| IVOD_ID |
160125 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160125 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-11T15:34:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-11T15:50:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/612fb6649aede23524ad8bcc081d526c4ee85e61fece82c24aafdbe7f0d479b90911e5930497b7265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:34:38 - 15:50:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第7次會議（事由：一、覆議案之處理事項（4月11日上午）。二、行政院院長提出針對美國關稅政策因應作為專案報告並備質詢（4月11日下午）。三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢（4月15日）。四、4月11日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝院長那我們是不是有請我們行政院我們卓院長那以及我們經濟部郭部長跟農業部我們陳部長麻煩再請行政院長卓院長備詢農業部經濟部請備詢 |
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蔡委員好院長好院長那我想從親民的廉價基本上大家對於川普所發布的這個對等關稅 |
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全世界當然台灣也沒有在例外多在關注這件事所以從他宣布對等關稅後他宣布了這一個公式到目前為止這個公式還是讓大家陷在一片迷惑之中他用台灣可能對於美國的出鈔然後除以這個貿易額所以有一個64的數字然後再把它除以2然後變成32就被台灣課了32%的關稅 |
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那這個32%的關稅我們當然會跟鄰近的國家開始比較我們就看到了日本是24 韓國是25 越南46 柬埔寨49那甚至新加坡相對比較低10%所以這件事情當然會讓整個產業 哇這個真的大家非常的擔心 會恐慌 |
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所以股市會連續的跌停我覺得這種擔心的心情而且在於整個產業從禮拜一就接受了美國很多的訂單就有人說這樣東西先暫緩就等於把我們拖累了拖累就是賣過你說這三十二%人民價格要賺錢所以這個產業界現在都陷入了一片恐慌之中然後在四月九號 |
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4月9號的時候又另外宣布了說原來這個關稅可以暫緩90天然後就是以10%當然這個10%對於現在的很多產業來說這個稅率也是有提高但是跟32當然很大的差異所以現在 |
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90天就是黃金的90天我們就要趕快加速來談判然後來處理後續整個這個90天裡面我們能不能爭取到更好的關稅那或者是對於台灣包括農產包括我們的水產品的一個出口能不能有相對應的一個保障這些事好多事要做所以我想先請教教院長那整體上你們的看法是怎樣的談判的過程 |
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就是現在90天當中我們當然爭取最好的時機盡快進行談判那目前我們已經總統也對外說了我們已經在這個優先名單的國家當中所以談判的準備過程從過去到現在府院以及國安會外交部以及經濟部及經貿工作小組台美經貿專案小組都已經還有經貿辦公室都已經通力合作準備很多的資料 |
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相對應我們準備在正式可以啟動的那個時候就把所有的資料完整的向美國提出我們有整套的想法包括採購貿易等等還有我們排除這個非關稅貿易障礙等等的努力以前到現在所做的以及現在雙方對等關係能夠持續在做的都在這個談判的策略內容當中 |
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所以我想院長從你剛剛的專案報告跟你剛剛的回答你對接下來我們要開始展開對美國的這樣的談判你是充滿著你要替國家爭取最大的一個建設所以你們一定會做好最大的努力 |
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不到最後一刻一定都不會放棄對不對我們當然不會放棄爭取國家最大的利益因為台灣我們有很好的經濟體質產業結構鏈而且台灣對世界來講也是在產業供應鏈上重要的地位台灣不容許發生任何的變動當然 守護我們的產業非常重要但是我是很遺憾啦我從這一個禮拜我看到了不團結的台灣 |
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台灣面對這樣的一個關稅,美國對等關稅這樣的一個大危機的時候我們卻看到國內的在野黨不管是藍不管是白,不斷的唱衰台灣我給大家放一個影片這剛才在我前陣子 |
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客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有?從現在12點,今天的12點開始生效?對嘛,我剛剛在下面聽有委員問你說要爭取要延緩生效,你還說你會盡量努力,我坐在下面聽完全聽不懂 |
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這樣而已 十八秒啦他就是會笑話啦我的質詢是 我跟我們的郭部長說我們就是要去請署啊既然我們賴總統已經說出我們從零關稅開始談判那就要爭取延緩嘛結果他在質詢的時候 他在笑在激笑說已經開始了 你看民進黨談判無力那甚至看到了國民黨副總統候選人 |
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還在那邊講說要停止對美國的投資然後更多的國民黨立委跳出來說要對美國跟中國一樣採取報復性的一個關稅那我覺得這樣的一個心態就是要跟台灣、台牛做行動一樣到目前為止中國面對的美國關稅不是125%是145% |
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那甚至我們還看到了川普除了145%以外他還說你從中國小兒包裹的關稅小兒包裹就是那些小型的可能要網購的東西有30% 要求來90%我都有看到 今天就一個數字叫做120%所以他的小兒包裹不只中國連包括香港小兒包裹的家裡的到美國的也要扣120% |
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所以這對於這個中國面對的戰的一個他們要跟美國要對抗的一個結果台灣怎麼可以跟中國走一樣的路這件事情非常的嚴重所以我再次呼籲院長我們在談判的時候我們要站在台灣的基礎的一個立場我們如同賴總統所說的我們跟美國是民主夥伴我們應該要好好去談我們跟美國在產業上的一個互補我們跟美國很多產業我們可以互相幫忙但是 |
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如何守護好對於我們的產業的一個完整性這個是我們一定要堅持的沒有錯吧 |
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好 謝謝剛剛部長的那段答話我覺得態度非常正確就是在進行談判跟事先的溝通當中爭取不到最後關頭絕不放棄爭取平等互惠不到最後關頭也絕不放棄平等互惠那我們在台灣我們堅持我們就是台灣隊台灣就是世界隊就不會是中國隊我們對我們的席產地跟違規轉運等等的問題將來我們已經大力的來查緝事前事中事後一定嚴防這些事情讓全世界知道 |
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臺灣就是臺灣 院長你說的重點嘛 稀產地啦所以現在稀產地這件事就是我們事實上看得到這一次的關稅雖然川普他花都花很快 可是我發現他還是一套邏輯你看看關稅課最重的包括柬埔寨49 包括越南46包括泰國的39 我們臺灣32也是重 |
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這中間都有帶有這幾個國家都是高度會被中國用貿易來影響也就是這些國家都很容易變成中國席產地的一個基地所以這幾個國家放棄了就不可以所以我們現在還看到國民黨陳玉珍的離島建設條例 |
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18條之一他為了便利大陸人民資金物品商品進出離島自由貿易示範區就是他的金門然後要鬆綁相關規定然後這些相關規定由金門縣政府來定義 |
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只給行政院中央備查就是他們要完全鬆綁相關的規定然後讓金門一咬爪變成我們台灣中國要把商品來台灣悉產地的後門會不會變這樣我們對於人流物流金流技術等等我們會嚴加的防範 |
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針對國家安全、經濟安全的威脅,我們都要列為將來嚴格控管尤其剛剛習產地未來經濟部一定是在這方面執行者,是不是讓郭部長能夠來說明報告委員,我想經濟部的態度是這樣子對於這個不當轉運的貨物,我們有五項措施第一個,加強對中國貨品進口台灣以及出口美國的監測 |
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第二個 加強對業者的宣導我們先宣導 讓他們知道那接下來建立違規業者的名單把它List up 然後不斷地去監測第四個 他如果再犯我們將採法重研第五個 我們現在在進行的有很多是運用反傾銷的措施然後我們充分地去調查防止中國到台灣來吸產地 |
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所以重點台灣如何嚴懲現在在國內有可能涉及到這個棲產地的這些企業就防止投機的企業第二個關於像這樣的離島建設條例我覺得我們一定要盯緊不能讓他通過那我想院長你在前陣子我們處理了一個來自中國的一個配偶一個叫雅雅雅雅被離開台灣的時候他講了一句話 |
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他說他要被推到萬劫不復的深淵這讓我想到 我就想說這一深淵日本就有一個漫畫叫做來自深淵 |
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這個來自深淵還有幾個定義意思是你去深淵裡面你就受到深淵的詛咒你每要離開深淵十公尺往上升十公尺你就會受到各種不適應你到了第六層深淵的詛咒會讓你變成了叫做深海或者叫做慘末這個叫什麼慘聚周末這個來自深淵這個意思就是說 |
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他有他的漫畫,他是一個叫土比之人的漫畫但是當雅雅說他會被推到深淵,中國就是深淵你一旦跟中國過了太久,你就會被他綁住像現在很多台商,他的資金跑不出來 |
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像很多我們台灣的技術被中國拿去 他們用海盜版的國家傳播 大家剪輯過 我們台灣的技術優勢沒有了所以這個 我覺得這個都帶有很大的一些意涵就是我們台灣要小心我們就千萬我們的經濟 不可以去跟中國白做壞這個我想是很清楚的所以當國民黨在面對美國關稅的時候他不斷的在嘲諷我們政府之外他還推了幾個聲明 其中有一個叫做開放入客 |
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我想要請教院長 到底開放入客跟美國跟我們課這個關稅以及現在的關稅談判有什麼關係這有什麼關聯嗎請教院長 因為我真的不知道這是長期以來我們在產業的經營上對中方過多依賴造成的一個結果但這幾年來我們認為雖然我們的觀光業者還是非常的辛苦但來自於天災地變的影響很大我們希望引進世界更多國家的國際友人來到台灣 |
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應該把台灣建設好台灣就成為一個吸收國際觀光旅遊的一個地方就是把市場放在這個台灣是歡迎全世界來嘛所以這要來台灣旅遊都很棒但是我們的市場我們自己要守護住嘛院長你剛剛講的很有道理啦所以我覺得說面對現在我們在談判的這個90天那我想要具體跟院長提出兩個建議在面對談判的時候我們國內可以做什麼第一個就是我剛剛有講現在香港 |
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基本上美國對於香港已經不把他視為一個獨立的特區所以美國在於他的行政命令13936號行政命令他們說香港貨品不再獲得優惠的關稅以及香港在貿易出口的一個管制簽證要比照中國那原本香港製造叫做Make in Hong Kong現在都必須標誌為Make in China |
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那我想要跟部長說,現在我們台灣在面對香港製的商品的時候,一樣是make in Hong Kong,不是make in China。所以我覺得已經到了一個關鍵的時間點,就是檢討我們現在香港澳門的一個特殊條例的時刻了。 |
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那如果我們要處理這個港澳條例在處理香港的身份的時候難免會涉及到說人權畢竟很多香港的朋友們他們也不希望當中國人所以我們台灣是利用港澳條例給他們一些特殊的一些通關特殊的渠道但是咧 |
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如果像港澳條例31條關於香港人可以准用外國人投資跟結會的規定或者是港澳條例第35條這個港澳的貿易得以直接為之就是剛才我說的Make in 香港不是Make in China這兩條都要停止 |
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所以我具體跟院長建議說依據港澳條例60條如果發生特殊的一個情況危害台灣地區的安全的時候行政院可以依這個60條停止本條例的一部分或者全部分停止之後再送給立法院來做追論 |
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那我想這個追認也是給現在的藍白一個機會到底他還要繼續經濟跟中國綁在一起還是我們要對外宣示台灣不能變成中國習產地的基地尤其他們都透過香港的投資來到台灣這件事應該要杜絕了好不好院長 |
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我尊重委員用這樣的方式在大院裡面取得協調的共識我也會要陸委會朝這個方向來做研議因為港澳問題它不能再用它的歷史因素來考量了它有它現在港澳跟中國之間跟過去不同的政治經濟地位的問題所以我們必須用現狀來考量據國家安全 經濟安全我希望香港跟我們的貿易不能變成一個劃外之地法的劃外之地 |
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那第二個我的一個建議因為我們接下來要跟美國擴大投資我們既然要擴大投資我們投資能源是一個很好的選項所以我們現在也有在阿拉斯加要跟美國共同開產能源我認為這件事情我們現在應該要提出特別預算那看看藍白要不要支持這個法案他們到底在台灣遇到危機的時候我們台灣遇到需要全國團結的時候藍白要讓我們站在一起還是他要繼續的唱衰台灣抵制台灣 |
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好 謝謝蔡 |