| IVOD_ID |
159993 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159993 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T12:18:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T12:26:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce91371e8faab2031779a8b3a3b5782fdd2eb6e21b32d8c6be5dc74b8a2e1778a35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:18:34 - 12:26:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、數位發展部部長、教育部部長、大陸委員會主任委員、內政部移民署署長、國家安全局局長及國家人權委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「言論自由不在？界線誰說了算！國家介入特定政治言論之法律邊界」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 我們請陸委會梁副主委及移民署陳副署長 |
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委員好副主委還有陳副署長好我想剛剛已經有很多委員有提到有關這個移民署要求大陸配偶補交出籍證明的澄清包括我辦公室也收到非常多這樣的澄清就是說只要在海基會沒有驗證資料的都要補交請教一下陳副署長請問是誰要你們這樣做的沒有 這個其實長久以來我們都有在做這個事情長久以來是多久以來 |
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其實只要因為移民署負責在省陸配的長期居留從移清居留、長期居留到定居這個階段那請問一下陸委移民署一直以來都有做嗎?我們依據的是兩岸公寓這20年來都有做嗎? |
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我們依序都有在做都有做那為什麼還有這麼多還沒有補交如果你20年前就有做的話不該有這麼多人沒有補交嗎跟委員報告其實陸配到台灣來兩岸分配總共有36萬餘人我想請教一下陳副署長我們得到的訊息是在2024年也就是去年的10月是陸委會要求移民署要逐步清查這個陸籍配偶放棄戶籍證明的請問是不是這樣 |
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這個我們長久以來都有做那我剛剛的問題是去年的10月份陸委會有沒有要求你們要逐步清查陸籍配偶的這個出戶證明其實長久以來我們都在我想我沒什麼時間在這邊鬼打牆我覺得有就有 沒有就沒有如果沒有你就說沒有有你就說有陳副署長 |
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這個部分是不是說因為那個我也不要為難你啦你剛剛已經告訴我了所以我想請教一下就是有關這個部分就是洛委會要求移民署清查的這個喪屍原籍的證明是民國93年3月1號實施的這相關的辦法但在此之前是不需要提交這個喪屍原籍的證明那所以大家我想大家也都接到很多陳情很多都是 |
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如果是以93年開始起算的話很多都是來台灣已經二三十年的這些陸配那所以他們有可能在當地第一個可能親人也不在了第二個有可能因為你要他已經被處級三十年以上再到原地去 |
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要求他們以這個無戶籍的身份回去辦理本來就有實務上的困難所以已經造成了我想不管是配偶還有陸配的家庭他們都造成嚴重的一個恐慌那之前我們也有問過移民署移民署回覆我辦公室的說處理方式有三個第一個以海基會提供的請海基會提供驗證副本 |
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第二個自己回大陸申請第三個請大陸親友代為申請這三種方式剛剛其實也有委員提到了都是不可行的方式也就是說現在在93年以前要清查的人數還有1萬多人剛剛副主長有提到了那目前剛剛不管是副主委還有陳副主長都提到 |
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未來如果有沒辦法做到這三剛剛講的這三種方式可以用個案來去處理那我想請教一下目前還有一萬多個這樣子的一個狀一個這個還沒辦法處理的方式那未來如果都要以個案處理的話我不曉得是不是因為現在陸委會跟海基會實在是沒什麼業務喔這個吃飽太閒還是怎麼樣都要用個案來處理的話那真的有辦法來處理嗎所以能不能用通案的方式來協助 |
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請教一下副主委 |
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我再跟委員報告一下很多人他提出的很多理由有些理由是聽起來是合理的也有很多理由聽起來是其實是沒有那麼合理的如果是有剛剛我講我也在旁邊有聽到副主委有提到好有的不合理的部分那我們認同這就把這個不剔除那有沒有辦法用通案的方式來協助所以我們的原則還是這樣比如說啦一定原則上大家都要都要繳交證明 |
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當然那但是如果說你真的是因為不可抗議的因素我們現在講的是93年以前的嗎從法律規定來講是全部都要交就是說我們可不可以以簽署竊竊書的方式來做替代應該是這樣講就要看他是不是真的無法回去真的無法回去取得文件 |
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因為我剛剛提到這一萬多個如果你們都要用個案處理的話相信大家不管是這個陸委會不管是移民署的業務我相信都沒辦法來處理所以這部分希望剛剛我想我們國民黨團總召也特別希望你們能夠提出一些樣態 |
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那什麼樣的方式是可行什麼樣的不可能盡量我覺得還是應該用通案來處理那真正有剛剛您講那個狀況再用個案處理我覺得這樣的方式可能也可以解決大家共同的一個困擾啦那另外再請教一下法務部鎮部長 |
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請教一下鄭部長就是針對陸委會要求營運署清查這個放棄出戶證明若無法繳交要撤銷戶籍登記請問這是不是屬於行政處罰的行為行政處分行政處分那行政處分有沒有失效性的問題這要看那個 |
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因為如果依照你們行政法法第45條的規定應該是有這個製裁處期時效至本法實施日期算三年嘛也就是說早就通過了那個追溯期啊這個不是 這是行政處分那這個也就是行政處罰這不是刑處罰好 那有沒有時效性 |
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請問一下剛剛提到這個行政處分有沒有時效性 |
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那這個應該因為他沒有義務的違反如果沒有義務違反就不是屬於行政的處罰那也有一種行政處分叫做管制性的行政處分那做成這樣一個行政處分我沒有看過相關實體法的規定不過剛才答詢的內容好像是說有從自知悉時起可以做這樣子一個處分那所以是有還是沒有 |
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時效嗎?對就是如果實體法的規定是是從資息機關資息時起算他可以做這樣一個處分的話那可能就是要具體的去認定機關到底什麼時候是可知可得資息的好 |
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那所以這部分應該要請梁副主委回答是嗎根據我們兩樣人民關係條例九之一條的規定你可以看它的條文它基本上是沒有任何時間限制的也就是說一個陸配他就算在台灣生活了五十年六十年 |
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他如果兩邊的身份都有的話只要被我們窒息那我們就要處理好 那針對這個部分就是要麻煩梁副主委就我們剛剛所要求的能夠盡快的提出一個重案的檢討謝謝謝謝 那接下來我們 |