| IVOD_ID |
160057 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160057 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-10T10:07:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-10T10:19:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/127fafa562dc971225125dd89b5522c839fb4699fde5326172c2a43b2ce79c500f6f7234e961ca575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:07:48 - 10:19:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「川普對等關稅政策實施，對我國股匯市、經濟成長、物價、房市等項所造成之衝擊與因應措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查「納稅者權利保護法」4案：
(一)本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「納稅者權利保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)本院委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第四條條文修正草案」案。
(三)本院委員林思銘等20人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第七條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(四)本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查「加值型及非加值型營業稅法」9案：
(一) 本院委員鍾佳濱等18人、委員鍾佳濱等23人、委員郭國文等17人、委員吳沛憶等18人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法部分條文修正草案」等4案。【本院委員吳沛憶等18人提案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
(二) 本院委員陳超明等18人、委員邱志偉等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第八條條文修正草案」等2案。
(三) 本院委員賴士葆等25人、委員顏寬恒等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第十三條條文修正草案」等2案。
(四) 本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。） |
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主席有請彭族偉、莊部長、楊總裁、經濟部次長以及農業部次長 |
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主委好 總裁好 大家好我先請教一下莊部長莊部長你也知道我在媒體上有一些發言就是五千億的安定基金到底夠不夠原來的這個照我們的市值大概8.1兆大概佔比大概6.1現在73.6兆的情況底下的佔比剩下0.67那國安基金已經 |
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預計已經要進去了 雖然使用率沒有那麼高但是金額多一點 那總會大家比較安心嘛主要是安定安心嘛 對不對不一定要用到足嘛請問一下你這五千億用了多少了委員報告 五千億裡面當然有兩千億我知道 這我都知道 兩千三百我都知道你就不用講那個我們知道的common sense好不好這現在用了多少 |
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現在用的多 這次啊 這個部份執行秘書來做我不會知道在國安基金裡面我只是其中的一個委員那你總是要知道 你要掌握狀況吧 |
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對啊 他執行秘書也是 你是他的上司不是嗎那我上次還問你說呢 是不是要增加你也是說 要需要進行合理的評估嘛 對不對那請問一下評估了沒有 |
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我們已經有做評估了交代了沒有那結果呢評估呢評估的結果那我們覺得在適當的時機也許會做處理吧適當的時機也許會再做調整所以現在這麼嚴重還不是適當的時機今天股市已經回彈了今天是今天剛剛楊總才跟你講說還不確定不穩定嘛那可以一下子半夜跟你講說延90天搞不好後天跟你講搞不好又變縮短成40天當然變動性蠻大的 |
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川普就像天氣一樣變來變去難以琢磨比女人還女人對不起不好意思沒有什麼意思抱歉抱歉所以這種情況你難以預測川普天氣或許還可以預測 |
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好 那我現在問你嘛你不變硬萬變嘛好 我現在問啊基本上你怕非理性的崩盤的情況底下非理性的崩盤的情況底下你國安精進是適時的去做多好 那彭主委彭主委你的限空令基本上是防阻過度的放空嘛那一個限空的情況底下一個要做多的情況底下你們彼此有沒有一個協調機制請問你其實我們在 |
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資本市場的管理部分涉及到這種重大事件的時候我們當然跟各個部會之間都保持密切的溝通但是我們有各自各的職場密切的溝通的情況底下有去掌握同步要如何讓它恢復到理性跟基本面才是目標嘛當然回復到正常的市場機制是我們在金融市場監理一個最重要的目標就是這個最重要嘛所以說你才會有一個限空它才會有國安基金進場嘛那兩邊的協調你們是怎麼協調法 |
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這當然跟委員報告其實這部分因為其實有各種狀況不同因為每次的情形看起來非常類似但是都很大的不同像今天已經漲到這種情況底下那我就問你一件事嘛原來的先空令是不是到明天結束我們的暫行措施我們上次宣布到五天那我就請教你啊下禮拜還會不會有我們會在星期六的下午宣布會不會在下午幾點 |
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因為下午我們要先看國際的這個狀況因為我們有那個時間的落差在整個國際的盤勢的情況底下來做一個下午的宣布來看看下個禮拜是不是要延長這個限空令是的 我們現在是這樣預計的預計嘛 目前這樣預計好 那個兩位稍微那個主委你先請回謝謝 |
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我先請教一下總裁還有包括其他的部會總裁我試著去看川普的這一種連環計是不是這樣子你站在總體經濟來說第一個先關稅戰逼著你來我這邊設廠減少貿易之間的一個逆差 |
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第二個呢 他一來設廠的話 製造業就可以復興復興之後呢 而且同時打擊中國席產地 創造他的就業機會第三呢 採取美元貶值的方式 來打擊外匯的操縱國然後第四個呢 賺取外匯 然後減少國債把短債變成長債 有沒有可能是這種套路啊 |
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我想Step 1就是說關稅戰這個我覺得是邏輯上是可以的是對的那製造業復興這個也是對的不過美國要製造業除非就是說是重點式的復興它不可能就是全面復興因為人力什麼的都不大一樣只要在川普的最後選區復興就可以但美元貶值拼出口這個也不見得會因為 |
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匯率也不是說他要讓他貶值就貶值不是喔對這麼有把握對這個除非就是說就像那個什麼你現在談到匯率我們就來聊一下嘛你知道川普他基本上有一個Mirren的經濟顧問嘛那Mirren他裡頭有提到說那個美元基本上是過度被高估所以說25% |
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他們有一個建議就是說應該走弱勢美元應該把它貶值20%的這種說法讓整個製造業回流那這個方式如果說按照目前他在公開的檔案當中從關稅戰然後一直到美元的這種貶值有一個路徑圖喔 |
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可是呢總裁你記不記得我們上一次討論的上上上個會期討論的時候我就請教你說對川普會走強勢美元還是走弱勢美元可是顯然這個經濟顧問的看法跟你絕然不同嘛不是嗎沒有還是川普聽你的我跟委員報告 |
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事實上前沒有多久他的財政部長才說他們還是希望強勢美元可是他們財政部長是邊緣啊我跟你報告事實上呢匯率呢是財政部在主掌的所以說你認為他不會走弱勢美元這個當然財政部長說是強勢美元但是呢我想委員也知道就是說川普的個性就是說我說了算我說了算那沒有辦法部長說的沒有算 |
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但是呢 一貫以來啊 我跟委員報告就是說一貫以來 美國的財政部呢 都是希望美元強勢強勢美元 所以說就你跟財政部的美國財政部溝通是走強勢美元所以這個貶值的路線不會這樣走就是了 |
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所以我跟委員報告前財政部長Alan他都一直認為匯率匯率講說是弱勢美元或是強勢美元他都認為就是說好像這個也不大對他認為就是說匯率是由市場來決定總裁 |
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說是這樣說啦華盛頓廣場協議你也非常清楚啦他用美國的實力來影響你其他的貿易對象逼著貿易對象來生死嘛他現在沒有逼著你貿易對象生死第一個就把你關稅提高嘛第二個他如果再加上把你貶值的話你看台灣以出口貿易為導向的這個經濟體如何去面對我現在擔心的地方就是在這邊啦 |
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委員擔心的是很正常很合理邏輯上是對的不過我想我們會密切注意這件事總裁你稍作休息我請你來部長因為賴清德總統已經有去彭博社新聞社裡頭書第一個他是強調說要一定要洗產地 |
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你到底有沒有什麼方式好洗產地越南的方式洗產地的方式怎麼洗產地呢他就在科徵中國的這個稅金高達25%有沒有可能比照辦理部長洗產地的部分其實我們的關務署跟經濟部都是強一直非常密切的合作我們剛才報告過就是海關裡面有三道的防線除了防線之外有沒有可能用稅的這個工具啦有沒有可能我就問你這個問題嘛 |
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謝謝經濟部的次長 |
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那個何次長何次你現在的狀況好像重但是放在經濟部第一個的部分是說你們要採買採買的部分我算一算這個石油的部分採買你大概憨不啷噹有沒有可能天然氣加石油有沒有可能多100億的可能性它總共大概360億左右 |
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是就短約跟長約大概有三是短約大概三到四成的左右有沒有可能訂單移轉有沒有可能是當然這是一個可能性盡量來達到擴大那加強投資的部分呢就減少貿易逆差現在也在進行是好這兩個你們現在負責這兩個對我們那個杜次長杜次我們現階段跟美國的這個貿易是美國是屬於順差的部分農產品是28億 |
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可是我們主要的部分是黃豆跟玉米的部分還有一些空間主要是跟巴西買有沒有可能轉向美國其實美國這邊因為就我們的業者來講第一個品質當然要穩定第二個價格要合理那以美國來看這最近的黃豆玉米價格報價其實都非常可接受所以有可能轉單我們業者確實是有然後貿易逆差不為了逆差也為了他們自己就是整個糧食的來源供應穩定跟品質好然後但是現在我們就是在貿易的問題 |
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不是一個供應的問題嘛最後請教一下總裁總裁你上一次的報告當中有特別提到說要購買農產品要增加投資嘛還有增加採買嘛對不對這三項嘛還有還買武器嘛對不對可是買武器的部分有算在裡頭嗎 |
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據我們了解好像武器有一部分是它有放在裡面但是我知道好像大部分沒有即便我們現在2.5%的GDP這個可以再拆開一下 欠搭3%的話這個可以採買的武器大概剩下40億的空間所以說你這樣的說法這40億當中真的能夠達到貿易平衡的效果到底有多少你們評估一下只有一部分嘛 |
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我們記得我們在了解的...稍微了解一下嗎要不然我們寫得夯不啷噹好像國人很有信心但是事實上沒有那麼多的情況底下相關的單位就要增加其他的方式來平衡貿易的可能性嘛好不好好 謝謝大家 謝謝 |