| IVOD_ID |
160128 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160128 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T16:22:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T16:38:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/612fb6649aede235ce2cea8c74f9495b4ee85e61fece82c24e53244e6cb27234ce8271213e3fc7bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:22:59 - 16:38:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席,我們要請院長、經濟部長及農業部長卓院長、經濟部長、農業部長請備選委員好院長及兩位部長好,辛苦你們了 |
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我想說我這邊先直接就開始談我想距離美國要實施對等關稅的日期還有89天我想這暴風雨就在我們的前面我們沒有辦法阻止這個壞事不發生至少我們能夠讓它的影響能夠降到最低 |
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我想在清明年假的時候那時候我們突然得到這個訊息就是美國要對台灣要課這個對等關稅高達32%那民進黨從上到下簡單來說就是我們看動漫的說就是咖啡巴拉啦一下就是呆若木雞這個的反應那國人更是嚇傻 |
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但是後來因為新加坡總理他一個短營其實在國內是瘋傳那時候我們就回過頭來看看到底我們的政府是不是有像新加坡政府一樣知道自己要做什麼而且一個緊急的去面對但是當我們很期待政府有一些比較很好的作為的情況下但是我們卻看到我們今天面對的是他所提出來的東西還是跟以前一樣即使在過去有 |
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府院那個還有一些國安人員等等的人他們不停的出來洗地那在這樣的情況下其實我們得到的答案還是一樣就是再怎麼樣還是一個880億的一個方案並沒有一個新的東西出來能夠讓我們非常的耳目一新那台灣人民也給了民進黨政府7萬9千多個小時來準備 |
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但是我們看到的還是一千零一招就是補貼啦那其實關稅這個牽連非常的廣不會像有些人說那關稅增加關稅跟國民黨什麼關係不會有人這樣子這個是很奇怪的一個論點所以我們看深人仿知的那個董事長他在接受那個記者詢問的時候他就有講他說這一次這個所謂的政府的這個方案其實對於傳產根本沒有幫助 |
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而且這是一個借錢將來還是得還沒有訂單公司還是走不下去所以訂單是企業能夠活下去的唯一一個方式有健全的市場才會有穩定的訂單我想之前蔡英文總統在競選連任的時候她已經一直不停的吹捧跟美國之間的良好關係甚至講了一副好像我們的FTA快要簽了但是這麼多年過去了我們什麼也都沒有簽 |
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那賴總統在上任的時候也一直說他跟美國的關係非常的好但是呢到今天我們換到的是一個對等關稅高達32%所以 |
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我今天是想要請教三個問題想跟院長以及兩位部長確認一下我們先請經濟部長回答一下我三個問題第一個問題是2月14號賴清德總統在召開國安會議的時候他有提出了一個全球半導體民主供應鏈夥伴倡議請問這個倡議我們可以阻止什麼以及 |
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減少影響什麼這是我第一個問題那如果您要抄可以抄第二個問題3月6號台積電的董事長魏哲嘉在總統府跟我們的總統召開記者會他說明對美投資千億美元的這個過程 |
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總統特別強調沒有來自於美國的壓力在台積電赴美投資的這個行為中但是後來川普卻打臉他說當初跟台積電說如果不來我要收你百分之百的關稅所以顯然我們的政府不是全然沒有掌握清楚他就是選擇性的在隱匿某一些事情所以本席要再確認一件事情就是到底媒體報導說台積電跟Intel這個要聯手 |
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這個是真還是假到底部長有沒有掌握這個訊息那第三個就是4月9號部長你曾經在經濟委員會說聯電跟全球第五大晶圓代工廠美商格羅方德合併美聯電這個傳聞是不可能的那請問部長您真的有掌握百分之百不可能變成美聯電嗎請部長說明這三個問題報告委員基本上對於這種路邊社的傳聞 |
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我們是不予評論我用比較理智的分析它是不可能的跟委員報告就是這個樣子不管是Global Foundries或者是Intel的事情這個都是所謂的傳聞我為什麼跟你講我可以決定說它不可能 |
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所以可能要去投資必須要經過我們的投選會剛我們講的除了這個之外還有一些全球半導體民主供應鏈的夥伴倡議這個東西到底可以阻止什麼?全球半導體因為台灣最大的公司就是台積電 |
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那我們在台灣台積電為什麼會選擇台積電張忠謀董事長曾經講過他選擇台灣是因為他萬一有一些事情要支援的時候兩個小時就可以到他的這個場域任何一個場北部中部南部他的供應鏈要去服務他的場也是兩個小時就可以到所以我們希望讓全球半導體這個領域裡面的供應鏈 |
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這個供應鏈在所有的民主聯盟裡面因為為什麼美國一直認為說我們對這個出國管制上面要再多努力因為我們在台灣離這個中國比較近所以有一些業者他們可能轉口到新加坡或轉口到馬來西亞進到中國這個是美國所扛剩的 |
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所以我們為了要保持我們在半島嶺領先的位置所以供應鏈一定要留在台灣還有可以減少影響什麼那我們聽不到我想說這個政策的宣講我看就算了我就不再多請教您了其實我自己看來總統在國安會議的時候會提到說要提出這個夥伴的倡議 |
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這個很顯然我們就可以合理的懷疑啊其實似乎早就知道這個我們的半導體供應鏈似乎可能有外移的這個風險否則怎麼會在國安會議去提這個我想說你們在面對這次半導體的問題就找一個零分的券不是刻意概提不行就是你們根本不知道怎麼去回答這個問題 |
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好那另外我再請教一下就是說之前經濟部有提出一個就是美國如果提高關稅對我們個別產業評估跟影響裡面有提到半導體還有網通業有14大產業但是我看過那個資料裡面講的 |
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大部分都是持續評估中或是將持續觀察結果我們這次以為說這次對等關稅會有一個很嚴謹的準備結果透過柯總召我們知道原來我們的預測竟然是極大的失準那再來呢我們也沒有看到政府機關對於這個關稅的影響我再請你回答 |
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我們這個是動態的評估啦動態的評估沒有辦法在動態進行過程中就可以知道那個final是什麼再來美國貿易代表組其實有提到就是2025年他們對台灣認為有三大的貿易壁壘我想時間的關係我就提供數據給你們好了我想因為每次我問東你們就答西 |
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我想經濟部長你昨天在委員會的諮詢有提到如果我們立刻降汽車的關稅這可能會有十多萬的從業人員會大量的失業那之前也有立委包括民黨立委有提到希望調降汽車的關稅但是呢 |
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經濟部的回應是說這樣會衝擊會讓國家的稅收損失會到523億到600億甚至這個計算還沒有加入上游的一些供應鏈另外車輛公會的評估如果國產廠商關閉造成零組件的廠商外移的話這個產值會到847億 |
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那從業人員大概是8.26萬人所以我想光是汽車業損失就847.74億那行政院這個880億不知道是怎麼來的請問一下我想請問你們這880億是自己估算出來還是真的有看我沒有估這個請問你引述的這些資料是從哪裡得到的 |
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沒關係 因為你們就有一些對外的新聞稿裡面新聞的部分 委員你是不是新聞的部分你如果是這樣子的話可以跟我們直接要那沒關係 我想實際的關係啦我可能也沒有辦法再聽你們這樣慢慢說啦另外我再請教一下就是說因為賴總統他有說我們這一次我們應對的方式就是加大採購零關稅以及過去設廠嘛 |
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其實就這三招啊其實這三招每一招其實對台灣的傷害都很重委員您在院內的言論也許可以不負責但是你不可以不求證另外我想再提一下稻米的部分我也再說明一下因為你們一直在強調零關稅我想零關稅對農業的傷害很重剛剛幾個委員都有提到這個部分 |
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從零關稅開始談當然我們非常期望關稅越低越好但是我想說不管是從零關稅開始談還是低關稅對於我們的農業一定會有某程度的影響那我自己看了一下稻米的部分因為我看了稻作協會的前理事長陳彥青他有說到水稻產業鏈很龐大 |
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那個央苗啦到農機啦到肥料啦農藥等等加工運輸他說從業人員大概至少30萬那如果美國他現在進口的稻米我大概看了一下資料他說平均的售價大概是每公斤大概30元可是我們台灣的產米大概50元那這樣子會不會造成將來在購買米的時候大家都挑便宜我跟委員報告現在目前我們在配額內的64000噸裡面是零關稅的 |
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第二個部分就是零關稅並不一定是不好的如果它對台灣的產業是有利的那我們一定爭取零關稅像黃小玉我們需要這些飼料的話我們都希望零關稅但是如果說我們產業是很有競爭力的部分我們就不希望有太高的關稅你們很多人講的嘛 |
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被加重相對應關稅到三級對台灣不見得是壞事這個是貴黨有蠻多人都講過這句話那我想時間的關係我想還有雞肉牛奶等等都有很多問題我想我就不再多說了不管怎麼樣就是我覺得我相信我們台灣還是能夠挺過 |
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一波一波的危機啦但是前提是政府一定要做好準備因為過去的時代裡面我最近看了很多一些台灣的一些過去的傳記在過去的時代裡面其實我們面臨過如果繼續用這種不實的數據我們的危機也會減少都會越來越被誤會這些都是考驗台灣人的韌性還有耐力不能這個考驗法這種考驗法太殘酷了你這樣考驗台灣人的韌性太殘酷了 |
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您是米朗大哥其實我以前是非常的尊重尊敬您的現在也是尊敬那1973年其實那個時候其實我們經歷過石油危機那個部長你知不知道當時的經濟部長是誰 |
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那時候經濟部長叫做孫運璿他在面對石油危機的時候他的處理模式就是他趕快想辦法問了一下駐沙烏地阿拉伯的大使館誰才受國王的信任那大使館跟他說當時的秘書長很受信任所以孫運璿他趕快就做功課然後去找當時曾經來台灣拜訪過也是他的朋友的那個計畫部長還有那個工商部長透過他們去找到這個秘書長然後來去 |
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列起管道然後來跟國防見面委員這個你也是事後才知道的當時你也沒有辦法知道啊當時的努力你也沒有辦法知道啊等等跟沙烏地阿拉伯的合作讓他們對我們有非常好的好感那當然他對外還說其實台灣是他們的朋友那讓台灣後來他也是在那個先運跟進運之外就沒有列入先運跟進運 |
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那他回到國內其實當時物價一直在飆漲因為我看到那個書裡面有人提到說一個鞋廠的老闆說他裝鞋的盒子早裝完價格都不一樣所以他也有一連串這個意志物價通膨等等的做法那我想那個孫逸璇這是前院長 |
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以前說過說他六個孩子有四個是跟太太生的另外兩個台電跟公園院我們都知道公園院他所孕育出來的機體電路王國在這一次事情之後也許就悄悄的就被送走了那當然 |
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我想這個是我們心裡難過的一件事我們都知道你難過什麼事五十幾年以後就會被送走我們沒有請你回答我來化解你的難過你一直難過下去大家都不舒服我絕對不是聽聽謊言就可以解決我心中不難過身為法律人你這樣的講話我是在很難溝通如果你在這樣我要請主席停止時間 |
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我覺得院長兩位部長我還是很尊敬你們都是國家的棟樑這個我絕對不會否認那我想 |
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像我們常講一句話,責任日語言典型在素行這文天祥、鄭氣歌這兩句話其實都會讓我們去想想前人包括民進黨的前輩們其實對我們的影響他們的風骨以及他們對國家的貢獻所以我才踏入政界一年啦但是我這一年剛好在政治這個核心裡面看到國家的一些趨勢啦,一些困境那我想,其實我們還是要團結啦我希望說能夠放下鬥爭,停止罷免 |
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然後你想想前人吧 想想人民吧我覺得我們台灣需要是大團結不是大罷免我們不要在同胞裡面找敵人因為我們其實是戰友我們對台灣我們兩個是戰友而不是敵人我覺得我還是蠻希望院長能夠聽聽我這個晚輩的一句話團結吧 團結吧 團結吧 |
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好 謝謝 |