| IVOD_ID |
159946 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159946 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T10:18:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T10:36:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce05327187541d357aa0ce932bdb5123486e4b1f34053c89de1db97a0ba832a5a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:56 - 10:36:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長及國家發展委員會主任委員就「國際經貿情勢變化，提出協助國內傳統產業及中小企業因應之對策」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請柏定叫主委郭部長 劉主委委員長柏定 我們現在是共護國難啦 共護國難角色非常重要 經濟補給國發會都很重要很重要的 包括我發現一個神奇怪的現象你4月4號 |
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那一天你的角色應該是重中之重啊你為什麼做到第二排一個記者會前程一百分鐘你幾乎都沒有講欸有評論你有看到嗎?他們說你那個表現啊比那個手藝老師啊還不如你明明應該有準備的嘛對不對?那一天你是被下封口令還是你不想講?報告委員你看到的那個畫面跟事實不一定是正確的你去看棒球 |
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投手好幾個在後面然後這個先發投手投得很好 九局都他在投啊對不對 我本來是中繼角色啊那你說我沒有上去就代表說我沒有用嗎大概是這個樣子 我跟你報告啦齁那一天我們是 我準備要回答記者的提問 |
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但是記者的提問 提完了 我們院長副院長都答了都答完了啊 就沒有輪到我這是事實 跟你報告就這樣所以評論才會講說你比那個衰老師表現都不足啊我現在 人民現在比較關心的你角色要很積極 不好意思我問你啦你那天沒有上台是怎麼樣 你是被下風口令還是你自己主動就不上去 |
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沒有啊 這個就是分工合作嘛分工那你不可能投球 人家都是部會所長你聽我講不可能兩個投手上去投嘛那你是投手啊 為什麼是次長上去啊沒有 你是被主席 現在民眾不可以這樣他上去是在報告嘛 |
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不是在回答問題啊我的重點不是在回答問題你聽到嗎後來又沒回答喔不然就沒問題我怎麼回答啊為什麼不去報告是人家怕你講真話是要講錯話嗎 |
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報告是完全照上面唸的啊他們的比較少啦 內容比較少啦我內容比較多啦我相信你應該 我在說的意思你應該很清楚對不對這怕要去 你要關心打棒球嘛我這用你認識的這個棒球的這個環境來跟你做解說嘛你應該聽得懂嘛 |
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對不對所以你本來要準備上場後來沒上場嘛我告訴你沒上場的原因第一個 我跟你講清楚跟民眾講嘛因為民眾希望你有積極的角色嘛重中之重嘛那一天你是被嚇瘋狂我的角色是回答記者他要問的問題那一天記者都沒有問我能夠回答的問題啊對啊 沒問到什麼經濟問題啊就是問那些比較...比較...那個... |
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所以不是被下風口令嘛也不是說怕你上去講錯話或者講了真話又戳破了一些謊言報告委員這一種基本假設的機率等於零我們行政院是一個團隊每個人誰應該扮演什麼角色是非常的清楚我那一天的角色就是回答記者的問題 |
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因為那個報告,我的次長上去報告結果那個報告,他可以報告我也可以報告 |
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但是我報告在回答問題 因為比較長所以我們稍微分工一下開了惡例啦 以後每個部委首長都叫次長上去報告這樣怎麼好啊報告跟結果有沒有差別 沒有差別問題是回答問題嘛我是在回答問題啦 結果沒有人問問題好啦 下次記者要記得請教那個部長問題要記得問啦 好不好 |
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好 那我們現在就是要很積極的現在我就問問題啦 你要好好答喔不要就躲起來 又跑到第二排去啦不會啊 因為現在現在第一排沒有人我們現在問第一排的問題 你不要閃躲現在 賴總統因為情色共啊要大舉的採購美國的天然氣嘛 對不對剛才講說盤點過啦我們天然氣大概要買多少目前我們所有天然氣 你知道嗎我們跟美國買的比例是多大 你知道嗎所有買的天然氣跟全世界各國多少錢啊 |
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才10%耶那你現在要提高到多少不是三成喔10%目前只有10%你現在盤點過了你現在要大概要買多少跟美國這次要大總統說要你大局去買要買多少 |
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我們現在就是目前這個確實是如你所說的我們目前跟美國買因為這個市場價格的問題啦成本的問題啦阿中來阿就是20%至30%啦所以要一倍到增加也不是說一倍啦就是說我們根據這個需求嘛阿我們因為這個有辦法為美國可以買現在對我們有一個優勢就是說我們為什麼過去沒有買美國那麼遠就是美國在我們太遠了啦 |
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但是現在這個新的條件是這樣阿拉斯卡 因為阿拉斯卡直接從上來到台灣十天而已 |
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而且不會經過中國的這個這個他們在那邊的這個這個什麼東海的地區啊什麼的所以對我們來講這個是非常好的選項部長你今天很好你知道第一線來講這個非常具體啊我們本來只有買天然氣在所有天然買天然氣的全世界各國只有10%現在大幅增加到20%到30%這個很重要另外更具體的你剛才說過 |
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我們已經跟這個阿拉斯加的這個天然氣公司已經簽了這個投資意向書嘛對不對對那天我特別問你那個金額光是說他說是用管線就要400億的美金嘛你說不只那個錢還包括什麼採購對不對那個要一起開採對不對 |
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發財可能要擴大嘛擴大一點這個部分我們是參與這個計畫啦這個計畫啊詳細的我不是那個那個單位啦你今天有參加嘛現在就是通常他的價位就是在那買衣服要買很多天然氣之外他這個開發計畫一共要花400億不管管線都開採嘛400億美金真的很大喔所以我們會負擔多少 |
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那個不是說這麼大的金額就如你所說這麼大的金額我們當然要審慎具體的評估啦然後我們投資是根據我們將來採購的量 |
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也有關係啦 因為你是高童 你是高童你的營養程度有多高對你買的價格就有差別啦我想這個委員應該是很清楚嘛 你是財經專家嘛你一定很了解我的投資跟我的報酬率這個是我們的關鍵啦所以這一部分我想委員應該是非常的清楚我們為了這幾天就可以確定說 |
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這個幾十年的慷慨不可能的事情媒體本來在報導說440億美金我們可能會佔一半這個是還沒有做過勾算的如果是這樣我可以跟你馬上回應這個問題啦絕對不會佔一半不會那麼多啦可是就是包括這個管線跟這個開採我們都會參加就對了 |
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我們是溝通嘛我們會講說我如果參與是股東然後股東可以買到什麼好的價格我的ROI到底是多少這個是非常重要的關鍵對我們來講對經濟部來講怎麼樣提出一個服務國利民的政策做投資這個是我們基本關鍵這跟委員報告這樣所以到時候財務報告要給大家好不好要勾算了不要丟了太多錢 |
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賠太多錢這個也不行啦我們現在是鼓勵要去投資啦另外一個 我覺得現在很重要的剛剛講天然氣你們想過這段時間我們要降低我們對美國這個逆差有一個很重要的 其實天然氣有啊就是核電喔 |
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美國連他們AIT的處長都直接跟我們講了他願意幫我們提供他們的技術跟服務對不對而且這個金額很大這方面又是安全的美國跟日本美國現在都大舉在用這個核電了嘛對不對那利用這個機會啊我們現在有發展核電第一就是叫他們的處長說的嘛 |
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鼓勵人說的啊鼓勵人說的疊疊重點他說核電是比較穩定的第二個它是便宜的對不對那這樣你就不用漲電價還可以降電價啊又可以第三個現在剛好要降低這個逆差你應該好好不要思考這個問題對所有的新的科技能源我們都會多方的評估那麼我想我們對這個您剛剛所說的這些可能的部分我們還是基本上的原則全國國人有共識然後核廢料可以處理 |
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那這個是安全的我想這三個條件之下我們不排除任何新的科技穩定這個 |
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電價又低 不只不用上還可以降可以降 第三個美國已經主動我們沒有排斥 報告委員我們沒有排斥第三個最重要 我們沒有排斥現在可以大幅的降低我們這個逆差我們的關稅就不用這麼高了這個比買很多天然氣都有用喔不然現在內委會考慮嘛對不對我們不反對任何新的科技的能源科技我們不會反對的我們會評估 您剛所指示的我們會評估我再問一個更具體的 |
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這幾天裡面有很多人在問你連電啊跟閣樓房的這個兩家要聯親的這個事情兩家要聯親我問的是非常直接的喔你要在第一線不要跑要跑到第二排去了有吹哨者啊直接來直接來這邊提供很重要的這個訊息他說經濟部啊有一個官員啊前官員才退休啊叫做廖衛軍 |
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他在促成這個事情,你認識這個人嗎?不認識你不認識廖慧君?我是去年520才加入這個經濟部的,所以這一位我不認識所以今年啊,崔少澤講說今年閣樓方德的高層有到台灣來三月份有來,你跟這個高層有見過面嗎?沒有 |
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確定沒有 沙偉當然沒有啦你想一下啊 我在這個地方可以在這個在這個國會我不會讓外面人說啊我就是沒有啊所以你跟那個跟這個閣樓方德任何的人沒有接觸沒有沒有ok好 那五月份馬上就到了嘛對不對是五月份馬上就到了是你會去參加這一場這個連電啊跟閣樓方德他們這個聯婚嗎報告委員傳說的東西啊 |
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這個是不確定的一個訊息你應該去問這個聯電有沒有這樣的一個訊息 |
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我們是經濟部基本上如果他們有意願他一定會送到我們的投資部那我們會經過我們的投審會那這個到目前為止我們有收到這樣的一個投資意向這是第一件事情第二個這個是傳聞傳聞不以置評傳聞不以置評三個五月份我會不會去美國到目前為止 |
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我們的行政院的這個整體的運作是動態的到目前為止我沒有收到這個訊息所以你本來5月份要去美國參加2025選擇美國投資高峰會這個行程可能有異動是不是這個不見得是有預定要去嘛對不對 |
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這個我們因為碰到這個關稅的問題國家會整體的考量那我想這個是動態的部分到目前為止我沒有收到訊息其實民眾想了解的是為什麼會關心聯電 |
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這是有沒有要去幫我們是二哥去幫二哥之前護國神山是大哥嘛對不對已經去幫了英特爾啦那這次我們的二哥會不會聯電變成美聯電這個是大家的問題委員我們如果要做這個所謂的這種投資啊策略的討論我們可以另外闢時間好不好我可以告訴你非常正確因為我以前在研究所教書就是教策略管理所以我可以告訴你真正的 |
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這個是不可能的事情部長 聯電這個事情就是三個這是三個嘛 民眾要知道就三個啦第一個會不會因為復國神山去了之後大哥去了之後 二哥又去那聯電去了有三個大的影響嘛就是你現在不是假設性的問題啊他如果真的去 你現在要了解的 |
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他規模很大 一個是傳言 我不予評論啦那你如果說我們要討論學術的研究我可以另外跟你討論啦所以我的意思就是說對傳言的部分 報告委員對傳言的部分不予評論 |
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那我五月份會不會去美國要等到這個行政院的指示因為這是動態的部長我說你不要跑到第二排去你第一排你要去面對問題連電的問題至少要面對三個問題第一點會不會連電跑去美國被美聯電的時候我們的半導體這個整個產業會不會受到什麼影響這第一點你是要評估的嘛你做經費部長你當然要回答這個問題啊第一點 |
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對我們的半導體的發展那個營業有到底影響有多大第三點人才啊去的一定帶一堆人去嘛你這三個評估好了以後你才能夠知道說這個事情要怎麼去應對嘛要不然的話你就永遠在第二排咧好不好至少做這三個這個評估啊好那五月份我們見真章看你有沒有去啦好不好不好意思我一條時間問請可以嗎好不好我簡單問一下請教一下國發會主委 |
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除以一段有提到說你們之前有做了這個評估最低可能是10%最高可以到35%那為什麼如果真的有做這個評估那你們會不會太樂觀行政院長怎麼叫我們安心稅啊完全沒有意想到可能有35% 32%嗎 |
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我們的版本有到32%在那天的記者會副院長有說得很清楚我們的版本最高到35%這個是如果你有去看當天的記者會如果32%你叫我們安心說這個行政院到底是在逃跑去是不是不只是無能問題啊32%整個台灣你看這個一個海嘯來 |
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他焦頭爛額 驚慌失措你們會預估到35 32 怎麼那時候沒有 怎麼可以叫我們安心稅目前沒有驚慌失措 那我們再往前推 再往前推行政院長叫我們安心稅的前面你看歐盟還有全世界多少國家 美國已經攀了幾堆我是建議你不要製造社會的恐慌當政府積極正面的在解決問題 我們也的確有方案在解決問題 |
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那其實您如果對這個方案有意見可以協助我們強化但是不應該一直鼓勵民眾要恐慌這是我認為一定要你如果處理得很好我們現在共護國內把他處理了當然就不會恐慌啊如果你認為把他處理得好你應該提出來叫大家安心睡民眾才會恐慌啊 |
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委員您是很知名的財經專家其實如果您也一起大家一起來共同努力我相信國家會更好我覺得很重要剛講天然氣這個採購採購這個方向你要整體去整體去盤整我剛講的我覺得現在最重要可以馬上降低那個逆差的其實就是核電了對不對 |
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大幅降低你關稅就可以降啊而且又電又穩定啊電價又可以不要漲回往下是不是要去爭取這個這才是我們這樣王牌啊我想經濟部剛才已經有對這件事有一個回應因為我不負責電廠的部分所以我們沒有辦法表達意見整體的國家發展對電力獎很重要而且這次你們老實講你們兩位都是重中之重我們談的好不好就看你出去王牌好不好 |
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對不對 你現在天然氣買了嘛 對不對我說你好好去考慮一下跟賴清德賴總統的建議而且你們去談的時候把核電廠放進去這絕對是一張好牌人民會幫你們國長的啦電 電穩定對不對電價又可以降 不要漲美國又主動開口利差又可以降低為什麼不做呢好不好這位老爹 好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝 |