| IVOD_ID |
160051 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160051 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-10T09:54:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-10T10:07:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/127fafa562dc97124e00caa42d581c0639fb4699fde5326172c2a43b2ce79c50f699acf6b854a81e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:54:06 - 10:07:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「川普對等關稅政策實施，對我國股匯市、經濟成長、物價、房市等項所造成之衝擊與因應措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查「納稅者權利保護法」4案：
(一)本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「納稅者權利保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)本院委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第四條條文修正草案」案。
(三)本院委員林思銘等20人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第七條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(四)本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查「加值型及非加值型營業稅法」9案：
(一) 本院委員鍾佳濱等18人、委員鍾佳濱等23人、委員郭國文等17人、委員吳沛憶等18人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法部分條文修正草案」等4案。【本院委員吳沛憶等18人提案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
(二) 本院委員陳超明等18人、委員邱志偉等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第八條條文修正草案」等2案。
(三) 本院委員賴士葆等25人、委員顏寬恒等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第十三條條文修正草案」等2案。
(四) 本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。） |
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有請央行的楊總裁以及財政部的莊部長以及經管會的彭主委三位長官集合三位長官好 |
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最近這個禮拜都是川普週大家大街小巷談著川普他現在本來大家看起來一副1930年代1929、1930年那時候的美國總統那時候也是做兩件事情 |
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一屆關稅引起關稅的大戰第二個呢他要做一個升息這點川普比較聰明川普比較準備降息所以那時候開始就來一個大蕭條這個美國的股市花25年才讓它回到原來那個水準所以這個東西很慘烈啊看起來很慘烈那現在這個好不容易川普啊這個時候暫停90天 |
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止課十趴老 美股大漲我就請教 你剛才已經說了但是我還是請教 再說一遍好了是不是從此我們台灣的股市從此過上幸福美滿的日子一路往上攀升會這樣說嗎 |
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要我回答嗎我剛剛也在講就是說金融市場他很顧忌的就是不確定性那所以也就是說這三個月給他緩衝因為這三個月他的結果是什麼還不曉得所以基本上整個的市場還是會籠罩在不確定性 |
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所以不確定就不會一路往上衝因為他可能會做某些就也許有些時候會上去但是也許有些時候風吹草動的時候他又會下來所以不會就說現在美國要的資源不都滿足了啊他現在要的就是他這個財政部長講說640幾億的貿易逆差其實也從美國的資料算是739億那我算這個來講的話來講的話 |
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台灣雖然現在90天裡面暫時豁免但是還是要課10%喔但是原來是1.7%中間就差8.3%8.3%是什麼概念我們去美國多少一年的輸出多少去年1100多億1100多億我們乘以8.3%大概90幾億美金折合台幣3000億所以從現在開始 |
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他雖然把我們說要暫時90天 暫時WAVE掉暫時免除32%可是我們關稅仍然多付3000多億給美國 |
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我跟委員報告就是說我們出口出去的產品他進口台灣的產品那這個要分大類可以分三種產品一種產品他就是他剛需他比較需要的 |
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那需要的話 那這個就是說我沒有時間 只能聽你分析喔你現在就跟我講這個數字對不對啦對 這個呢 這個就是說你講的就是說是最嚴重的時候沒有 最嚴重就是這個數字在這裡喔好 來來來這個再確定一下喔他講說75國戰死後面 有沒有報告台灣 確定 |
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他這個七十五國就應該是有包含了沒有應該還是確定這個我不曉得莊部長要不要確定一下七十五國有沒有包含台灣確定沒有他是講七十五國有去表達跟美國去協商那至於後來我們剛剛有講那個白宮的秘書有華爾街日報有他有表達他有直接就說除了中國以外 |
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其他的國家 可增基本的關稅就加增10%的基本關稅可是他這次靠的是全國全世界是一百八十幾個國家欸不是只有只有只有七七七只有八十個國家不是欸他靠的是一百八十幾個國家 |
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就全部的國家它是加徵10%的關稅另外有其他大概57個國家是加徵到另外有加一個4月9號以後是高於10的11到50%的一個對等關稅這個部分還有加25%的還有加25%的25%的那個是232的貿易條款裡面所以它也有一些暫時豁免的一些部分是 |
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沒有 所以我就問你 你還沒有給我答案嘛台灣是不是確定在這75個豁免國家裡面 有沒有 |
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美國新聞歷史所發布的就是它有證實這個部分確實是所有國家徵收百分之十的九十天的期間所有國家加徵百分之十的關稅那當然中國不在裡面啦是就是確定嘛就中國大陸不在裡面我們在裡面根據它這樣的證實好那現在我們現在來講說我們的進口從美國進口我們要零關稅這樣子稅損多少 |
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至於零關稅這個部分根據總統也提到說從零關稅開始去跟他們去做談判那至於最後是不是所有的貨品是不是零關稅我想我們的貿易談判的工作小組他會去做模擬各種方式所以他不知道這個部分我們先跟報告的就是說我們知道去年的我們從美國進口的一個 |
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4百多億美金客徵對美國徵收的關稅是7.5億美金 |
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7.5億美金美國的計算7.5億美金但是裡面很多農產品對農民的損失對農民的壓力非常大的這個部分當然產業主管機關會去衡量第三個部分各縣市政府都希望財政部給他降稅 |
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這個時間總裁也講了現在不穩定喔還不穩定喔沒有因此走上一個幸福快樂的日子還沒有喔還沒有到not ready yet你這個怎麼回應各地方政府希望能夠降稅降你的營所稅或降什麼稅whatever |
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有沒有可能這個部分對於有關的產業供應鏈的一個支持方案行政院已經提出了那支持方案裡面的一些項目或有沒有減稅這一項沒有減稅這一項沒有減稅這一項租稅的部分第一個租稅部分產創條例裡面有相關的一些減稅的優惠以及我們今天也我們也同時提到在我們的報告也提到 |
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如果廠商受到或者民眾受到這個衝擊的話那稅可以申請延分期繳納分期繳納或者延後繳納沒有減稅這個所以沒有減稅這個選項啦所以地方政府是白搭的啦白講的啦好不好那我再請教這個彭主委啊台灣的股市過去幾天是不是已經進入休市了是不是 |
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當然沒有,我們過去其實兩天交易量其實非常正常熊市是看你的跌幅啊不是那個當然是比如說剛才像今天就反映的跌幅超過120了對,當然比如說學理上有一個所謂的熊市的定義不過熊市還是要看它實際上的狀況我們看今天的情況如果說回復以外說按照那個定義其實上可能還不到那個程度 |
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其實從去年的七月中到今年的一月初啊就已經跌了22.9%那時候老實講 從去年中到今年初如果按照20%的一個講法就是熊死了所以好 那今天這樣子活著暫時豁免90%要讓有他人立場 你有你立場 |
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從此台灣的股市是不是一路順利往上走當然金管會不會去預測未來的走勢那我想說因為他是充分的反應我想各位如果有比較過過去這個台灣的產業結構還跟國際股市的發展台灣在這三天確實是 |
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應該是有疊的比較多那實際上我覺得應該製作事實的回覆我想這個部分應該是好請兩位長官先回座我再請那個楊總裁楊總裁啊是你在這裡回覆一個立委講說外匯存底92%馬美債這是確定嗎對不對這個沒有確定 |
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那你都公開回答了不是我公開我是我們的副總裁副總裁講錯了但是是確實他是說錯了 |
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還是多少我們應該又說是8以前我就講過啦我們的美債大概有八成以上八成 八十二八十一 八十二 八十九八成 八成以上因為我也不能就是說跟你講是一個確定的數據為什麼呢因為匯率呢匯率都時常在變動所以這個比例也都會時常在變動那大概85左右可以這樣講嗎 |
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我只能說是80%以上現在有一種講法說川普為什麼把這次跟世界這樣子 |
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開這個手術大刀就是希望能夠解決他的美債的問題因為美債超過36兆美金這個傢伙對吧 |
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對啦 也可以這麼說但是我覺得比較準確的說法是說他要把美國的政府的deficit就是他的budget deficit要能夠下降下來對嘛 就是介紹他的美債嘛那以現在來講的話日本或者大陸都在拋售美債 |
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500億最近有一個數字跑出來了雖然還沒有到最後Final這樣子因為他今年6月美國6.5兆的美金6.5兆國庫券再到期了被要求轉入長債長債高達30年50年那利率更低有的甚至要0 |
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688.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
708.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
一百年常債常債三十年期的多現在比十年期的多還高啊怎麼有可能就是說要那個把它到一百年那然後呢是零利率這個是不可能的不可能那不可能外面有媒體這樣報導我覺得這是不可能的好最後一點我們就請潘主委上來請那個楊總裁下去請 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
715.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
742.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
本身有一個小問題問我就可以下去了不少出入股市者怕被斷頭用保單 用信貸來支應萬一股市再跌要像這樣 stable 完全穩定會不會產生系統性的風暴儘管會怎麼來對這些人這些人很多是剛加入股市的特別是年輕的剛大學畢業或者在學生 在校學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
743.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
761.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
其實跟委員報告其實我們非常關注這個問題我們也隨時請交易所關注這個比如說他們這些的profile長什麼樣我們發現這個段頭的大概是七成大概就是40到69歲的族群是占最多數那其實這個部分當然人數最近比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
762.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
791.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
但是我覺得我們這個部分呢還在一個可控我們是會提供一些盡量提供一些協助什麼協助什麼協助像我們第一波的方案裡面也提到就是說再來就是我們希望可以比如說這個補這個擔保品的部分呢能夠更多元我們市場上反映很多問題我們立刻去解決當然有些系統上的問題不是一下就能解決不過我們這部分呢我們就盡量去協助這些因為這個不確定因素而遭受一時之間沒辦法融通的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
792.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
802.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
現在目前看起來還不至於我們還是真的非常非常的關心這個問題我們持續的就請教育所這邊會關注 謝謝 |