| IVOD_ID |
159990 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159990 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T11:59:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T12:18:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce2107a630af34d6d279a8b3a3b5782fdd2eb6e21b32d8c6be31d4186e9443af555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:59:33 - 12:18:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、數位發展部部長、教育部部長、大陸委員會主任委員、內政部移民署署長、國家安全局局長及國家人權委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「言論自由不在？界線誰說了算！國家介入特定政治言論之法律邊界」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席是不是請陸委會 移民署陸委會 移民署兩位首長現在從昨天這幾天 軒然大波 |
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在我們的國家面臨全世界核彈級的經貿危機的時候連賴總統 卓院長都希望大家一起朝野一起共赴國難只是此刻對於這個14萬的陸配是不是有放棄國籍證明這個事情現在決定要怎麼做 |
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好 謝謝委員其實我們這個事情不是現在才做其實在去年我們就整個清查所有陸配還沒有繳交除籍證明的這一些人因為如果依照兩岸關係條例9條1那時候的規範他必須在 |
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台灣地區人民在大陸地區取得戶籍或者使用大陸護照他必須放棄在六個月之內在當時的立法的時候去年什麼時候開始我們去年下半年開始我們就根據這一些因為現在處置的方式是如何 |
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是要請還沒有我們至少他沒有檢據放棄原籍證明的這些陸配他必須要來補正相關資料沒有補正的話無法補正的情況會怎麼樣其實在無法補正我們也正在跟陸委會在做一個協調我們針對所謂他因故無法 |
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去回到大陸也可能他是因為年紀比較大或者身體的一個健康狀況所以導致他無法回去那這些事情我們現在其實移民署我們已經有所謂的設立專線還有專友提供民眾政府的專線確定可以處理事情嗎我們是要把 |
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民眾他這一些沒有辦法回去提示這一些除疾證明的這些人把他們困難點回饋給我們我們彙整各種態樣它是什麼樣的一個狀態那處理的標準是什麼當然現在正在做所以我們希望說所以還沒有標準還在那沒有標準的話你們處置的方式已經出來了嗎 |
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這幾個月內沒有完成會怎麼樣現在目前是三個月之內那如果說看民眾的一個那你太陽的規則標準都還沒有出來就已經準備先處置了嗎應該我們還在研議那這個時間應該先豁免一下吧各種太陽不同的話要如何處置你要一個standard出來嘛你不能說現在立刻就來執行三個月的事情嘛 |
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那梁副主委也有什麼話要說 |
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應該是這樣 我們根據法律原則上我們會要求凡是沒有繳交的都要繳交這是原則那現在我們收到有一些民眾他陳情說他有什麼困難他沒辦法回去拿那針對這些陳情的個案我們會個別來甄別但是我也要跟委員報告這個事情並不是從現在才開始就像副署長講的從去年就開始清查 |
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那在清查過程之中有一些也不是現在才有人說他沒辦法回去但是有一些狀況是他可能當事人講的不一定是真實的狀況 |
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有些當事人他只是不願意或是懶得回去或他不願意花機票錢或者說他在大陸有欠債或是刑事責任等等這些所以這些東西不能一概而論那我們的原則上就是大家所以副主委剛剛有說明到有很多不同的態樣但請把它條列化出來好不好 |
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條例畫出來讓大家有一個讓人民幸福的一個準則法律比較很清楚的條例是我們可以盡量去做但是因為陳情的樣態其實千變萬化 |
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千變萬化政府存在不就要處理這些問題嗎那你到目前為止我們比較可以有共識的譬如說你是因為長期臥病在床健康因素你沒有辦法回去拿這個部分我覺得應該是會比較有共識但是其他的部分他說有很多各式各樣的理由那我們不一定都會採納梁副主委 |
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我想不是今天的詢問而已 這個問題受到大眾的矚目請你們去商量以後條例是很明確的公告周知 讓大家有所預詢的方向那個主席我想這個事情啊本席從今天早上聽到現在啊不能這樣含糊過關啊一個很清楚的方式是什麼要讓人民能夠知曉 |
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我們會再開會也請陸委會還有移民署要很明確的遊戲規則讓我們了解我梁副主委我本席在這裡很清楚請教一個問題我們現在是把一萬四千名陸配所有不管任何年限現在都要繳交是嗎 |
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根據法律是的那請問你法律什麼時候訂的2004年修改的3月1號對那2004年3月1號以前的呢法律規定就是2004年那次修改之前如果他沒有繳交初期證明的話他就必須要在六個月之內繳交如果他在六個月之內沒有繳交就是取消台灣的身份 |
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法律規定就是這樣2004年3月1號加6個月9月1號9月1號以後你如果入委會還沒有執行你秘書也還沒有執行是不是也過了已經追溯年限了就算大家當時拿一個假的來都已經超過了追溯期的20年 |
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2004年9月1號到現在是多少年那個報告委員從我們兩岸關係條例來講這個不能有雙重身份這件事情沒有什麼追溯年限的問題你就算過了50年你有雙重身份還是不許剛剛這個秘書來puzzle你一下那這一點為什麼之前都沒有公告周知呢 |
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這是政府的疏失啊政府的疏失應該自行承受啊怎麼叫老百姓來承擔呢政府官員廢職職務從2004年修法到現在 這中間兩黨輪流執政現在梁副主委 本席現在要求你 |
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沒有關係 哪一個黨都有疏失但是不可以規則於人民就這麼簡單所以未來要如何執行請回去把確切的準則公告周知 可以嗎 |
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這個部分我們會去研究但是我還是在跟委員報告因為陳情的理由有各式各樣有些是真的有些是假的政府存在的價值不就處理各式各樣人的問題嗎本席在這裡已經請陸委會跟移民署把這個事情早日承來落定有沒有任何補救的措施跟辦法 |
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要一併公告好不好來 請那個部長鄭部長鄭部長 麻煩部長 三年關兩年罵歷史上主要留下你的痕跡啊您覺得你擔任部長到現在 |
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臺灣的言論自由是更加的自由還是更加的緊縮我們臺灣的自由程度是在亞洲是言論自由這個是言論自由是亞洲第二在整個美國自由自家的一個評比所以你從520就職到現在十個月 |
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你認為我們的言論自由是增加的充分的被保障 依照法律來保障沒有關係 那本席來慢慢請教為什麼 為什麼台灣現在是應該要不分族群 不分意識形態應該好好團結的時刻結果卻有發生 |
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這個各種啊對言論前置的危機已經公開的發生而且這個危機不是一兩個人在講是大家都在講那個部長 本期請教一下齁這個中研院啊陳培哲等75位啊 |
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學者聯合聲明 聲明什麼部長 請把聲明告訴我們好嗎這個寫在簡報上對 你可以啊 參考一下 也跟大家分享一下這個是總召提供的 沒有關係你可以照你自己找到的也可以那個市長幫他Google一下嘛 沒有關係嘛75位學者聯合聲明什麼事情 |
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這個是整個中央學者的一個聲明我們就尊重聲明的內容是什麼聲明內容這裡面有寫這個不是我講的部長他說什麼你參考一下跟大家分享一下這個裡面有寫的不用我講這個大家都看到了所以部長你有這個勇氣 |
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面對啊各界的質疑你要有承擔跟接受挑戰的勇氣嘛已經講了嘛為什麼這麼多偏綠的學者都已經講了嘛這個戒嚴時代啊思想審查機制啊已經到了台灣的上空啊嚴重破壞台灣民主法治的發展 |
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部長這是你第一張成績單啊算是偏綠的學者啊發表的聲明啊所以啊 部長鄭楠榮先生是哪一天是我們鄭楠榮先生我們言論自由的紀念日是哪一天4月7日啊 4月7日 好謝謝你啊你還讓全國國人知道 |
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我們現在為了紀念鄭若龍先生所以言論自由我們是紀念日而不是追悼日言論自由的紀念日不是追悼日本席在這裡再跟部長言論自由這是民主最可貴的地方 |
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不管你主張台獨你主張統一你主張維持現狀這個都是各種言論的自由都可以表達本席請教部長你應該常常要網絡要收集各方的資訊對不對語情觀察對不對是嗎這部分會我們語情會有一些的注意啦應該部長嘛日理萬機要了解語情嘛對不對 |
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不管是有線新聞網也好還是網媒也好我想部長應該都常常在涉獵訊息對不對是嗎 這個我們都會注意部長 你有沒有發現本席被青衣社的綠媒 綠網 綠嘴 綠團 |
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你看 這麼多人關心言論自由 連那個都飛進來了部長 北西被罵了三四個月北西只有兩個字 各種言論尊重這就是中華民國民主可貴的地方大家可以有不同的政治立場 但是我們要彼此的尊重 |
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部長你的成績單除了剛剛中研院的院士以外我不曉得你從哪裡去看到是用多少的業配去找來的這個這個所謂的國外的評比TBS剛做的這個民調你了解嗎TBS剛做的民調你了解嗎 |
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TBS剛做的民調我們的言論有沒有自由有沒有更加的開放還是更加的限縮部長您上台以後現在我們言論自由認為限縮的人高達86.7%這不是本席做的民調這TBS公開的民調部長這是你的成績單我們國家的司法 |
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已經逾越了自由這個我不同意沒有關係同不同意因為這個是一個很客觀的數字啦因為不是本席做的這是我在網路上看到的你可以去質疑TBS沒有關係啦那個部長不過還是要跟您共勉之啦這個福爾泰啊我們法國的哲學家我想你也都非常了解 |
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我可以不同意你的觀點但我誓死捍衛你說話的權利部長認不認同認不認同這個是胡爾泰講的我是認同好 謝謝這就是民主社會那最後呢我想今天啊言論自由既然是今天主要的課題 |
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所以本席一定要在最後最關鍵的拜託一下部長挺直腰桿政治司法不要介入言論的自由政治司法不要介入言論的自由看一下美國開國的國父 |
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George Washington為什麼一個政權要禁止言論自由只有三個解釋第一個 他過去做了什麼壞事怕人們提起第二個 他現在正在幹什麼壞事怕人們批評第三個 他準備做什麼壞事怕人民揭露所以 拜託一下部長 |
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言論自由是我們民主國家我們要合乎到憲法言論自由是憲法保障的基準權利但是也要23條憲法23條的一些的法律上的這個也是 |
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那我想大法官解釋也對這樣就充分的做樣的一個解釋了我想我們都充分的保障這些法律及憲法一旨的言論自由我想這個是可以所以我們台灣才會成為世界被公認的言論自由國家部長又提到世界你又再次拉到世界本席更加的敬佩你啊再拉到世界 |
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我們再次的強調聯合國的人權宣言兩公約言論自由是必須得到充分的保障不需要太多太多的干涉好不好那今天我想今天召委排這個課程跟部長共享 分享好不好三尼瓜兩尼莫當來的時候意氣風發 |
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等我工作結束的時候 要讓人家常常的很思念懷念你我想公共生涯就是這樣 好不好 公平之謝謝好 那剛剛那個陸委會還有那個移民署剛剛委員有提到要你們準備的東西再麻煩你們提供給委員 |