| IVOD_ID |
160127 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160127 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T16:07:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T16:22:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/612fb6649aede2356d4c8d39a250affc4ee85e61fece82c24e53244e6cb2723414b1ada5b04794185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:07:17 - 16:22:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請行政院卓院長請卓院長背書卓院好卓院長 辛苦了不會 大家都辛苦了天有不適風雲 能有旦夕後福國家一定會面臨到相對的挑戰 對不對 |
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也有似乎會變成危機危機是轉機好的政府要了解危機的所在要能提出有效的方法所以這一次的川普對的關稅我想事出必有因就是貿易失衡貿易失衡他的整個經濟會受到影響他的就業機會受到影響所以他用很多的方式包括關稅來平衡他的貿易的失衡對不對 |
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所以它是一個任何的對外經貿政策它的核心決定是現實主義現在不存在理想主義啦你同意嗎? |
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了解現實主義的核心是什麼?就國家利益你要達成國家利益每個領導者有他不同的思維跟做法川普的思維 他是第二任了 對不對他從第一任到第二任他的思政邏輯是他是有常態性的變動或變動性的常態化 |
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他要營造什麼 不曉得他在想什麼沒有人可以知道他在想什麼 知道最後一刻他要營造什麼 他要營造天威難測 |
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因為美國是當前最強的國家嘛 對不對所以他透過跟所有的主要貿易國利用關稅的方式但我認為很多都是演習從4月2號他發布行政命令從4月5號他公布主要的貿易順沙國還有額外科徵11%到50%的稅率4月9號他又說暫緩90天 對不對 |
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唯一執行上路是哪一個國家唯一執行關稅有上路是哪一個國家中國啊125%對不對今天又挑戰了這個全球貿易戰它是劍指中國其他的我覺得只是貿易戰的一演習90天 本來台灣是初步核定32 |
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他核定的標準大概很清楚就是我們對美的貿易順差他希望透過關稅來平衡對台灣台美的貿易的這個失衡狀況所以這種情況之下未來90天是非常非常的關鍵可操之在己的部分 院長 |
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我認為可操是在我們政府可以取決的繼續來強化台灣農工產業的國際競爭力另外繼續均衡不是台灣而已要均衡全球的貿易市場加強全球的貿易行銷第三個繼續要全面盤點對當前農工產品的關稅的稅率 |
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沒有錯吧然後要繼續強化政府國際經貿談判的能力跟人力這是可操縱在我們部分那另外當然我要想請教一些比較具體的問題好這個最壞的狀況90天之後他用32%的這個稅率來實施我們當然不希望這種情況最壞的scenario是這樣子 |
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那我們目前穩定的措施有20項的這個措施用881對不對那您的說法是用各部會用相關的預算來移緩季節那會不會派到相關政策的推動我是說在特別條例特別預算還沒有 |
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完全通過之前 目前已經產生的產業界的任何的傷害你的意思是說880億 880億在還沒有特別預算通過之前先用移緩季節的方式部會內部的預算移緩季節到最後還是要用特別預算來通過這880億因為這規模相當龐大另外10年之內你要對美的採購金額那要請經濟部郭部長 |
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經濟部郭部長請郭部長部長的說法是10年之內要2000億美金對不對大概就是6.5兆的規模那一年是多少一年是6500億對美國採購這已經是政府的政策嗎 |
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我們從去年開始就認為把美國當作一個國際市場那我們能夠對美國增加採購也是基於國家各種的需求跟產業的需求所以去年就開始做一些清單的盤整 |
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所以未來十年會執行每年6500億對比的採購嗎這是經濟部跟民間跟我們國營事業盤整出來的一個結果目前的這是我們的意向嘛 對不對我作為一個國營我要監督這個預算的執行跟編列嘛所以我們6500億怎麼來呢 |
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但是政府跟國營事業對美國的採購的規劃金額6500億我6500億請教部長6500億裁員在哪裡呢基本上還是如果是我們的企業嘛就企業就買進來賣的所以他當然是有裁員不是你說的是政府跟國營事業加強對美國包括能源包括這個軍售這些要花這個2000億美金 |
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我們所盤點出來的是國營企業跟相關的周邊的企業他的需求你沒有淘到民間喔 我很注意看你主持人說話民間的我們還沒有算啊只有政府跟國營企業要投兩千億美金在未來十年十年啊因為十年一年是六千五百億耶這規模很大不是每一年平均的嘛 |
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我們買LNG回來他會再賣出去所以這個基金是滾動的我們這個其實都有盤點過我們跟美國買東西不一定要自己用因為我不會大爆你 |
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我相信美國看到這個數字一定會很開心嘛那我站在一個這個國會議員我會優先說裁員夠不夠另外這個包括外交部這個林部長也包括這個談判辦談判辦今天是楊談判總代表就是跟美國要磋商或談判已經掛號 掛號是什麼意思 |
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就是在75個國家是貿易代表署還是跟他們具體哪一個單位沒有沒有就在75個國家裡面的優先的這個國家的排序掛號要有長的當然不是那種形式上的掛號只是我們接觸的過程當中已經得到這樣的訊息我們可以在優先的國家裡面來談判是跟哪一個單位在掛號是白宮的幕僚內閣還是國際貿易代表署 |
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我跟委員說明我們駐美代表處都有跟美國政府有聯繫也表達了不只是公開的總統的談話或者是我們經貿談判辦公室希望跟他們建立談判的管道也就雙邊關心的議題這都有在交換意見 |
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所以未來90天一定會有具體的談判的單位具體的談判的時程會有談判的計畫會有談判的成果對,就是在協調中接下來我要請教一下這個央行楊總裁另外這個央行陳總裁跟央行的這個楊總裁跟這個金管會彭主委金管會彭主委預備請 |
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時間過得很快我想請教一下院長跟總裁我們把美債作為談判的籌碼談判小組裡面有沒有包括央行就有了解是沒有您的建議是說美債作為談判的籌碼 |
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是一個可以思考是你贊成能不能跟你說得更清楚你是要買新的美債持高它的持股的水位還是要用去現有的美債去換它未來更多的無息的美債沒有 |
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那個委員在質詢我的時候,他只是說我們持有美債,那因為我們持有美債的時候呢,說實在的是因為美國逆差,美國逆差的時候呢,我們去購買它的美債呢,是可以降低它的融資成本。 |
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那如果說從這個觀點來看的話我們也是對他有貢獻的那我們要怎麼做我們拒絕做所以他就是說他質詢我的時候我就說這個可以喔這個idea也是很好我只是這麼說而已 |
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所以沒有具體內容具體內容就是說我們可以跟他說因為我們持有他的美債數量也蠻龐大的我們大概80%以上都是持有美國債券是談判的籌碼還是談判的手段那手段跟籌碼大概是差不多吧 |
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我以為說有沒有新的做法因為你贊成嘛這個是idea而已啦他做這樣的一個質詢的時候我認為就是說他的這個好像也是可以啊那這個是一個idea嘛那你要怎麼給這個談判小組一個建議怎麼善用美在這個工具我看看如果說他們覺得就是說這個如果說這個是值得去談判的時候那我們可以提供我們的數據給他 |
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好 謝謝楊總裁金管會的部分怎麼樣落實執行金融知識產業方案彭主委你大概提出幾個包括就有貸款的展言強化信保基金的能量這些我想這個我都了解你要怎麼具體落實相關的銀行能夠確實達到你的政策的目標 |
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是 報告委員我想我們大概其實我們在過去最近一次經驗就是我們在疫情時候相關的措施那我們在下禮拜我們大概就會邀集銀行來針對這部分針對這一次的這個方案怎麼樣去做延展主委我提醒您特別是中小微企業因為我的選區你知道金屬 鉤 鑒 鋼鐵都是中小型企業傳統產業他們有跟我澄清變成一個平台 |
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包括貸款的展延或者是融資的問題我也只能請你們多幫忙所以這部分你要有更多的窗口讓他們即時能夠找到主管機關能夠解決他們的問題 |
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這也是我們接下來努力的方向我想這部分我們已經會立刻展開行動然後再跟銀行這邊 銀行公會這邊謝謝來執行這項工作謝謝彭主委 謝謝楊總裁另外就是說我們加強對美國的採購國防預算GDP整體我們目標是3美國相關的主管人員也認為說應該跟美國一樣到3.4院長你認為到3.4有沒有困難 |
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我們基於自己國家財政能力的評估以及我們現在需要的國防力量跟我們能夠採購的對象項目我們認為如果在今年這個年度依照總統所說的 往3%的目標來前進的話我們是足以來前進 也是國家最需要的目標就是到3% 下一屆到3.4%另外就是說除了軟體硬體 |
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除了軍事的設備之外 相當的軍事服務的採購這個部分能不能再講話軍事服務的採購我希望國防預算的定義啊他應該也不是那麼侷限比方說像有些國家包括美國他把退伍 |
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軍人的一些福利都放下去那軍事服務的軍事的服務項目我認為這個也應該是廣泛計算在裡面那如果是連動性很強的我想我們會盡力爭取就整個我提供一個訊息就是說我們跟美國的軍事的採購有兩種管道一個是商售DCS 一個是軍售FMS 對不對 |
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軍售是不包括對美採購的金額裡面商售是可以 對不對所以未來我們不需要軍售是不是可以改成商售比如說它不是尖端或者是機敏性的軍事設備不是F-35類似或者是可以軍民共用或者我們已經有在地的國防業者國防產業也是信賴產業 對不對我們很多包括我選舉的漢翔也是國營企業 |
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所以有很多優質的廠商我是覺得如果用商售的管道所以這部分我可能要請院長去注意一下可以用商售的就這樣用商售容許這個部分我們將來在談的過程當中我們一一來清點把它的性質種類品項分清楚我了解很多軍方各軍種他們的本位主義說他還是希望用軍售 |
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我不曉得什麼原因啦這個他們可能有他們的看法但是為了平衡對美國貿易的這個順差那個你從軍售可以軍售把它轉成商售那當然是好的一個途徑嘛這個我們放心政府是一體的國家的利益是唯一的我們用這個方向來想好最後30秒就是投資台灣啦投資台灣三大方案那個從2019開始到2021然後要繼續延三年到2020年底嘛那現在我們把這個 |
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資格把他放到全球的台商對不對全球台商都可以回來然後給他更多的這些優惠那投資台灣三大方案現在我看到所有網站裡面都沒有更新資料啊喔 對不起那我們要求馬上來做是不是很具體讓這些全球台商想要回來的能夠知道政府新的內容我都看不到耶主要都看不到好 謝謝謝謝院長辛苦了好 謝謝邱委員謝謝卓院長 |