cb114ee85e61fece82c2d9574523edc1765d2cfcc21c557743ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
何欣純 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:16:48 - 17:32:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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我剛剛聽好多好多在野黨的委員他們的質詢都讓人家會覺得好像有故意在帶風向的嫌疑為什麼因為他們的問題常常是一個設下一個前提說好像我們現在面臨美國的高關稅 |
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我們要去對美談判我們就必須要犧牲台灣人民的什麼什麼來換取作為這個談判的籌碼那還要訪問院長會不會犧牲台灣人民的什麼什麼這個好像都是在故意挖坑給院長給我們台灣人民跳而且好像也是故意在帶風向院長我請你再更大聲的講一次 |
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當美國川普在祭出高關稅是為了他自己美國的人民國家利益那我們當然也要大聲的說出我們接下來的一個談判也是基於要對台灣整體的國家人民的利益為最大的原則跟立場去對美談判對不對是我們在昨天院會宣布這個880億的支持方案的最後有一段我提到我們這個整個的目的 |
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就是在爭取國家的利益在維持產業的國際競爭力當然人民的基本權利就涵蓋在裡面我們絕不會忽視這樣的人民的基本權利所以如果是一個坑也不會有人跳下去 |
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所以我是希望如果在野黨現在都對外宣示面對這樣子的一個問題我們應該要不分朝野共同共體時間要共同的來 |
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解決面對這個問題那就真的在這個質詢或者是在日後在我們院會各項的一個會議都應該要用行動來表示支持對不對院長我當然誠摯的希望最快的時間內相關的條例特別條例或是特別預算能夠通過我們就能夠大幅的邁開讓產業安心讓人民安心也讓我們在國際的談判當中它有一個底氣很足 |
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所以剛剛有其他委員也有關心到我們要有底氣那我們有沒有對於談判心理有底我想賴總統說我們的對策第一項就是對美的談判從零關稅談起剛剛卓議院長有回答其他委員說這是一個談判的策略既然有策略那就有不同的因應方式跟我們要做好後續的影響評估 |
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談判的內容是機密不方便公開說但是我只想問卓院長我們對於對美的即將來的談判有沒有心理有底有沒有評估各項談判結果之後的影響跟因應措施 |
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總統所揭示的幾項原則都是我們談判的一個態度那未來會領軍談判的就是鄭麗君副院長她在過去幾個月當中對整個包括大採購的清單包括這個關稅的從低推估到高推估到現在的最高級的最推估各種的對產業的影響衝擊都做了相當多的了解所以我們心裡是有底的 |
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帶領所有的部會跟我們的談判辦公室楊振尼政委我們總談判代表我想再組織一個最專業的團隊那因為局勢一直在改變沒錯到今天早上還在宣布美國新的行政命令所以我們現在沒有辦法在內部就訂好一個像國人要說的狀況況且很多的談判策略也不應該這樣來表示但是爭取最好的時機我們去談這個團隊跟我們的策略跟我們的整套的方式我們都準備的差不多很齊全了 |
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準備了齊全心裡有底而且絕對有信心我認為我們對你有信心所以鄭麗君副院長所領軍的談判團隊一定有信心那接下來要有信心之前就必須要了解狀況 |
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發現問題所以我也非常感謝院長很辛苦我們執政團隊總動員賴總統今天上午到台中卓院長昨天到桃園那我在前幾天也不斷的走訪我台中的很多的產業工協會在聆聽第一線的一個聲音跟意見院長那你昨天去桃園今天來台中你的現在的感想聽到的意見是如何我明天到彰化 |
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後天到高雄跟屏東那針對不同的產業像昨天是工業區那明天就是彰化的彰化的這些這個手藝五金等等 |
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到高雄還有其他的到屏東是農業我們想針對不同的產業總統是到台中的工具機這樣串聯起來我們還會繼續像昨天到工業區他們表示的是他們看到政府的支持政策至少心中有一點點安心說政府有要關心這個政府很關心他們也提出說如果在這個條件當中如果做一些微調會讓大家覺得更做到所以我們回來已經在做調整 |
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所以聽取第一線的聲音很重要請聽之旅真的很重要尤其剛剛院長所提出的各個區域的一個參加座談來聆聽之旅的這些業者大大小小規模不一院長也知道台灣八成以上都是中小微型企業 |
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那如何在這個傳統的產業當中這些中小微型企業能夠深深感受到政府是支持他們的政府是願意帶他們一起來面對問題 解決問題我覺得這個立場跟態度的表示非常的重要所以我才會跟院長說 傾聽之旅一定要繼續而且我希望能夠到月底層的中小微型企業 |
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更需要政府的支持跟傾聽他們的聲音院長再拜託你繼續而且我們在制定支持方案之前就是2月3月我們也跟不同的產業已經有做過這樣的調整這樣的了解了只是那個時候的政策更未明所以大家沒有辦法提出很正確確需要政府協助的我們做一個整個概括性的了解之後我們再提出支持方案那現在就支持方案的內容就個別產業我們再來做細部的微調 |
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所以我才會請院長第一個要繼續第二個我們要針對這些產業中小微型企業他所提出來的問題我們如何要及時有效又快速那這樣子就必須要什麼我們的及時語就是剛剛問院長的 |
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880億的特別預算我們心裡有底嗎什麼時候要提出剛剛院長回答的是說用最快的速度希望立法院朝野都支持能夠來通過那我們期待行政院用最快的速度來提出不知道院長我們何時要提出 |
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原來的計畫是下禮拜四希望特別條例能夠出行政院的院會下禮拜四能夠出行政院的院會現在整個局勢還在改變如果沒有大的障礙我們下禮拜四就出行政院院會那如果現在還有一些狀況或許我們多留一個禮拜但是盡快是至少兩個禮拜我們一定要把他送出行政院院會所以院長是分兩個階段第一個就是兩個禮拜之內我們送出特別預算案來到立法院立法院還要用最快的速度來審查三讀 |
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通過那在我們特別預算送到立法院三讀通過之前那另外一個就是以現有部會的資源來以緩積極的一個這個現在的及時餘那院長那我們現在打算怎麼做 |
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現在如果在特別預算還沒有完全通過之前已經有產業受到目前整個狀況的影響那我們各部會有一些已緩契及的預算或者是我如果可以動用到第二預備金大筆的時候需要這樣做另外我們在救安基金農損基金農發基金跟信保基金四大基金都可以用已緩契及方式來先做以後我們再用公務預算來填補 |
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補回這個相關的基金因為剛剛如容院長所講的如果我算一算的話就算又用最快的速度仍然會比當時候COVID-19的紓困的特別條例還慢那時候是六天就通過我們還是準備下禮拜就出來如果沒有特別的狀況的話 |
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539.238 |
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561.176 |
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所以我也希望院長能夠用最快的速度嘛如果下個禮拜能夠提出那立法院這邊草野都能夠如他們所說的大家共同來支持的話用最快速的這個方式來通過那我會希望再算一算大概一個月內能不能通過這個要讓我們很多的產業中小企業心裡有底啊為什麼 |
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561.616 |
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581.169 |
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特別預算要通過了才能夠執行特別預算還沒通過之前現在各部會現有的資源到底能不能撐住他們我覺得這個第一個要讓我們的民間企業要能夠心裡有底而且讓所有這些產業的勞工心裡有底因為他們是一天如果撐不下去也不行所以 |
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585.151 |
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609.346 |
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如果以現行可以做的各部會盤點現有資源以緩積極那另外還有個什麼我相信剛剛很多委員都有共同關心不料雨天收傘就是我們現在很多的這個產業那現在很多的產業呢他們的第一個新生反應都是資金的融資周轉所以呢我們 |
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610.507 |
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637.848 |
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如何讓銀行不要雨天收傘這件事情很重要那怎麼做得到也很重要因為我也必須要分享一下過去COVID-19的時候不管是在疫情期間或者是後疫情期間很多的企業在紓困的時候面對銀行的雨天收傘的狀況樣態不一但是還是有耳聞所以銀行界 |
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638.508 |
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我們主委去喝咖啡那除了喝咖啡之外呢我們如何能夠呢讓銀行真的來挺撐住我們的產業這很重要耶主委跟您報告一下我們確實我們已經開始啟動這個計畫我們也能夠確保面對這個困境我們讓銀行不會去收銀 |
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我剛剛有聽到你回答其他委員說已經啟動計畫了那可能下個禮拜就要開始跟銀行來喝咖啡但是呢我比較期待的是更堅定的要求銀行端是不是在這個相關的這個湊銀根也好啦申請門檻也好啦門檻條件的認定也好啦還有各項的這個 |
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銀行端可以協助的部分我們金管會我們行政院這邊應該要堅定強力的要求可以嗎這個沒有問題我想我們有一整套的配套措施都會來執行包括我們也會去從銀行端給他一些支持還有就透過很多比如說像我們今年度我們把對中小企業的放款目標就加大400億 |
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就希望增加這個支持還有很多我們對銀行增加支持不要抽銀跟增加他周轉新的彈性就是延展他的這些的展演跟彈性然後靈活彈性及展演這個我覺得主委你應該都知道包括院長在第一線上去跟產業座談的時候應該也都有產業界的代表都會提出這一項需求尤其來自台中我們的工具機工會也好手工具工會也好 |
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更多的這些產業界其實都是在特別條例來幫忙我之前我現在能夠做的希望政府為我做的是不是先從銀行端的這個不要抽銀根開始啊對我想金融業都非常體諒到這次我們整個面對到的困難我想這部分我們會真的會來嚴實來啟動這樣的一個作為來支持產業 |
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第一個就是不要抽銀根讓這個周轉資金彈性然後可以展延第二個我要請院長幫忙的是我們現在在對於特別預算的880億的這個整個的支持方案裡面我看到是以個別產業個別公司我建議應該要從產業鏈的思維來看我很怕像我的選區 |
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台中的屯區很多都是相關產業的加工體系加工廠那有很多是所謂正在申請特定工廠中的這些加工廠那到時候在我們的支持方案裡面我們是不是以整個供應鏈的一個方式來思考作為補助的一個依據跟方法重減 重寬 加快院長可以嗎 |
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重減重寬加快這一定是的那至於什麼單位因為像我們昨天就是跟工業區的各個廠商協會的理事長比較多但他們也代表各自的業界的新生 個別產業的新生但是我們會把它整合起來我們希望用一個比較宏觀的方向不是用單一的個案來做處理 |
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因為比較宏觀的方向原則就是我們的支持方案的所有各項的補助原則裡面應該要思考到大大小小不一的供應鏈裡面的各種加工廠商對單一公司有一個補助如果你是兩家公司有擴大補助 |
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以大代小有4家公司有更大的補助我們會用這個方式來做我這件一定要落實啦好不好這個是我認為這是很重要的要撐住產業很重要那要撐住產業就是要撐住勞工那我知道我們洪聖漢部長也有提出針對 |
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因應這個關稅的衝擊又規劃150億要支持勞工那也在院長的這個880億的特別預算的支持方案裡面也看到要支持勞工但是呢我希望在特別條例裡面應該明確的明定就是保障勞工權益這個應該是OK的對不對目前應該在這個政院在規劃特別條例的過程裡面我們也希望能夠把保障勞工權益的部分其實可以放入 |
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我希望院長要支持在這個衝擊的階段 勞動部有提出希望業者不裁員不減薪那這些支持方案就必須在881的特別方案裡面那在特別條例裡面要明訂那最後90天的黃金光劍期我希望我們要做好萬全的準備精準談判 壯大台灣 化危機為轉機 |