| IVOD_ID |
159905 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159905 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T12:06:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T12:17:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e5e4066a331b05fb5a5410e0cc1efc9f3076318e8f2386bd9875fbb8e6d82346ad5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐富癸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:06:59 - 12:17:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、交通部就「市區道路品質改善計畫執行效益與檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次議案係114年度內政部國土管理署及所屬「生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫(市區道路)」業務費預算解凍條件之檢討改善專案報告】） |
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謝謝主席我們有請劉部長跟吳署長劉部長吳署長有請部長好署長好部長我想過去您的這個政治資歷非常的豐富從地方到中央歷練過很多的職務但是我想您也感慨萬千尤其這個 |
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針對我們這一屆立委這個立法院很多的這個議案的審查甚至很多總預算的一個審查我想你有很多的感慨所以你之前也在開了一個記者會針對我們這個前瞻基礎建設的這個一些相關的規定預算的部分也提出一個看法 |
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那過去屏東縣我想我們在這個財力有限的狀況之下許多的這個生活圈道路還有市區道路的改善是必須仰賴中央來支持那請教一下部長目前這個前瞻基礎建設第五期的預算還沒有完成三讀程序那總共有439個案子卡住了那請教部長目前屏東縣有幾個案子 |
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部長這邊有了解嗎我先請署長講一下幾個案子好嗎好 那目前來講執行中的有37案那大概3.2億的經費 |
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那後續會不會因為總預算跟財發法的影響最主要前瞻如果沒有審查的話這些案子的後續經費大概就會停止但是問題現在目前看起來這個排審的時間也遙遙無期那針對這樣的狀況部長跟署長有沒有什麼樣的看法 |
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跟徐委員報告 徐委員當然對於這些前瞻的預算非常的關心那前瞻預算現在第五期確實到目前為止是遙遙無期所以我們現在國土署也非常的努力就是說原來已經跟縣政府講好的已經是一個既定的然後我們已經有核定的部分的話那我們就先走那其他的話就是縣政府先報上來我們再繼續做審核的工作 |
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那看看說前瞻預算有沒有可能可以比較有其他的方式來做比較好的溝通否則大概是沒辦法就是一直下去因為前瞻這是第五期了那再下來的就我所了解應該也沒有第六期的前瞻預算那這裡面還有可能一部分要回歸到是由中央政府或是地方政府的公務預算來支出那另外一個就是說我們也在考慮 |
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未來的財政收支劃分法如果有確定說是在立法院通過完全沒有其他的復議或是其他的爭議的話財政收支劃分法裡面可能有一部分的預算會要請縣市地方政府自行來負擔部長我想你非常清楚這個縣市政府的這個對於整個這個 |
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跟中央的一個權責是不一樣的那尤其過去很多這個事權的部分很多都是必須仰賴中央來支持但是你這樣打下去之後我想未來真的很多縣市即使有錢也沒辦法值錢而且這個錢確實也是不夠呢 部長報告委員 我沒打啦是可以用的我們人民黨跟民眾黨的立委這樣打下去之後這未來要怎麼接聽啊 |
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確實會有困難第一個現在的中央政府總預算再加上目前立法院還是要求行政院自己要處理636億要刪或者是動哪一個部會的預算那所有的部會包括我們在內政部所屬的部分除了租金補貼還有一些道路的部分然後還有其他衛福部長照有關或者是國防部所以你要刪哪個地方動哪個地方完全是沒有辦法處理 |
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所以立法院如果沒有跟行政院達成共識的話我們其實很難把114年的中央政府總預算好好的執行下去那如果參照以往的經驗所有的解凍的部分的話以往我們1月就提這個解凍案可是真正解凍書面而且是書面不是專案解凍完到真正可以執行都是到5月或6月 |
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現在已經是4月這個專案報告也好或是說立法院跟行政院還沒有達成共識說這個636億要如何處理的狀況之下尤其是像我們這個是部會裡面所牽涉到不管是下售到縣市地方政府或者是有些跨縣市的部分的話沒有人敢事先先用啦 |
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尤其是如果你要有招標程序因為我常常對外講就是我們有一些預算你是一筆的一筆10億20億如果你沒有辦法10億20億都給的話我們不可能事情做一半然後好像變成說只是做一下紙上作業沒有完全做很好的政策的評估的話會有困擾因為我們的時候審查的關係造成我們撥到地方政府的時候他們資訊率也要很大 |
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這是一環扣一環啊是啊是啊我又不能先去找啊也是一樣預算要這樣通過我想說我們還是大家一起來努力啦我們當然是尊重監督啦但是這個監督能夠好好的那個大家來溝通的話其實會比較好而不是說就砍頭式的這樣把預算弄掉的話對我們來講是非常大的困擾我想我要替我們屏東鄉親來發聲我們也不希望因為總預算卡關造成這個整個這個屏東的建設受到影響啦 |
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那我想最後一個針對這個我們人行環境的改善署長過去我想我們都支持這個交通便捷也贊成這個人行環境的改善但是目前還是有發生一些的百姓對這個改善後的狀況有雜音那尤其很多的這個商圈包含我們很多的這個原本鄉親這個交通使用的習慣 |
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因為改變之後他們都覺得到底這改是好還是不好包含我們有時候貨車要停車的空間也不見了消費者的車子也不曉得停到哪裡去這就這樣的一個亂象你們的街道醫生能夠發揮什麼樣的功能 |
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跟委員報告因為的確在地方政府在執行就會像剛剛委員所講的有時候他的因地制宜的時候他過度強調我就是要做出來我就是要做出來但是事實上像我們人行道跟騎樓也可以並濟來考慮也就是說當你再去考慮這個人行道的時候你跟騎樓之間的互動你到底要怎麼去處理而不是我一定 |
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當然有時候委員會建議說你盡可能做實體或做標線但是如果另外一個可能我跟騎樓之間的關係如果處理的好那我也不一定要弄到這樣就不會像委員所講的有時候要擴增出來之後很多停車駕駛不可以甚至下回停車駕駛不可以蘇理你看這個圖面上顯示的你看人行道圍出來 |
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車輛人車正道還是沒有改善啊我了解我的意思是說所以他在調的過程當中其實要多一點討論啦尤其跟地方地方民眾的一些討論這樣會比較妥適所以為什麼我們的計畫現在永續的部分不會要求他一定要當年做完因為過去前瞻的部分會需要但永續為什麼要可以讓他有一到兩年就是要多一些時間去溝通去調整 |
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那避免產生這種民眾不適應我在我們屏東好幾個路口是我發現我們的標誌 標線都做到100分可是我們問了很多人你知道這什麼意思嗎看不懂啦 會覺得啦所以有什麼需要溝通 那些東西需要溝通啊做到100分的標準難道不會有車禍發生嗎還是發生啊這是要怪政府還是要怪北省 |
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沒有 當然 我有我們的報告啦我剛才說的那個溝通 那個溝通包括說民眾的使用習慣尤其我們南部都是騎摩托車的習慣他有時候機車的習慣會跟行人的習慣本身就很容易衝突 |
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所以你今天要修正這樣的一個機制出來的時候政府在相關的宣導、觀念的功能上都還有很大的改進空是,所以我還是建議不要等到完工之後再來檢測再來檢測檢測檢測檢測檢測檢測檢測檢測檢測 |
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不才濟啦 又這個狀況啦我跟你講一下我們以前的經驗通常這麼大的路口要改善的話大概會經過縣政府的道安匯報那這個道安除了縣政府以外還有像交通警察或者是地方上的社區發展或者是這個里長一起來提供意見也就是說我們要改善這些路口上面的交通除了降低他的死亡死傷以外最重要是要能夠合用不是好看啦不是好看就好 漂亮漂亮這樣那這個不是我們要 |
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本來我贊成你的看法是我希望多溝通這個部分要做得對 但是在多溝通的過程當中就是變成要有人在那個地方講清楚大家可以各退縮一下那個我們也處理過像台北市的一樣那個有收到的人行照就大得不得了就兩三輛的貨車那麼寬可是他們就這樣做那就可以降低他們的市場對 部長所以我說的說明會要開說明會一定要開而且不是做交代的開法 |
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一定要能夠把偷人家但是道安會報在縣市政府希望能夠照開會比較好根據他的案件還是希望這個能夠在有時候在施工或是規劃的時候因為我們不希望說這個做好的時候是為了讓警察去開罰單我想不是這個意願不是一百分的人 |
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環境就能夠解決一些問題不是不是要能夠實用而且要合乎大家的日常生活譬如說我知道你講的部分譬如說圓環或者是剛好在做生意或是夜市那會有晨昏之間的這個交通的狀況需要處理那這個都大家要講清楚那地方上的人提供意見的話通常這個道路施工單位尤其是以國土署為主的都會尊重地方的意見對我們一起來努力謝謝 |