| IVOD_ID |
159938 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159938 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-09T10:15:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-09T10:27:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/984603a5a250cdce3c9708701036590f79a8b3a3b5782fdd6e4b1f34053c89de7e16859af7a544885ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:16 - 10:27:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、數位發展部部長、教育部部長、大陸委員會主任委員、內政部移民署署長、國家安全局局長及國家人權委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「言論自由不在？界線誰說了算！國家介入特定政治言論之法律邊界」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 我們請教育部陸委會跟移民署好 麻煩三位上台好 首先 先恭喜 感謝這個我們陸委會 移民署你們最近幹的大事都是對的台灣人民都聽你們 |
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我們稍微仔細講講 哇 現在這陸委會叫移民署 這麼強的台灣人這麼強的處理台灣 叫中國的問題 兩個 先給你們感謝 |
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教育部次長,請問最近美國國務卿魯比歐外國核心要去美國討論要辦簽證,說要開始啟動社群言論的審查,你有沒有掌握這個訊息? |
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有看到報導 但是不清楚 詳細的資料你這樣沒人精 我早上睡就打了 你都沒人精看他們就通令他們在美國的各外館美國在各地的外館如果那些國家的核心要來美國註冊申請學生簽證要對他的這一些過去的一些主張啊只要危害到美國 應該是美國利益啦他就有一些心災啦所以我們台灣剛好在開始啟動這個事情 |
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這部分我們有涉及到國安或者是其他的那個陸委會或國安單位他們那邊會先審查會先審查對如果來申請要來做教育譬如教育文化交流的時候會先經過那邊來審查好那既然有審查那陸委會你們會怎麼審查 |
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如果委員講的是學生的部分學生的部分我們目前對學生的部分確實是沒有我們是對於來交流的學者或是教育界或是文化界的人士我們會review他的過去的言論跟一些立場包括有沒有矮化台灣的地位等等但是對學生的部分 |
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目前確實是沒有所以是入台症的部分就對了對就是短期來交流的對沒錯那學生沒有學生沒有那你認為學生該不該審查好這題太難了你回答他先看看謝謝委員提示我們會去適合這個問題第二個你們有沒有發現有職業學生職業學生過去確實有有喔過去確實有存在有發現沒有 |
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我發現,有查到,要請他們回去嗎?過去確實有這樣的例子要請他們回去嗎?只要我們有發現,都會請他們回去你們有發現嗎?過去有例子啦你講得很保守 |
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那接下來就說,不管是中國學生或外國學生都一樣,教育部有這些人就要申請學生簽證來台灣要在社群裡面,每天都要發,台灣是中國的一部分 |
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台灣是中國一部分,不然就像上次那些中國職業學生來台灣交流,是要罵那些基金會啊那些什麼中國台灣隊、中國台北隊,這種的這個核心啊,像這種的像這種的喔,理政委啦,或是你們對於研究看來像這種的喔,要申請來台灣讀書,過去不要來啦 |
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他的言論如果涉及矮化台灣有涉及到國安的問題我們也一樣會請外交或者是陸委會這邊來做一個審查說他們這樣的言論是否適宜來訪這部分是有一些管制的好 我說這事情會越來越嚴重會越來越嚴重他們一定會職業學生就訓練好才會來來這裡做統戰的第二 |
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市長 教育部市長 你知不知道去年 一整年 台灣的學生被推到中國交流的多少團 多少人 你知道嗎目前 詳細的資料他都有登錄啦 有一個登錄平台那那個詳細的資料 我這邊這事情多嚴重今天一個暑假 應該差不多兩百團有啦暑假喔 |
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台灣的阿新喔 希望大氣中 這樣統戰我們兩霸團喔來 梁副主委喔 來我們台灣的阿新去那裡交流啊 去那裡坐桌子 叫人吃飯 開花啦各式各樣的民意啦 人家要跟我們統戰 |
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我們有一個高雄立刻起身說 別吃了 我們回家 搞什麼東西我們是來讓你們統戰的 我們是來交流的 有人這樣嗎?沒有 我沒有聽過那都聽到之後才回來聽到之後 這個有高雄歡迎議會了嗎?沒有聽過沒有聽過 還繼續去對啊 |
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繼續去,我們陸委會都不歡迎我應該這樣講就是說中國各級台辦他都有KPI就是一年要花多少預算然後要拉台灣多少青年學生到他們的比如說湖北省或是上海或是什麼每一個地方他都有這樣的KPI要拉多少人去對,然後就到我們的高中大學嘛 |
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在台灣的高中大學那通常都不是透過校方而是透過學校裡面的某一個老師那個老師有嚴重喔 人家是要用社團 用學會還有那個老師直接大學開課對 總之我如果要做一段期的通識課沒有錯 要做一段期 去到那裡說教多少 讀多少 教多少教多少 啊 那就有那個台商出錢啦所以同學喔 那台商對我們很好所以你們基本也不用教那麼多啦有這種的對不對 |
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當然有啊 現在譬如說就是你只要出機票費 然後落地 時數 全包然後還有一些什麼阿這你都沒有管喔 這要用通來通去 你都沒有管這個我們是長期都有在注意那我們會 如果有必要的話我們就會動用兩岸關係條例33條之一的合作行為或是其他的如果有涉及幫中共發展組織的話 那個就是用反滲透法 |
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第三個 臺灣隊到冠軍 進入決賽 中國團 中國核心 自己這樣通知記者說就是他要說中國臺灣隊怎麼越來越高 那幾個 兩天可以來嗎 |
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我們都有對於相關人士的發言但我們會有註記註記意思就是說,當你想要再進來台灣的時候我們在審查的過程之中,我們就會把你過去的言行給考慮進去沒有啦,你就直接...那新聞就不可以再來,還要審查,還要這麼狠,還要審查中國本宮說明,我們一眾要吃豆腐,要去中國台灣隊黨是在中國台灣隊 |
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這個委員你放心,我們所謂的註記審查就是很嚴厲的審查好啦,我看你們都為了兩岸和諧,我知道啦,可是你們這次的手法怎麼也不錯啦好來,第三,我們現在要捏,這可能移民署齁,這中國人要捏中華民國的新聞情啦是現在有一些那些算是在倒空的,說什麼六年,該做四年啦是 |
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我們的政府現在有說喔 我們現在境外敵對勢力就一共而已 叫中國了結果他們可以捏新穩定的連線是最大的越南馬來西亞越久 他們的馬來西亞越南 什麼泰國 黑米我們的境外敵對勢力喔 他們要捏我們的新穩定 老實說境外敵對勢力要捏新穩定 現在最低因為你們是在爭取什麼 這是你們規定還是什麼規定 |
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事實上跟委員報告,由8年轉到6年,這個也都是經過那時候所有的一個修法,我們跟陸委會好,現在情勢變更 |
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什麼改六改四 改到十啦 改到四 改回去 改回去十世界各國要來台灣捏新婚情的 都比照我們的外匯業 境外敵對勢力 要捏我們的新婚情 最低電到頭照 這樣對不對 |
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你是不是在驚訝我們會跟陸委會 因為這是兩岸關係條例所規定的那我想委員的指導 我們會跟陸委會陸委會 |
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你過去要創一個最大的 中國人創最大的唯一境外敵對勢力 只有中華民國身份證是全世界所要來的只有中華民國身份證的外國人 期限最大的我應該跟委員報告一下就是說外國人他其實是四到八年實際上是四年到八年那大陸人是四年到六年 他們有四年嗎 |
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那實際上外國人不可能四年就拿到 不可能四年就拿到所以其實確實因為我們兩岸之間特殊的關係那從這個兩岸人民條例1992年到現在其實中間經過很多次的政黨輪替那很多的規定老實講就是在那個年代他有他的道理但是現在未必有道理最後我問一個問題要申請入台證 |
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申請來台一親的這種居留證要申請中華民國身份證這三個證有哪幾個他要宣誓效忠中華民國以陸配來說沒有以陸配來說都沒有中國人要來納中華民國身份證他要宣誓效忠中華民國 |
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沒有 目前的制度沒有這個部分我們有看到很多立委提出來要修法的工作所以我們覺得這個部分如果委員們的討論有取得共識我們也支持 |
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你要中華民國身份證,不免宣誓效忠中華民國先來說我是中國人,我國家是中華人民共和國我就是因為我拿中華民國身份證而已,我沒有認同你啦,我就是中國人啦中華人民共和國他就比較好人啦我沒有認同你中華民國,我就是要拿那張啦,這還不太好啊這你也比較主動的,我們這個立法院喔,一大堆在那裡倒空的喔,那些人都不會有這個行為 |
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國家要有台獨 國家要有台獨 台灣人在看是台獨美國這沒辦法 美國這大罷免 還要處理事情嘛啊 可是我們的政府要有台獨啊我們的政府這條 我說四年 八年 六年 最少啦你不要說境外敵對 最少你也叫各國的都一樣要全世界 台灣唯一的境外敵對勢力你要中華民國新聞局 你要最快 |
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現在還要逼四年 要修啊 你要四年還不用效忠中華民國好 謝謝委員提醒 這個部分我們會去做制度上的檢討好 加油啦 這次陸委會叫移民署表現得很好繼續加油 我要跟你們講一件事你們要緊表態 加油 臨時再回到我再問一遍好 謝謝 |
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那我們下一位請審發會委員發言 |