| IVOD_ID |
159962 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159962 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T11:06:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T11:17:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce06e85bca76fa2846a0ce932bdb5123482eb6e21b32d8c6be2ee760386b7cab395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:44 - 11:17:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長及國家發展委員會主任委員就「國際經貿情勢變化，提出協助國內傳統產業及中小企業因應之對策」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我想要請郭部長跟劉主委請郭部長劉主委 |
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我想請就教兩位現在我們目前我們預估對於傳產是提出的是700億的特別預算對於我們的農業是180億那我想要請問以就目前 |
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我們這樣子的一個情況什麼樣子的情況下你們未來去談會增加我們要補助不管是傳產微創微小型企業以及對於農業我們要增加在什麼樣子的條件下 |
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報告委員 我想我剛才也有講過了880億是特別預算在現階段馬上能夠紓困止血對這些中小微企業的部分 |
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那對於這個中期來講中期所謂的也不要講說中期就是說目前在處理的第一個階段我們是這個樣子那第二個階段當我們第一個階段結束的時候發現有必要再持續來協助 |
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那持續來進行的時候這個預算我相信是會再增加的會再增加的那但是這一些因為是屬於特別預算需要大院各位委員的支持所以我在說什麼情況下我知道啊但是 |
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剛才你們說啦我們有非常多套的劇本我也認同我們談判絕對不能只有一套劇本但是在什麼樣子的情況下我們要給企業信心啊我們在什麼樣子的情況下會要對我們的傳產對我們的農業在提高我們特別預算什麼樣情況下報告委員因為我們現在還沒有 |
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我們雖然有掌握這整個情勢啦但是每一家廠商對應這個環境的變異他需要的協助程度是不一樣的我不是每一家直接乘上多少家宿我們不是這樣子做而是直接的去訪談接觸這一些可以講說這些有受到影響的這一些廠商 |
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我們來協助他需要什麼樣的協助這個是不一樣的我們有很多他可能在生產上面需要我們協助可能在訂單調整上面需要我們協助可能在金融上面需要我們協助但是產銷人發財太多了我知道我必須要去identify這一些他需要你什麼時候可以identify |
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我们现在都在进行中进行中我们现在我们整个产业发展署我们的中小企业署我们的园区管理局我们大概四个单位在进行所谓厂商的访谈 |
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所以我们分别第一个我们跟我们比较高阶的同仁是跟这个工会产业工会去做一些座谈对实际上的厂商我们都一一的去访谈我相信这样子得到的讯息会比较正确而不是大家用那个假设性的这个讯息所以对我们来讲我们虽然是这样但是我们希望能够对症下药 |
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然後來協助他們好那什麼時候談什麼時候去美國談啊納坦雅胡對不對以色列總理他已經去美國談他們就零關稅你們希望的目標是零關稅是不是你從零關稅開始談嗎從零關稅看你們自己的目標勒你們自己設定的目標有沒有辦法像以色列一樣談到零關稅 |
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這個是談判的這個談判小組他們的目標啦 設定啦齁我們是盡量以不影響國內的生態然後創造有競爭優勢的的這樣的情境啦齁然後讓這個這個談判小組的人能夠跟對方來談我想這個有很多的這種give and take所以還沒有確定什麼時候談你看 |
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石破茂他已經跟川普通電話了那他們就是優先去談那我們到底什麼時候我們比較low key啦所以我們要low profile去進行這件事情不需要那麼樣那怎樣我們是要隱藏起來我們是隱藏起來還是已經談了那個報告委員我們一定是這樣子一定在這個priority在前面的group |
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你已經確定我們是在Priority Group在韓國之後嗎?會不會在韓國之後? |
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我們主要的競爭你們都一直在談嘛只要我們不比我們主要的競爭對手的關稅還要就是高的情況下我們就有保持我們的貿易優勢但是目前我們就比日韓都還要高啊是不是報告委員那個韓國跟美國啊他們是這個FTA的 |
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所以你認為我們這樣子的情況已經比過去好是不是不是比過去好了我的意思就是說不針對單一的命題去做一個假設我們是談整體的對我們中華民國 |
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有幫助的對我們整個台灣的企業這個產業能夠穩住在台灣製造台灣生產這個是我們最大的目的所以你還是不確定什麼時候開始談我現在都在進行中好那對於美國所要求的消除貿易障礙的部分我們有沒有辦法做到在著作權方面呢 |
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報告委員消除貿易障礙的部分很多是基於文化跟習慣的這個部分所以我們會跟對方溝通解釋說明台灣為什麼做了這些措施會引起他們認為是貿易障礙我想從這個地方去溝通那他們會去溝通會去談判 |
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我認為我們必須要表達為什麼要做這個事情才有辦法再去做談的內容啦對不對這是give and take的部分嘛所以這個很重要美國認為重要的事情我們可能有疏忽或者是我們認為重要的事情美國他們不清楚所以這個很難談我想 |
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談判啊像我跟劉主委我們在民間大概每一年這種重大談判都會碰到一兩次我這一輩子大概民間做50年的工作我大概有150次談判的這個經驗所以你會去談是不是就我們的經驗來講所以你會代表去談 |
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沒有沒有我們兩個就是提供我們過去的經驗讓談判小組去談這些事情我想很多的事情我們過去的經驗可能是很久的經驗那他們現在談判小組他們與時俱進啊他們是專家我們是在外面談商業的部分所以我們可以提供一點經驗 |
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那我的意思就是說談判通常會站在give and take的這個角度上面然後取得一定的平衡那這個裡面我們當然講說非貿易障礙這塊的東西不是數字可以解讀的而是要從文化習慣各方面來綜合考量 |
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取得對方的諒解或者取得對方的同意或者取得對方的知曉我想這一方面有助於溝通啦我們只是提供這樣的意見好 你站第一排太久了是不是讓那個留住我一下主委喔剛才你在你的報告裡面提到喔就是美國的市場其實算全球市場的就是不是全部啊 |
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那有86%是其他的市場可是我要給你看的是我們的數字我們國家的數字 |
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這是我國對就是主要的出口數字你看到了我們的數字裡面對中國大陸與香港在我們總出口量的31.7%對美國是23.4%對東協東協也是在這一次對美國來講也是重大的損損失的國家是18.5%那我想請問我們要轉去哪裡 |
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我們現在要轉去哪裡委員是這樣子其實我們在很多新興的市場我們其實都還有很大的成長空間那對我們來講的話其實對廠商而言在這個時候它兩個大的可能只有三種比較可能大的方向第一個是供應鏈移轉往美國走或者是找到一個最適合生產地譬如說稅率10%的地方另外一個角度是它就市場上面進行分散 |
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進行分散像最近崛起的印度市場土耳其市場其實也蠻多台灣廠商走到裡面那從這裡面賺到一桶金所以我們只是希望幫大家找到很多替代市場然後呢協助這些廠商往替代市場去發展對 問題是你找出替代市場的時候廠商會不會跟著政府的腳步走是不是廠商會不會跟著是不是你沒有提供足夠的誘因是嗎 |
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我們會提供誘因之外我們其實也跟一些協會有在溝通那我們也在探討怎麼樣協助這些協會帶著他的會員往新的市場去開發好 謝謝好 謝謝 |